You may be right Charlie. Its a fine line, one that I would trip over very fast. I believe that our tax dollars pay to have these events recorded therefore we have the right to copy when ever and wherever we chose as long as it is for our own personal use. It is when the money grubbers get into the picture that fouls things up. I do not want to start a big discussion on Copy Right since it has been gone over and over so I will not respond to this subject again. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Hazlett" <charlie@hazlett.net> To: <OHGALLIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [OHGALLIA-L] Files Missing > > But.....while the film format might be copyrighted, the information is > not, and a copy of a copy of a birth certificate, for instance, is > certainly not protected. > > On 3/30/2005, "carle" <carle@enter.net> wrote: > >>Well Charlie this falls once again into the copy right issues. The Church >>filmed this. That changes the format from book to film giving the church >>copy right to all the materials filmed. They also have to abide by the >>agreement with the holder of these books that they made, some holders of >>the >>material do not want it published. Many places will not give their >>permission to film the records. >> >>Carl >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Charlie Hazlett" <charlie@hazlett.net> >>To: <OHGALLIA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:44 PM >>Subject: Re: [OHGALLIA-L] Files Missing >> >> >>> >>> Well, in that instance, making copies of something and then offering to >>> sell, I have no problem with it at all. >>> >>> No harm is done and some researcher might have some information he would >>> not have otherwise............ >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/29/2005, "carle" <carle@enter.net> wrote: >>> >>>>We had a similar situation last year at the LDS family History Library. >>>>A >>>>fellow would order films and copy them as they came in. Now nobody has >>>>ancestors with that much information on a film. He would take them to >>>>his >>>>place of business and proceed to copy the pages he made and offer them >>>>for >>>>sale on E-Bay, his business was Printer. He was confronted after they >>>>found >>>>out he was selling on E-Bay and banned from the library. The library >>>>also >>>>put a limit on how much you can print at one time. >>>> >>>>Carl >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Tom Griesan" <griesantomjean@msn.com> >>>>To: <OHGALLIA-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:37 PM >>>>Subject: RE: [OHGALLIA-L] Files Missing >>>> >>>> >>>>>I wonder if the seller could be prosecuted... Just a thought. >>>>> - Jean >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Connie Hitchings [mailto:conniehitchings@worldnet.att.net] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:14 PM >>>>> To: OHGALLIA-L@rootsweb.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [OHGALLIA-L] Files Missing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was told that some people have started to steal these kind of items >>>>> to >>>>> sell on E Bay! This is happening all over the country. Everything >>>>> had >>>>> better be copied as soon as you get it in your hands. There is no >>>>> guarantee >>>>> >>>>> that it will still be there the next trip back. Connie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I might relate an incident that I know about. While researching >>>>>>court >>>>>>house files for the middle 1800's, we found the Will of an ancestor >>>>>>who died in 1863. We made a copy of the paper and returned it to the >>>>>>case file. A few years later I wanted to again inspect the paper as >>>>>>the handwriting was blurred on the copy we'd made earlier. But I >>>>>>could >>>>>>not find the original document! I know it was there as we'd >>>>>>personally read it, copied it and returned it to the file jacket. >>>>>>(#1 >>>>>>file jacket for the County containing the earliest records). >>>>>> >>>>>> After our court house visit we had to return to our home a few states >>>>>> away. I received an inquiry from someone who said they were also >>>>>> researching the same family name and she sent a 3 x 5" card with >>>>>> documentation about the family, asking that I return it to her after >>>>>> we read it. She named all the children of the deceased even to the >>>>>> misspelling of the names which appeared on the Will. I recognized >>>>>> the >>>>>> card as one very similar to the ones filed in the genealogy society >>>>>> in >>>>>> the town where our ancestor died. I made a copy of the original card >>>>>> and returned it to the sender, but on our next trip to the genealogy >>>>>> library I asked the librarian about the card and showed her the copy >>>>>> of one we'd made. She told me it had been in their files.....that >>>>>> theirs turned up missing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I cannot prove my assumptions but I feel certain the same person not >>>>>> only took possession of the original Will from the court house but >>>>>> also the genealogy society's card file. It angered me to think >>>>>> people >>>>>> would do such a thing but I've heard it became a common practice and >>>>>> many court houses and libraries have had to restrict access to a lot >>>>>> of their records. One lady in the county clerk's office in Kentucky >>>>>> showed me a large old book of early marriages she had to keep in her >>>>>> desk drawer just because several people had tried to smuggle it out >>>>>> of >>>>>> the court house! >>>>>> >>>>>> No doubt many of the old records have disappeared taken by selfish >>>>>> people which has deprived us of valuable information. Even pages >>>>>> from >>>>>> books have been cut out. >>>>>> >>>>>> juanita >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> As you all know, I do alot of lookups for people, especially those >>>>>>> who have become really good email buddies, and you know who you are. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Last night I was at the library doing my thing. I wanted to look >>>>>>> something up in the Anne Simmerman files. Now for those of you who >>>>>>> are not familiar with this I will explain. Anne Simmerman was a >>>>>>> genealogist and did an awful lot of it for other people. I don't >>>>>>> think that the dear lady every threw anything away, and any paper >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> fair game for writing on. She also wrote a column in the daily >>>>>>> newspaper on Patriot, an area of great importance to alot of people, >>>>>>> in Perry Township. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Back to my story, I have been for a very long time trying to help >>>>>>> people researching the Carters,Ripleys, Allisons and Prose. I >>>>>>> wanted >>>>>>> something out of the Allison file. Well they are gone along with the >>>>>>> Ripleys, Prose and Carters that have been missing , one by one, >>>>>>> since >>>>>>> last summer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, like I said these files are on all sorts of families, and have >>>>>>> been added to along the years after they were given to the Bossard >>>>>>> Library.This collection is housed in a four drawer cabinet. I have >>>>>>> used them, lots of people have used them. Now these files that were >>>>>>> very informational are gone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't believe that someone would take these files on purpose but >>>>>>> they are gone , one whole set of a intermingled family ... Why would >>>>>>> someone take files when there is a copier in the next room? They >>>>>>> were old and fragile but yet useable. Valuable information >>>>>>> collected >>>>>>> from reliable sources, people who remembered because they were there >>>>>>> when it happened. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just wish who ever took them would bring them back. It would >>>>>>> please uncountless people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just had to get that off my chest. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheryl >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== >>>>> For those of you on Digest mode, please don't quote the entire digest >>>>> when >>>>> replying. Also, check your subject line; making it meaningful will >>>>> increase >>>>> your chances of being read. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== >>>>> Please keep your topic related to genealogical research >>>>> in Gallia County, Ohio. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== >>>>For those of you on Digest mode, please don't quote the entire digest >>>>when >>>>replying. Also, check your subject line; making it meaningful will >>>>increase your chances of being read. >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== >>> Check the address you are replying to before sending your message. >>> >> >> >>==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== >>Check the address you are replying to before sending your message. >> > > > ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== > For those of you on Digest mode, please don't quote the entire digest when > replying. Also, check your subject line; making it meaningful will > increase your chances of being read. >