This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2VB.2ACE/434.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Linda and thanks for your reply. I am now begining to wonder if there ever was an Arthur Hensel born to William Hensel and Louise Dora McLaughlin Hensel. The only one that seems to be from the same region as Louise Dora McLaughlin and her husband is shown to be the son of Jacob. I cannot find anything on Louise Dora or her husband or son. I had an idea the Arthur may be the one from Fairfield county, Ohio who was their son but moved to New Jersey. I am not surprised that I am having so much trouble with Louise Dora and her husband, my McLaughlin's have been driving me crazy for years. I know Louise Droa lived, because her married name was in her mothers Obit. I guess sonner or later things will come together. Thanks again, the best to you and yours. Rick McLaughlin

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hensel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2VB.2ACE/434.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Well, some of this information may help. All of the dates you had for Dora and William were way off. Here's the info from the 1900 census CENSUS: 1900, Lancaster city, Fairfield Co., OH, p 201 ED 14 SH 3A - East Main Street HENSEL, William, head, b Feb 1862, 38y b OH, parents b OH, laborer, glass fac., married 17? years ", Dora, wife b July 1862, 37y b OH, fa b VA, ma b PA, had 4 ch and 2 living ", William, son b Oct 1885, 14y b OH ", Roy, son b Sep 1893, 6y b OH ", Lawrence, son b Apr 1900, 1/12 b OH NOTE that the mother Dora says she had 4 children but only 2 living, and 3 children are shown. The 17 for years married may be 12 or 11 instead, making the older child William a product from a previous marriage.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HENSEL Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2VB.2ACE/434.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I am a bit confused about your interest in the Arthur you found on the 1930 Census in Maplewood, Essex Co., NJ. Are you interested in him because it says born in Ohio or because you know he is related? The 1930 Census information is as follows: CENSUS: 1930 New Jersey, Essex Co., Mapplewood, E.D 495, Visitation 290 HENSEL, Arthur, Head, 54, married, age 22 when first married, b. OH, Father b. England, Mother b. NY, Occupation Barber HENSEL, Mary, wife, 59, married, age 27 when first married, b. NY, Father b. Poland, Mother b. Poland HENSEL, ?Audra/Andra?, daughter, 20, single, b. NJ, Father b. NY, Mother b. OH EYER, ?Qunette?, daughter, 16, single, b. NY, Father b. NY, Mother b. NY The birth places seem mixed up and confused so I thought another census would help. Found an Arthur C. Hensel in 9th Ward of Newark, Essex Co., New Jersey. His age is 34 which fits, his occupation is Barber which fits, and he has a daughter named Audre/Andre, age 11/12, which fits. On the 1910 Census it gives his place of birth as New York, Father b. Germany and Mother b. Germany. In 1910 he also has two sons: Arthur Jr. age 9 and b. in NJ and Courtney R. age 2 b. in NJ. Not a Hensel researcher. Just a curious recipient of the Fairfield Co., Ohio Mailing list. Linda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2VB.2ACE/434.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks again Shelly, I really have no desire to post this on the internet, I stared out fumbling aoround looking for my father who I never knew. I did not keep and write down the sources to give credit where credit is due. the people who did a lot of work searching out and putting their work on the internet. Mostly this was for me in the begining but now it is for my Children and their children. I did want to have the family, as much as I could get them written down for them. I really do not know a lot about Genealogy, when I started I was older and not as sharpe as a younger person would be. So I fumble and go on the best that I can searching for those who were and are still living. I wish to thank you for your kindness and help. Rick McLaaughlin

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hensel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2VB.2ACE/434.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Rick, I don't want to deter you from using the internet. I've been researching for almost 25 years now, and have been online since it's dawning. Years ago we researchers use to only dream about what the internet could do for genealogists, and now it's unfolding right before our very eyes. It's always been detective work, both pre and post internet days, but now our detective skills also involve knowing what the best search engines are :) Putting your info on the internet is also not a bad thing, and is often easier than most people realize. But unless the person posts their sources (which you should then also re-document), you need to get in contact with them and/or search for the source yourself. What may have happened -- and I have seen it happen time and time again -- is that someone posted a lineage somewhere. Others have seen it over the years, incorporated it into their own research, and reposted it. Seeing a lineage posted in numerous places at different sites and with different updated dates gives people the preconceived notion that it's just GOT to be right. I'm wondering if maybe that's what's happening with your Arthur Hensel, as I find the same data on the internet that you have, but never are there any sources posted. I would recommend you email them if they left an email id, or if that doesn't work, write the person who left their address at the LDS site -- and ask them what there sources are. If Arthur's father William George Hensel died in 1887, there may be some partition records or even a will that mentions Arthur and any other heirs including his wife. Then again, maybe the Arthur you're looking for is actually the Arthur who's listed as the son of Jacob and Jane Hensel in the 1880 census of Liberty Twp., Fairfield Co., Ohio [ED 202 page 24D or 169D (depending on which page number you use) visitation 206/218] Good luck! And keep me posted, as I do have several Hensels in my database, including William George. Any updates or corrections would definitely be welcomed.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McLaughlin, Tigner, Hensel, Noice, Thompson, Moore, Berry Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2VB.2ACE/434.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks again Shelly, I guess I am going to have to go back to the begining with William Hensel, I don't keep a lot of things people send me, a lady sent me a long time back Williams full name was William George, there could have been another William Hensel that married Louise Dora McLaughlin in Fairfield County, Ohio. From the Obit, I know she was married to a William Hensel because of the obit, but which William? I know the internet is not correct in all if its genealogy, the internet has my grnad fathers name wrong, instead of Clyde the have him as William (Cidy). I am not doing this to put it on the internet, it is for my family and to let our children of tomorrow know who their ancestors were. I try to be correct in all that I try to do. Thanks for your help and kindness, I will do some more research on this. Thanks again. Rick McLaughlin

Hello All, We are going to go take pictures at Snider-Union Evangelical Cemetery and Bickel-St. Michaels Cemetery in Liberty Township tomorrow. If anyone else would like to have a digital picture taken of any of the headstones in either of these 2 cemeteries, let me know by about noon on Sunday. Thanx, Bryan Smith [email protected] This email has been checked thru Norton Anti-Virus Software.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hensel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2VB.2ACE/434.1.1.1 Message Board Post: William George Hensel b 26 Sep 1856 died in 1887 and is buried in Lithopolis Cem., Bloom Twp., Fairfield Co., OH. He was baptised 12 Jul 1857 at Trinity Lutheran, Marcy/Ashville, Ohio, in Pickaway County. He was the s/o Charles and Catharine Barbara (HAY) HENSEL. I have this information because they resided at least at one time in Bloom township, in which I have had a website for a number of years now. I don't have a wife down for William. If this is your William, and his last visible census was 1880 when he was in Bloom township, and he was buried there as well, then whatever child he had would most likely have been born there. However... something is wrong here. If 'my' William is the same as 'your' William, he is shown as single and living with his parents in 1880 as a 23 year old laborer. You said he had a son about 1876 named Arthur. Did he have it out of wedlock? Did they get divorced? Something seems a bit fishy about all this. If you're intent about finding more info about Arthur, I think I'd start at the beginning and definitely not take anything you see on the internet as gospel. Just yesterday I found someone who had submitted info to the LDS that is just packed full of errors, especially with death locations and birth locations. I'd also look at that other Arthur I mentioned. See if you can find a birth record on Arthur. I think the Arthur who I found in the 1880 census in Liberty twp. had a brother Gabe, and Gabe named one of his own sons Arthur, (sometimes shown as Basil Arthur). Lots of Arthurs! My website is at http://www.foorgenealogy.com/gene.html if you want to see what I have on those Hensel's. I didn't have the 1870 census stuff in the ' notes' section yet, but here it is: CENSUS: 1870 Bloom Twp., Fairfield Co., OH, p 28 HENSEL, Charles, 43y farmer b Baden ", Catherine, 38y keeping house b PA ", William G., works on farm, 13y b OH ", Mary A., dau 12y attending school b OH ", Martin L., 9y attending school b OH ", Edwin C., 6y attending school b OH ", Charley M., 1y at home b OH ", Jacob, 80y infirm b Baden The other census extractions are listed below each individual in the searchable database.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McLaughlin, Tigner, Emfield, Noice, Hensel, Thompson, Moore Berry Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2VB.2ACE/434.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for your reply Shelly. William George Hensel born 26 Sept 1856 married Louise Dora McLaughlin Born Abt 1854 In Fairfield County, Ohio. As far as I know they had one son, Arthur born Abt 1876 In Fairfield County, Ohio. This was from Notes from Anna Belle McLaughlin Brandt, Ercik Emfield that you mentioned has it on the internet. Louise Dora was the Daughter of my 2nd Great Grand Father Samuel McLaughlin. I am wondering if he is the Arthur Hensel born 1875 in Ohio and in the 1930 Census living in Maplewood, Essex County, New Jersey. I have a picture of Louise Dora and her sister Lucinda Alice McLaughlin Noice also in this picture is Cassius Clay McLaughlin My Great Grand Father. These were the two last sisters living and Cassius the only Son living at the time of their mothers death, Sarah Ann Emfield McLaughlin. I haven't been able to find a lot about any of them except the other day, I received an e mail with a lot about the Noice line. The Hensel line seems to be out! of reach for some reason. The picture I have is very old, it has to be from the 1930s, Cassius died in 1941 and Lucinda died in 1942, I have nothing on Louise Dora. I have notes from the family, but none that show the children of Samuel and Sarah Ann except dates of birth and death. Thanks again for your reply. This is the Obit of Sarah Ann . The death of Mrs. Sarah McLaughlin occurred Thursday at her home near the Grange Hall in Pleasant Township (Fairfield Co. OH), from pneumonia. She was 80 years of age. The deceased was the widow of Samuel McLaughlin. She is survived by two daughters, Mrs. William Hensel of East Wheeling St., and Mrs. George Noice of Locust St., one son Cassius McLaughlin of Pleasant Township, and one brother, Solomon Emphfield of Basil. The funeral will be held at the Maple St. Chapel, Sunday afternoon. Conducted by Rev. Biddle of Bremen and the remains will be interred at Forest Rose Cemetery. Rick McLaughlin

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hensel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2VB.2ACE/434.1 Message Board Post: There's an Arthur Hensel in Liberty Twp., Fairfield Co., Ohio in the 1880 census. If you go to www.familysearch.org and type in his name, he's listed in the Pedigree Resource File submitted by Eric Emfield of Idaho and has his address. Have you been in contact with that person? The 1880 census, though, shows this Arthur with different parents, but same age as the one you're seeking -- and he has several siblings. I have some HENSEL's in that county, but earlier than 1876. Some were in the Pickaway Co., Ohio area as well. What leads you to Fairfield county with your Arthur Hensel? I see several in the 1880 census who are all about the same age. How do you know for sure who his parents are? Were you able to find him in any census records? I'm curious as to where you found him in 1880 as the only one I found who was born in Ohio was the one in Liberty and the parents there are shown as Jacob and Jane.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smither, Smethers, Smothers, Earl, Gumber, Mongold, Radar, Burman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2VB.2ACE/435 Message Board Post: We are trying to find more info on these 3 dau's of George Nicholaus Smither/Smethers/Smithers/Schmetter/Schmedder below is all I have......there is no Gumber message board so I dont know if it can be sp another way, if someone knows, please let me know. Any info or leads would be helpful, esp if someone can find a census with them on it and married, thank you kindly. NS Children of George Nicholaus Smither/Schmetter & Anna Louise Nothstein: #2 Margaret Smethers (Smithers) SMOTHERS b: ABT 1768 PA md1 Henry Gumber md2 ? Earl According to the will of father of George Smothers Sr. Margaret must have been married to an Earl was deceased prior to his death in 1825 She died before 1825 in Fairfield Co., Ohio.25 In Case #435 of the estate of her father George Smothers, heirs included the heirs of his daughter, Margaret Earl -- Catharine Rader, Henry Burman and George Rader, Sr.. This indicates that Maragret had died by the time the will was written in 1825. It seems that EARL was her married name, but it could have been a middle name. In either case, it does not explain why her heirs had the last names of BURMAN and RADER. It's unlikely that Mr. Earl was their father. Also note that the was a marriage for Margaret SMETHERS to Henry GUMBER in Dec. 1820 in Fairfield Co., Ohio, according to the book Early Fairfield County Marriages: 1801-1826. I haven't found any other Margaret SMETHERS/SMOTHERS/etc. that fit this time frame. If Margaret's husband at the time of her death was Mr. EARL, it seems she was married briefly, prior to her marriage to EARL. Since none of her heirs bore the EARL of GUMBER names is seems that her heirs may have been her step children. She would not have had any children who were of age. She was married to Henry GUMBER in Dec 1820 in Fairfield Co., Ohio. The "Ye Ancient Swains" lists Peggy SMETTERS as the wife of Henry GUMBER. We are assuming that Peggy is short for Margaret. She was married to _____? EARL between 1820 and 1825. #7. Christina (Smithers) SMOTHERS b: ABT 1784 Salem Twp Luzerne Co., PA md Frederick Mongul Christena SMETHERS was born about 1784 in Luzerne twp. (Salem Co.), Pennsylvania. Christina apparently left her husband and married someone else. ?? She was married to _____? MONGUL (MONGOLD) before 1825 in Ohio?. # 9. Catharine (Smithers) SMOTHERS b ABT 1792 PA md Jacob Radar DEC 1811 Fairfield Co, OH. Catharine SMETHERS was born about 1792 in Pennsylvania. Catherine SMOTHERS is listed in the International Genealogical Index, but no death date it given. It is unclear if she is listed in the will of her father. His wife's name is given as Catherine, although no records have been found so far indicating that his former wife Barbara was dead. She was married to _____? According to the will of father of George Smothers Sr. Margaret Smethers must have been married to an Earl was deceased prior to his death in 1825 She died before 1825 in Fairfield Co., Ohio.25 In Case #435 of the estate of her father George Smothers, heirs included the heirs of his daughter, Margaret Earl -- Catharine Rader, Henry Burman and George Rader, Sr.. This indicates that Maragret had died by the time the will was written in 1825. It seems that EARL was her married name, but it could have been a middle name. In either case, it does not explain why her heirs had the last names of BURMAN and RADER. It's unlikely that Mr. Earl was their father.

Hi researchers Anyone going to the courthouse? I am looking for the marriage date of Ray Corder and Olive Huston around 1930 or earlier and their parents should be listed on application. Barbara Brea CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McLaughlin, Tigner, Emfield, Hensel, Noice, Thompson, Morre, Berry Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2VB.2ACE/434 Message Board Post: I am looking for some help with Arthur Hensel, son of William George Hensel and Louise Dora McLaughlin. Arthur was born Abt 1876 I believe in Fairfield County, Ohio. I have no information on Arthur except about the time he was born. Arthur is a first cousin once removed. Family as far as I know have all passed. Does anyone have any information what happened to Arthur? Thanks for any help that someone may be able to give. Rick McLaughlin

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2VB.2ACE/433 Message Board Post: Seeking obit for a Carl South who died in Lancaster Co, OH in July 1983. Day of death is unknown as info comes from SS Death Index. Any info greatly appreciated. Don South

Ebay has for sale a marriage license for the couple listed below. I have no connection, just thought it might be someone's family. Beverly Carter [email protected] William Philips and Louisa Lape. Oct. 22,1868.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: COLLINS Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2VB.2ACE/432 Message Board Post: Departed this life in the city of Zanesville, Ohio at the residence of her son, Dr. Z. C. McElroy, Wednesday morning June 5th, 1872, Mrs. ANN McELROY, relict of the late Rev. Archibald McElroy of the Pittsburg Conference, Methodist Episcopal Church, in the 84th year of her age. At the time of her death, Mrs. McElroy was one of the very few remaining links connecting the past with the present. One by one they are disappearing, and soon they will be extinct. Born in the state of Maryland in 1789, she carried over eleven years of the last century in her age. She was the daughter of James S. Collins, who with his family, removed to then North-west Territory in 1802, and settled on land previously entered, at what is now known as Bern Station Muskingum Valley Railway, near Lancaster, Ohio. She experienced in her early life all the hardships, perils, and privations, inseperably incident to early pioneers. At the time her father passed the Muskingum on his way to his new home there were but three log cabins where the city of Zanesville now stands, and, as Father Collins wagon was the first that passed west of the river at this point, he had to widen the bridle path with his axe to get to his destination. She was married to the Rev. Archibald McElroy in 1814. The life of a Methodist minister's wife was then a very different thing from what it is now. They lived in log cabins or hewed log houses; had to cultivate all the garden vegetables required by their families, had to make much of the cloth required for clothing and house use, from the wool or flax direct. In 1826 she was left a widow, with four children; Two others had already died, and two have died since, while two have survived her. She was a widow for about 46 years. The greater part of her life was passed in Central and Eastern Ohio, the last twenty two years in the city of Zanesville. About ten years since her vision became impaired, and for the last five years she was unable to read, and could only see just enough to go about. Mrs. McElroy was genial and pleasant in her disposition and was therefore much beloved by her circle of friends. She joined the Methodist Episcopal Church in the year 1800 - when the denomination was in its infancy - held her membership and lived religion all the way to the end. Mrs. McElroy never shrank from any duty imposed on her by her family, church or society, but did what she could with all her heart and might during her whole protracted life. Always prudent, economical, and industrious, hers was an eminently good and useful life and example. Her faith in her Redeemer never wavered during the three score and ten and odd years she was in his service. She loved her church with passionate fondness, as the means of God for the salvation of the world. She loved her Bible and read it every day until vision failed her, and the task of reading it to her devolved on others. She often talked of death. Had laid aside the clothing she desired put on her at her burial. Her son oft! en tried to get her consent to have her body taken and placed beside his father at Western Penn, but she never gave it. So she was tenderly laid in her last resting place in Woodlawn cemetery June 9th, 1872. The Zanesville Signal, published: Zanesville, Ohio Friday, June 28, 1872

Hi researchers I am looking for the marriage date of Ray Corder and Olive Huston around 1930 or earlier and their parents should be listed on application. Barbara Brea CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stevens, Stephens Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2VB.2ACE/431 Message Board Post: Looking for information on the family of "Doc" Stevens and wife Margaret Coxe. Children Zediaka, Leonard, Nathan, and Wesley Jiles. thanks for reading, John from Nebraska

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2VB.2ACE/430.1.1 Message Board Post: It helps a great deal. My distant relative, Elizabeth Green Stith was a member. She was a seamstress and I saw in a newspaper that she had participated in a sewing contest. That is why I thought they were a sewing group! I'm sure that was all just to raise money.

Hi there I am brand new to the list. I just learned over this past weekend that I had kin in Hocking Twp., Fairfield county as well as Hocking County in the 1820's through the 1840's by the surname of BEAR. To be more specific, George Bear whom purchased quite a bit of farmland in the area. I would love to connect with any other researchers working on this family. Regards, Andrea C. Heslin Franklin County Columbus, Ohio