It is so interesting to know there is such a thing as DUV, for, here in Florida we only hear of UDC. It is the same-you may have a collateral Confederate ancestor. In my case, my Gallia born James Madison Gates and all of his brothers, were Union Veterans. He was in the 4th WV. He went to Kanawha Court House where he married Virginia Rand, whose father, Christopher Columbus Rand, was born 1800 in Rutland, VT, came down to Hocking Valley and then were prominent in salt manufacture at Kanawha Salines. Rand, WV was named for them. I'd like to know even more about the Rands' stay in Hocking Valley if anyone can help me. Christopher Columbus Rand married Nancy Mc Arthur PINES, who was born in Louisville, KY, when it must have also been a wild and wooly place! I know absolutely NOTHING about her ancestry. Everyone on this list was so nice to help me with Moses GATES and Harriet BALTZEL, for which I'm truly grateful. Please let me know if anyone knows about this foremother. The Rand family, the Ruffners, and so many others in the salt cartel, were sympathizers of the secession of Virginia from the Union and the formation of the Confederate States of America. They were against Federalism. Virginia's brother, Henry W. Rand, was an officer in the 22nd Virginia, Kanawha Riflemen, as was his first cousin, Noyes Burlew Rand. They were under Colonel Pa tton and were captured at the second Battle of Winchester. They were taken to POW camp at Fort Delaware, DE, and chained facing a wall until Lee's surrender at Appomatox. It seems odd to my mind that Virginia's father allowed her to marry James Madison Gates, a Union soldier, during that time. Henry and Noyes WALKED all the way back to what is now Charleston from Delaware. I wonder what they thought when they met James Madison Gates, their sister's husband! What kind of conversations ensued around the dinner tables when the families got together after church on Sundays? Was everyone careful of what to say or did they rehash it? Stories like this are repeated in my ancestry, many times. I never knew any of them until I began to do genealogy and found records, then talked to old relatives. The wounds from the War Between the States, went very deep, and some were never healed completely. There are families right now today in the mountains of West Virginia who don't like each other, because of the War's brother against brother aspect, which was much stronger in the border regions than in the far north and the deep south, where loyalties were pretty much undivided. Some of them don't even know why "you never trust a _______" (fill in the name of the family). Knowing that the great grandchildren, great-great grandchildren and great-great-great grandchildren of these brave men on both sides are free to join BOTH organizations such as DUV and UDC, as I am, because of my ancestry, is a good thing, isn't it? We can see the passions of both sides and know that war truly IS hell. Sharon Lee Gates Apopka, FL