Ah, but you do Russ, the missing link is Gordon. Enos Neff Gordon had five children. One daughter married a Miller (my line) another married a Hargrave and a third married a Strong and her daughter married an Oliver. So you do tie in - I just don't know how but I believe you told me that Elizabeth Luella Gordon married Lucian Hargrave a grandson of HHH's who is your GGGrandfather. Dave Miller _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com