Has anyone used the foil method to read tombstones? I came across that term in an introduction to a list of cemetery inscriptions. It said many of the stones could only be read by using the foil method. I assume this involves making an impression of the stone onto the foil. Can anyone who has done this share the details? Thanks Ann

Linda, Thanks for the info........... I heard their copies of the Bellbrook Moon are a bit better than the Xenia library Steve

You're right. The cemetery I'm referring to is on Broad St., or SR 444. The main gate is directly across Broad from the Chrysler-Jeep dealership. I passed that cemetery about a zillion time diring the mid 60s traveling to and from work but never paid any attention to it then.

Nedra, Thanks for the info! The idea that John Franklin Pickering's surname got lost in a boyhood census or two, in that exact way, has been in the back of my mind for a long time. It didn't happen with his two elder siblings, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have happened with him. In fact, I've searched for him among Orndorff families, Orndorff being his late mother's maiden name, without success. That's why it was disconcerting to find his siblings in 1880 with families named Rudduck and Harrison - surnames that don't appear anywhere in our tree (that I know of). Maybe the wives were related to his mother or father - but no luck identifying that yet. He exacerbates the problem by going by his middle name (as an adult, at least - Dad and all his siblings never heard anyone call him John; they knew him as Grandpa Pick but remember that he went, outside the family, by Frank). In documents from censuses to city directories to his marriage license to a newspaper article, I've found him as John, Frank, John F., John Franklin, J.F. and even Franklin. Makes it that much harder, of course, to recognize him without his surname in 1880 - he could be ANY 4- or 5-year-old boy with ANY of those names. I've even, heeding something I read on another list, poked about for a John Franklin, on the possibility that someone misunderstood his middle name to be his last name. He, and his parents too, have been most difficult to work. Thanks again for your excellent input. Researching these 8 greats: Pickering-Snyder-Roach-Teegardin-Hodges-Evans-Kantner-Shifflet + these contributing Pickering/Snyder lines: Orndorff-Kinsey-Beall And, of course, many more! Peruse our entire GEDCOM at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=kpickering&I11.x=34&I11.y=8 ONWARD AND BACKWARD! Kurt Pickering, IBSSG La Vergne, TN _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Go straight south on Fairfield Rd. (wave to the right at me!) until it dead ends. Turn left and then right at first stop, continuing on this road until you come into the center of Bellbrook at a traffic light. Turn right - the Library is about a block ahead on the left. Do they have records that the Greene Room in Xenia doesn't have? The Beavercreek Library has nothing - I asked. Linda

Was there an area in Ill. that was like the Military area here in Ohio, that was a reward for serving in the a war - such as the War of 1812? And if they went for the grant, how long before they had to leave to benefit from it? And could it be willed to survivors?

About your 3-4 yr old great grandfather Pickering - I have lost children in that area of time in Greene Co. and found them with relatives. One was made a ward of a friend in Beavercreek Twp. even though her mother was remarried and living here. Another time almost everyone in the family was given the stepfathers name by the Census taker and I only found it by viewing the microfilm. Another time I found the younger brother and mother by looking for the older sister. If you call the assistant Archivists in the Records, Chris, here in Greene Co. he can direct you to the two orphanages that were in Xenia at the time. Also the Library has a book with the names listed of children of the Ohio Soldiers and Sailors Home. Good luck, but I would also look at the neighbors. They might have taken in the boy. Linda

Yes, the Wards did move to Warren Co, IL. I've found Joseph Pollock Ward in most of the censuses (including Kansas state censuses) for 1850-1900. My biggest brick-walls are finding the father of Enos, finding when and where Enos died and finally, finding when and where Joseph died. He was living with his son William in Coffey County, KS as of the 1900 census. Even though he had lived in Coffey County for most of the previous 25 years, he disappears after that. There is no record of his death there or in Lyon County, KS where his other son, Ambrose Jackson Ward was living. Anyway, I still hope to be able to link William Ward of Greene Co, OH to Enos. ~Suz In a message dated 6/27/2001 10:30:39 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << A good many of these people migrated to Warren Co., IL. Some due to the connection to Monmouth College and some possibly due to the land granted for service in the War of 1812. I do have some collateral connections to Pollocks, Bulls, and Wards. Joseph Pollock Ward left Ohio in 1853 for Warren Co., IL and is found in the 1860 Census of Warren County, Tompkins Tp., family # 1752, living near his parents Enos and Elizabeth.. Joseph, left in the Spring of 1864 for Emporia, KS. About 1890 Joseph resided in Woodson Co., KS >>

At 08:55 AM 6/27/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Question, Listers: > >If a widower had to put a child in an orphanage in the Greene County, OH, >area in the late 1870s, where would that orphange most likely be? The Greene County Infirmary housed old and young alike. My family had infants there, unwed mothers, and my great grandfather died there. The records are located in the Archives at Wright State University in Dayton. I would also suggest that you look around the neighborhood for him in 1880. Formal adoptions did not exist but often children were raised in the household of a married brother or sister, aunt/uncle, neighbor, cousin, etc. Picture the census taker who asked for the name and age of the head of household, answer John Brown, 40. Wife--similar answer. Any children living in the household? Oh sure, Johnny aged 8, Susie aged 5, Junior aged 1. The question may not have been asked if all the children had the same last name and it was obvious in many cases that the census taker assumed it was the same. Good luck, Nedra Nedra Dickman Brill, Certified Genealogist [email protected] Historian, Henckel Family National Association Coordinator Pendleton County, WV, [email protected] CG is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license after periodic evaluations by the Board. http://www.bcgcertification.org/

Gene, Not being familiar with Fairborn, other than Rt. 444, where is the mail gate?? Thanks for the info. about the one on Rt. 235 being the Cox Cemetery. While we do have COX family members way back in our TINGLEY family who married into the WILSON family, I doubt if they would be found there. I appreciate your answer. Betsy Earley > I think the cemetery you're referring to is right up in town by the mail gate > off Broad St.

I think the cemetery you're referring to is right up in town by the mail gate off Broad St. There's a party supply there next to the gate entrance and the cemetery is behind that store to the right of the gate. The cemetery on the base over off 235 is to Cox Cemetery and contains mostly ancestors of the Cox family which donated that part of the twin-base to the Air Force. Hope I helped. Gene Hollingsworth

Kurt, I have a list of all the 1880 Ohio Orphanages with the census volume and page that I'd be happy to send to anyone who wants it. It's Word table attachment. Email me privately please. Also, there was an Orphanage in Xenia (Greene County) at that time. There are some records at the Greene County Room (one of the best anywhere!) at the Library. I'll try to get there this week-end to look if I can. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tootsie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [OHGREENE-L] Orphanages > > Kurt, > Don't limit yourself to Greene County for orphanges though. My Aunts were born and > lived in Clark and went to Columbus, Franklin County orphange. I started looking > in Clark as it made sense. So discount sense, I guess. > Good luck. > Tootsie > > Kurt Pickering wrote: > > > Question, Listers: > > > > If a widower had to put a child in an orphanage in the Greene County, OH, > > area in the late 1870s, where would that orphange most likely be? > > > > My great-great grandfather Joseph F. Pickering was widowed in Missouri in > > 1877, when his children ranged in age from 10 months to 5 years. He moved > > back to Ohio, where his late wife was from and where it seems they both had > > family and friends. Joseph is in the 1880 census in Caesor Creek Township > > as a single blacksmith; the two older children, Margaret and Charles, are in > > it in other households. > > > > But I can't find hide nor hair of my great grandfather, John Franklin > > Pickering, then 3 or 4. He comes of age in the area, marrying a Warren > > County girl on a Greene County lincense in 1898 and appearing in censuses in > > Greene County, OH, in 1900 and 1910 and in Montgomery County in 1920. > > > > I'm wondering if, since he was still an infant when his mother died, he > > ended up in an orphanage. God forbid it was back in Missouri (no offense, > > Show-Me State, just trying to search manageable parameters), but assuming he > > came east with his brother, sister and father where might he have been? > > Dayton? > > > > Researching these 8 greats: > > Pickering-Snyder-Roach-Teegardin-Hodges-Evans-Kantner-Shifflet > > + these contributing Pickering/Snyder lines: > > Orndorff-Kinsey-Beall > > And, of course, many more! > > > > Peruse our entire GEDCOM at > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=kpickering&I11.x=34&I11. y=8 > > > > ONWARD AND BACKWARD! > > Kurt Pickering, IBSSG > > La Vergne, TN > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Hi All Can anyone tell me where the Bellbrook Library is and how to get there... ummm Let's say from Rte 35 and N. Fairfield Rd. Thanks, Steve

Hi All. Well I got lucky with the last Cemetery question... maybe I can do as well with this one I'm looking for Stephen Campbell he died in 1926 and is said to be buried in Fairfield cemetery does anyone have anything on him, Thanks, Steve

Louise, That's them thanks a bunch i'll have to stop by next time I'm in the area. Thanks again, Steve

Someone expressed the theory that Juliann HAUGHEY is the daughter of John HAUGHEY and Patience (STURDYVAN) HAUGHEY. Do you know anymore about Patience Sturdyvan? For years I have tried to track the family Sturdyvan/ Sturdivant. There is a Nancy Sturdivant (born ca 1810)who lived off and on with members of the Culberson clan on the Fayette/Clinton County border. And one census seems to indicate that she was the sister of Priscilla Stewart Culberson. In 1850 Violet Studivant (age 13 ) lived near George and Priscilla Stewart Culberson, Isaac Studivant lived with John M. Mahan, at age 5, also near George and Priscilla Stewart Culberson. John Culberson

Kurt, Don't limit yourself to Greene County for orphanges though. My Aunts were born and lived in Clark and went to Columbus, Franklin County orphange. I started looking in Clark as it made sense. So discount sense, I guess. Good luck. Tootsie Kurt Pickering wrote: > Question, Listers: > > If a widower had to put a child in an orphanage in the Greene County, OH, > area in the late 1870s, where would that orphange most likely be? > > My great-great grandfather Joseph F. Pickering was widowed in Missouri in > 1877, when his children ranged in age from 10 months to 5 years. He moved > back to Ohio, where his late wife was from and where it seems they both had > family and friends. Joseph is in the 1880 census in Caesor Creek Township > as a single blacksmith; the two older children, Margaret and Charles, are in > it in other households. > > But I can't find hide nor hair of my great grandfather, John Franklin > Pickering, then 3 or 4. He comes of age in the area, marrying a Warren > County girl on a Greene County lincense in 1898 and appearing in censuses in > Greene County, OH, in 1900 and 1910 and in Montgomery County in 1920. > > I'm wondering if, since he was still an infant when his mother died, he > ended up in an orphanage. God forbid it was back in Missouri (no offense, > Show-Me State, just trying to search manageable parameters), but assuming he > came east with his brother, sister and father where might he have been? > Dayton? > > Researching these 8 greats: > Pickering-Snyder-Roach-Teegardin-Hodges-Evans-Kantner-Shifflet > + these contributing Pickering/Snyder lines: > Orndorff-Kinsey-Beall > And, of course, many more! > > Peruse our entire GEDCOM at > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=kpickering&I11.x=34&I11.y=8 > > ONWARD AND BACKWARD! > Kurt Pickering, IBSSG > La Vergne, TN > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

A good many of these people migrated to Warren Co., IL. Some due to the connection to Monmouth College and some possibly due to the land granted for service in the War of 1812. I do have some collateral connections to Pollocks, Bulls, and Wards. Joseph Pollock Ward left Ohio in 1853 for Warren Co., IL and is found in the 1860 Census of Warren County, Tompkins Tp., family # 1752, living near his parents Enos and Elizabeth.. Joseph, left in the Spring of 1864 for Emporia, KS. About 1890 Joseph resided in Woodson Co., KS ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: [OHGREENE-L] Enos Ward > I am looking for information about the parents of Enos WARD. He was born > about 1802 in KY; he married Elizabeth POLLOCK Dec 28, 1825, in Greene Co, OH > [There was an earlier marriage of Enos WARD and Betsy BULL in Greene Co. It > seems likely that it is the same Enos WARD, with the assumption that Betsy > BULL had died soon after the marriage.] > > Enos and Elizabeth (POLLOCK) WARD had the following children: > Andrew WARD, b: 1827 > Joseph Pollock WARD, b: 1828 > Charles N WARD, b: 1831 > Elizabeth WARD, b: 1836 > William WARD, b: 1840 > > It is likely that Andrew and Joseph were born in Greene Co before the family > moved to Logan Co, OH. Joseph Pollock WARD married Emeline LOUGHEAD July 11, > 1850 in Logan Co and was living in his father Enos' household in Logan Co as > of the 1850 census. > > I have a hunch that I may have found Enos WARD's father. There is a William > WARD in the 1820 Greene Co, OH census in Xenia Twp. William is in the 45 and > up age range with a male in the household in the right age range for Enos. > Living nearby are families who connect with the WARD family: John POLLOCK > (Elizabeth POLLOCK's father), William LAUGHEAD/LOUGHEAD (Emeline LOUGHEAD's > father), David LAUGHEAD/LOUGHEAD (William's father). Other nearby families > with connections are those of MITCHELL, JACKSON and BULL. > > William WARD is also listed in the 1830 Greene Co, OH census and is shown as > being in the 60-70 age range, which would make his year of birth approx. 1760 > to 1770. Enos is not listed and may have moved to Logan Co by this time. > > I would appreciate any information about this family, particularly anything > that would help prove or disprove that William WARD was the father of Enos. > > Thanks, > > ~Suz > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Question, Listers: If a widower had to put a child in an orphanage in the Greene County, OH, area in the late 1870s, where would that orphange most likely be? My great-great grandfather Joseph F. Pickering was widowed in Missouri in 1877, when his children ranged in age from 10 months to 5 years. He moved back to Ohio, where his late wife was from and where it seems they both had family and friends. Joseph is in the 1880 census in Caesor Creek Township as a single blacksmith; the two older children, Margaret and Charles, are in it in other households. But I can't find hide nor hair of my great grandfather, John Franklin Pickering, then 3 or 4. He comes of age in the area, marrying a Warren County girl on a Greene County lincense in 1898 and appearing in censuses in Greene County, OH, in 1900 and 1910 and in Montgomery County in 1920. I'm wondering if, since he was still an infant when his mother died, he ended up in an orphanage. God forbid it was back in Missouri (no offense, Show-Me State, just trying to search manageable parameters), but assuming he came east with his brother, sister and father where might he have been? Dayton? Researching these 8 greats: Pickering-Snyder-Roach-Teegardin-Hodges-Evans-Kantner-Shifflet + these contributing Pickering/Snyder lines: Orndorff-Kinsey-Beall And, of course, many more! Peruse our entire GEDCOM at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=kpickering&I11.x=34&I11.y=8 ONWARD AND BACKWARD! Kurt Pickering, IBSSG La Vergne, TN _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Does anyone with a book with cemetery's listings have a E.B.Martin or Rachel Warren? Tootsie