Debra, As I sent to Sheri Culler, The real group is and has always been The Gallia County Historical and Genealogical Society, 412 Second Ave. Gallipolis, Ohio (740) 446-7200. Robin Fife ----- Original Message ----- From: <McNab2000@aol.com> To: <OHGALLIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: [OHGALLIA-L] Clarification > Sheri wrote: > Will the real Gallia County Genealogy Society please stand up? > > After reading the message regarding the Genealogy Society, I am > wondering which one I actually belong to. I had been receiving a > newsletter via postal mail called "The Gallia County Glade". Am I right > in assuming it is published by the Historical/Genealogy Society and not > the one sponsering the "help event" at the Bossard Library? > > I had also received a letter a couple months ago or so regarding this > same topic, but I'm still unsure what is going on. Who is this other > Gallia County Gen. Society? > > Thanks for clarification. > > Sheri > > Yes, I don't belong to either (yet) but I'm a tad confused as well. > > Debra > > > > > ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== > If you want to unsubscribe to the list, send an email to OHGALLIA-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe in the text of the email. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

Sherri, The real group is and always has been "The Gallia County Historical and Gnealogical Society, 412 Second Avenue, Gallipolis, Ohio 45631 (740) 446-7200. Robin Fife ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheri Culler" <slculler@earthlink.net> To: <OHGALLIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: [OHGALLIA-L] OGS Chapter > Will the real Gallia County Genealogy Society please stand up? > > After reading the message regarding the Genealogy Society, I am > wondering which one I actually belong to. I had been receiving a > newsletter via postal mail called "The Gallia County Glade". Am I right > in assuming it is published by the Historical/Genealogy Society and not > the one sponsering the "help event" at the Bossard Library? > > I had also received a letter a couple months ago or so regarding this > same topic, but I'm still unsure what is going on. Who is this other > Gallia County Gen. Society? > > Thanks for clarification. > > Sheri > > > ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== > Please keep your topic related to genealogical research > in Gallia County, Ohio. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

Joanne, You are welcome. Mary Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jokagal@aol.com> To: <OHGALLIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [OHGALLIA-L] James McCall > Thanks,Mary Lee. > > > Joanne Galvin > > Researching Northup, Hampton, McCall, Phelps, Blake, Daggett, Syler, > Berrridge,Plymale, Baker, Kinder, Cottrell > > > ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== > If you want to unsubscribe to the list, send an email to > OHGALLIA-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe in the text of > the email. >

Sheri wrote: Will the real Gallia County Genealogy Society please stand up? After reading the message regarding the Genealogy Society, I am wondering which one I actually belong to. I had been receiving a newsletter via postal mail called "The Gallia County Glade". Am I right in assuming it is published by the Historical/Genealogy Society and not the one sponsering the "help event" at the Bossard Library? I had also received a letter a couple months ago or so regarding this same topic, but I'm still unsure what is going on. Who is this other Gallia County Gen. Society? Thanks for clarification. Sheri Yes, I don't belong to either (yet) but I'm a tad confused as well. Debra

Will the real Gallia County Genealogy Society please stand up? After reading the message regarding the Genealogy Society, I am wondering which one I actually belong to. I had been receiving a newsletter via postal mail called "The Gallia County Glade". Am I right in assuming it is published by the Historical/Genealogy Society and not the one sponsering the "help event" at the Bossard Library? I had also received a letter a couple months ago or so regarding this same topic, but I'm still unsure what is going on. Who is this other Gallia County Gen. Society? Thanks for clarification. Sheri

Would be interested to know what Baker you are realted to. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jokagal@aol.com> To: <OHGALLIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [OHGALLIA-L] Northrup > Vernon Northup was born in 1781, probably in VA. He moved with his > family from Virginia to Ohio about 1795 when he was about age 14. Vernon married > Elizabeth Ewing on December 24, 1812 in Gallia Co., OH, and they had at least > 2 daughters, born in 1814 & 1815, and another child (sex unknown) who died > at age 50 hours. All are buried in the Rose Cemetery, Green Twp., Gallia Co., > OH. In the Gallia County Chancery Records on Nov. 21, 1849 the following > court case was discussed: ELIZABETH NORTHUP VS. VERNON NORTHUP AND OTHERS, > Alimony. Elizabeth said they were married about 36 years ago and have amassed 300 > acres and a brick house. Vernon left in 1838, wandered about Tennessee and > Illinois, leaving behind debts and judgment which Elizabeth and a son, now > deceased, paid off. Vernon came back, arranged sale of property to menagers > (managers?) and left for Illinois. Said to be out of his right mind. Vernon admits > marrying Elizabeth and said he lived a dog's life every since. Came home in > 1841, stayed as long as he could stand it. Went to Quincy, Ill. hear where > his brother, Henry L. Northup lived, to find a place. Came back has been living > at home at Elizabeth's request. Avers he's sane, although has suffered > enough to make a wise man mad. Dismissed. Vernon Northup died on March 10, 1850, > probably in Gallia Co., OH. I'm not sure who the Henry above is - there is a > Henry L. Northup living in Quincy, Adams Co., IL in 1850, but he is only 37 so > was not Vernon's older brother Henry Northup. > _Notes for Vernon Northup_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knorthup/Webpage2/Max/Northup/Note s/VernonNorthup.htm) Hampton Northup Hampton E. > Northup was born on > I took that information from Kari Northup's web site > > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knorthup/_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knorthup/) > > I can do some research later and come up with the name of the son who helped > Elizabeth pay off Vernon's debts. Other info that I have seen indicates he > ,Vernon, died without heirs. > > Vernon was one of the six children of Daniel and Anna Hampton Collins > Northup. I am a direct descendant of Daniel and two of his children, Eliz. Jane > and Thomas. > > Joanne Galvin > > Joanne Galvin > > Researching Northup, Hampton, McCall, Phelps, Blake, Daggett, Syler, > Berrridge,Plymale, Baker, Kinder, Cottrell > > > > ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== > Please keep your topic related to genealogical research > in Gallia County, Ohio. > >

Vernon Northup was born in 1781, probably in VA. He moved with his family from Virginia to Ohio about 1795 when he was about age 14. Vernon married Elizabeth Ewing on December 24, 1812 in Gallia Co., OH, and they had at least 2 daughters, born in 1814 & 1815, and another child (sex unknown) who died at age 50 hours. All are buried in the Rose Cemetery, Green Twp., Gallia Co., OH. In the Gallia County Chancery Records on Nov. 21, 1849 the following court case was discussed: ELIZABETH NORTHUP VS. VERNON NORTHUP AND OTHERS, Alimony. Elizabeth said they were married about 36 years ago and have amassed 300 acres and a brick house. Vernon left in 1838, wandered about Tennessee and Illinois, leaving behind debts and judgment which Elizabeth and a son, now deceased, paid off. Vernon came back, arranged sale of property to menagers (managers?) and left for Illinois. Said to be out of his right mind. Vernon admits marrying Elizabeth and said he lived a dog's life every since. Came home in 1841, stayed as long as he could stand it. Went to Quincy, Ill. hear where his brother, Henry L. Northup lived, to find a place. Came back has been living at home at Elizabeth's request. Avers he's sane, although has suffered enough to make a wise man mad. Dismissed. Vernon Northup died on March 10, 1850, probably in Gallia Co., OH. I'm not sure who the Henry above is - there is a Henry L. Northup living in Quincy, Adams Co., IL in 1850, but he is only 37 so was not Vernon's older brother Henry Northup. _Notes for Vernon Northup_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knorthup/Webpage2/Max/Northup/Notes/VernonNorthup.htm) Hampton Northup Hampton E. Northup was born on I took that information from Kari Northup's web site _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knorthup/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knorthup/) I can do some research later and come up with the name of the son who helped Elizabeth pay off Vernon's debts. Other info that I have seen indicates he ,Vernon, died without heirs. Vernon was one of the six children of Daniel and Anna Hampton Collins Northup. I am a direct descendant of Daniel and two of his children, Eliz. Jane and Thomas. Joanne Galvin Joanne Galvin Researching Northup, Hampton, McCall, Phelps, Blake, Daggett, Syler, Berrridge,Plymale, Baker, Kinder, Cottrell

Well, while I do appreciate the posting of the newspaper articles I still think it rather silly to put that copyright notice on any of it... Just my opinion, either share or don't.......but don't threaten me while you do. On 3/9/2005, "Ruddiger" <ruddiger@indy.rr.com> wrote: >At the risk of backlash..... > >I suggest it inaccurate to say this list "does not appreciate others' >work". None of us would be anywhere in our research without the help of >others and we know it. We all are aware of the time and work involved >in researching history. It seems to me that searching newspapers is more >time consuming than just about anything else. > >I haven't been here as long as many others and I don't pretend to speak >for anyone else, but I haven't seen a disclaimer worded quite so >strictly. Honestly, it puzzled me, and it apparently raised the interest >of many here. Obviously it cultivated an interest in copyright law. > >I wouldn't take any of that personally, Joyce. A healthy discussion of >copyright law leads to better understanding. Better information, better >understanding. While perhaps no one fully understands copyright law, >this can only help people respect the rights of others and protect those >who do the work. I don't know anyone here who would intentionally steal >another's work, but I suggest this discussion has helped minimize the >"honest mistakes" of copyright infringement. > >------- > >Anyway, my thought on this.... I would think it to be tenuous to claim >a copyright over an email sent to a listserve. A 'thing' is copyrighted >as soon as you write it but it be that it has to be meant as a work of >art, or writing, or whatever [in this case, a compilation]. > >Seems to me that this was Joyce's intent. Copyright claims on emails to >a listserve may be tenuous, but that Joyce meant/intended her series of >emails to be a compilation seems obvious. > >Robert >Indianapolis > > > > >JAR422@aol.com wrote: > >> >>The copyright warning that I put on the top of the posts of "old" newspaper >>articles is just to protect my time, work, and name of my postings. It is >>NOT the material I post nor will it ever be. I suggest that people on this >>list subscribe to an "old" newspaper site for perusal of the articles since this >>list does not appreciate others work. >>Joyce Robinson >> >> >>In a message dated 3/9/2005 11:00:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>jandmbug@juno.com writes: >> >>It is nice to know about the Federal Laws and what it means for the authors >>of the books that they work so hard to publish. >>Marian >> >> >> >> >> >>==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== >>Check the address you are replying to before sending your message. >> >> >> >> > > >==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== >Please keep your topic related to genealogical research >in Gallia County, Ohio. >

My only Northrup connection is shown below. I am interested in any information on descendents resulting from this marriage. Thanks, Gerald (Jerry) Deckard Summary of Vernon NORTHRUP - 9 Mar 2005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Vernon NORTHRUP Sex: Male Individual Facts Marriages/Children 1. Elizabeth EWING Marriage 28 Dec 1812 , Gallia, OH1

At the risk of backlash..... I suggest it inaccurate to say this list "does not appreciate others' work". None of us would be anywhere in our research without the help of others and we know it. We all are aware of the time and work involved in researching history. It seems to me that searching newspapers is more time consuming than just about anything else. I haven't been here as long as many others and I don't pretend to speak for anyone else, but I haven't seen a disclaimer worded quite so strictly. Honestly, it puzzled me, and it apparently raised the interest of many here. Obviously it cultivated an interest in copyright law. I wouldn't take any of that personally, Joyce. A healthy discussion of copyright law leads to better understanding. Better information, better understanding. While perhaps no one fully understands copyright law, this can only help people respect the rights of others and protect those who do the work. I don't know anyone here who would intentionally steal another's work, but I suggest this discussion has helped minimize the "honest mistakes" of copyright infringement. ------- Anyway, my thought on this.... I would think it to be tenuous to claim a copyright over an email sent to a listserve. A 'thing' is copyrighted as soon as you write it but it be that it has to be meant as a work of art, or writing, or whatever [in this case, a compilation]. Seems to me that this was Joyce's intent. Copyright claims on emails to a listserve may be tenuous, but that Joyce meant/intended her series of emails to be a compilation seems obvious. Robert Indianapolis JAR422@aol.com wrote: > >The copyright warning that I put on the top of the posts of "old" newspaper >articles is just to protect my time, work, and name of my postings. It is >NOT the material I post nor will it ever be. I suggest that people on this >list subscribe to an "old" newspaper site for perusal of the articles since this >list does not appreciate others work. >Joyce Robinson > > >In a message dated 3/9/2005 11:00:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >jandmbug@juno.com writes: > >It is nice to know about the Federal Laws and what it means for the authors >of the books that they work so hard to publish. >Marian > > > > > >==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== >Check the address you are replying to before sending your message. > > > >

The Gallia County Historical and Genealogical Society also known as The Gallia County Historical Society and The Gallia County Genealogical Society has NO association, affliation and has NO responsiblity for actions taken by the group calling themselves the Gallia County Genealogical Society, OGS Chapter, INC. Genealogical Help Event On Sat., March 19th from 9 to noon a morning of helping with your genealogical research has been scheduled at Bossard Memorial Library, 7 Spruce St., Gallipolis. Workstations will set up around the Switzer Room where we will have helpers to assist with First Families of Gallia County, Civil War Societies of Gallia County, DAR and SUV. We also will have on hand reps from Lawrence County and KYOWVA to display their books and to talk with you about their area. Bossard Library staff will also be helping by having a workshop in the McIntyre Room demonstrating how to use Ancestry and Heritage Quest online. Light refreshments will be served. No charge!!! Plenty of help, applications available. Books for sale. Please join us. Sponsored by the Gallia County Genealogical Society, O.G.S. Chapter, Inc. ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== Check the address you are replying to before sending your message. --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

Do we have to go on and on and on and on about these copyright issues without sounding "snippy." I for one am tired of it and I don't feel that I am being snippy. Enough is enough. I understand all about the copyright laws now and I appreciate the explanations but I have learned all that I needed to know about the copyright laws. Julie Gerren

Oh Joyce, I will be so disappointed if you do not send to the Gallia list. If this is so your desire amen but could you please let me know to what list you will be posting to so that I may still enjoy your articles and/or perhaps find some ancestors. Julie Gerren

I really get a big laugh out of these old newspapers. Keep up the good work. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: <JAR422@aol.com> To: <OHGALLIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [OHGALLIA-L] Copyright laws > > The copyright warning that I put on the top of the posts of "old" newspaper > articles is just to protect my time, work, and name of my postings. It is > NOT the material I post nor will it ever be. I suggest that people on this > list subscribe to an "old" newspaper site for perusal of the articles since this > list does not appreciate others work. > Joyce Robinson > > > In a message dated 3/9/2005 11:00:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jandmbug@juno.com writes: > > It is nice to know about the Federal Laws and what it means for the authors > of the books that they work so hard to publish. > Marian > > > > > > ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== > Check the address you are replying to before sending your message. > >

Joyce! For goodness sakes, don't quit submitting these wonderful tales of the past! As I told you before, I'd rarely ever get over in that area to read these newspapers on file and I just love them. Debra

The copyright warning that I put on the top of the posts of "old" newspaper articles is just to protect my time, work, and name of my postings. It is NOT the material I post nor will it ever be. I suggest that people on this list subscribe to an "old" newspaper site for perusal of the articles since this list does not appreciate others work. Joyce Robinson In a message dated 3/9/2005 11:00:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jandmbug@juno.com writes: It is nice to know about the Federal Laws and what it means for the authors of the books that they work so hard to publish. Marian

It is nice to know about the Federal Laws and what it means for the authors of the books that they work so hard to publish. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheryl enyart" <trayne1837inc@yahoo.com> To: <OHGALLIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: [OHGALLIA-L] Copyright laws > This was sent to me by Adam Salisbury, a friend of mine who is also an attorney. He asked that I forward it to you... > > > Hello List, > > I just wanted to spend a few moments and try to clear up this copyright > question before it gets too out of hand. > > First, copyright law in the United States gives the author of a work certain > protections for a limited time. In general, the "author" of a "work" is the > only person or entity who can: > > 1.. reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords > > 2.. prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work > > 3.. distribute copies or phonorecords > > 4.. to perform the copyrighted work publicly > > 5. to display the copyrighted work publicly > > 6. to perform the copyrighted work publicly by means of a digital audio > > > > Now then, it seems that some of you might be confusing the nature of the > "work" that is at issue here. What we are discussing is the compilation of > certain newspaper articles into a specific form, at a specific time and > place. In general, copyright lasts only for a specified period of time. > Newspaper articles from the 1800's are now beyond this statutory period, > meaning that the author no longer has the exclusive right to reproduce, > distribute, etc... > > BUT, when a genealogist prepares a book of data that is taken from another > source the genealogist is creating a derivative work which gains its own > copyright. Because of the work that the genealogist (or any other compiler) > does, that NEW work gains its own copyright. In "legal-speak" the > genealogist or compiler is now the holder of the copyright if her work > amounts to a compilation: For purposes of copyright law a compilation is a > work formed by the collection and assembling of preexisting materials or of > data that are selected, coordinated, or arranged in such a way that the > resulting work as a whole constitutes an original work of authorship. > > Because Connie, and the other hardworking people at the historical society, > is the author who decides which articles to publish, how the articles are > arranged, and how their distribution is coordinated, her "work" with these > articles constitutes a new copyright. Her authorship is the source of the > copyright and she now holds all the rights associated with copyright law > with one possible exception. Because these transcriptions come over the > listserve, the right to distribute may be in doubt (as one previous email > noted). But, you should all note, that these transcriptions may NOT be > reproduced or copied without the consent of the author (in this case the > transcriber) for publication or sale in any form. I don't see a problem > distributing the transcriptions to others on a different listserve. BUT, > any activity that results in a "commercial advantage" (i.e. for profit) is > still the sole right of the author. > > One important exception to note to copyright law is the doctrine of "fair > use". Fair use allows someone who is not the author to use a work in a > limited way. One example of fair use is the use of a work for educational > purposes. One may use a work protected by copyright for educational > purposes (such as using part of a transcription in a personal family history > for LIMITED publication and distribution , and giving credit to the > transcriber) without infringing upon the rights of the copyright holder. > > In closing, I would caution all of you that copyright infringement is a very > serious FEDERAL crime, punishable by incarceration and restoration of lost > profits to the author. If you can't do the transcription yourself, please > respect the work of others by asking their permission before you choose to > plagiarize. > > Further questions on this topic are welcome, as I would hate to see those of > you who contribute so much become discouraged because of certain worthless > individuals. > > -Adam Salisbury- > > > > For answers to specific questions: > > To Debbie - > > No, MyFamily.com could not profit from anything you send over the listserve. > You'll note that even on the most outrageous pay-to-view websites (like > ancestry.com) the portions of the website like the user-submitted family > trees and the message boards are usually free to browse by non-subscribers. > One way ancestry has started to get around these pesky copyright laws is > with their new "world-family tree" service. What it does is to make a new > compilation (described above) out of the family trees that users submit. > Then they charge you to view it. Very tricky. > > > > To Martin - > > You are right that the "list" does not own any of the material that we read > on the listserve. The author of the messages has the copyright on the > content of their messages IF that content is protectable. The law draws a > distinction between the simple everyday communications that we submit to > this public forum, and the material that a transcriber works to prepare and > submits for us with the intention that we use it in a limited way only. So, > yes, myfamily.com could distribute anything on the list to another part of > their website (so long as they don't make a profit on it). > > > > To Clif - > > Just because a transcriber posts the information to the listserve, it does > not mean he or she has relinquished any of their rights as the holder of the > copyright. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! 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In a message dated 3/9/2005 8:40:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Jokagal@aol.com writes: Joyce- Thank you for transcribing this. Little did I know that there was a Northup who was murdered! I will have to check my "tree" and see where he fits in, but it is certainly fascinating information. Thank you for taking the time to transcribe and share. Joanne Galvin Joanne, If I see anything more about the Northups I will send it to you personally. The Gallia list does not understand that the copyright notification is about the time and effort I spend on posting information and not the material involved. The material is not copyrighted anymore. So therefore I probably will not post to that list anymore. Joyce

Yes, your work is truly appreciated - even by those of us who don't find anything pertaining to our families. Please don't give up. I love to do extractions and finding information about the area, people and times..if we don't preserve the past we shall lose it! Don't let a little rain on your parade dampen your spirit and good work. - Marge in Eugene, OR -----Original Message----- From: JAR422@aol.com [mailto:JAR422@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:15 AM To: OHGALLIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHGALLIA-L] Copyright laws The copyright warning that I put on the top of the posts of "old" newspaper articles is just to protect my time, work, and name of my postings. It is NOT the material I post nor will it ever be. I suggest that people on this list subscribe to an "old" newspaper site for perusal of the articles since this list does not appreciate others work. Joyce Robinson In a message dated 3/9/2005 11:00:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jandmbug@juno.com writes: It is nice to know about the Federal Laws and what it means for the authors of the books that they work so hard to publish. Marian ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== Check the address you are replying to before sending your message.

I am also related to the Northups. I would like to have any information you have also. I appreciate all your efforts in this regard. Thanks, Pat On Mar 9, 2005, at 7:11 AM, JAR422@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/9/2005 8:40:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Jokagal@aol.com writes: > > Joyce- > Thank you for transcribing this. Little did I know that there was a > Northup who was murdered! I will have to check my "tree" and see > where he > fits > in, but it is certainly fascinating information. Thank you for > taking the > time to transcribe and share. > > Joanne Galvin > > > > Joanne, > If I see anything more about the Northups I will send it to you > personally. > The Gallia list does not understand that the copyright notification > is about > the time and effort I spend on posting information and not the > material > involved. The material is not copyrighted anymore. So therefore I > probably will > not post to that list anymore. > Joyce > > > ==== OHGALLIA Mailing List ==== > If you want to unsubscribe to the list, send an email to > OHGALLIA-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe in the text > of the email. >