lois, have you tried to write to erie cty health dept and see if they have death certificates for deaths you have no date for....? i have found them very helpful...and uncertified are free...up to 5 a day.... as long as i had name, they could look on computer and find them i have found many exact death dates, etc...course i can go in person....lol if you arent in sandusky area, email [email protected] and i could even go see about them for you!!! p.s.....larry is related to my 2 older children, small world!!!! LOL