This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kreimes, Ocker Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1VB.2ACE/11327.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Fred and Daisy are my grandparents (their youngest son Andrew was my father). I have all the info on their children and probably all the info on Fred's brothers and sisters. It's his mother and father (Cathrine Ocker and Andrew Kreimes) that I've hit a brick wall on. If you'd like, e-mail me off list.