Sharon, I do have obits for Miriam but it does not have much. Also her son Ivan is still alive but does not remember anything about what his mother's maiden name was or who her brother's and sister's were anything about her mother. Nothing. So that does not help much. researching anything for England from here is almost an impossibility unless you hold stock in some Swiss Bank somewhere. Very expensive to do research in England. So I thought that if I tried to go with Frank smith perhaps I could find some hidden info there that might help me. thanks for all your help Sharon, I appreciate it very much. Norma