Hello! Does anyone know anything about the history of Gore Orphanage which was located on Gore Orphanage Road in Vermilion, Ohio? Growing up in the area, I heard ghost stories about the place. We even visited the ruins one Halloween during a hayride to see if there was any truth to the stories of hearing children crying. Shelly Clipson-Shock Ann Arbor, Michigan

------------------------------------------------------------------ FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 16-Jan-99 13:19 Subject: Genealogy Requires From: RGilley331@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks to Eunice Kirkman, Tim :o}}} Today genealogy requires the following. 1. a BIG eraser 2. a BIG bottle of aspirin 3. a BIG crystal ball 4. the use of the words probable, possible, maybe, perhaps 5. quessing ability when all else fails. 6. Bourbon and ?? or your favorite. !^NavFont02F01BB0007NGHHHBD3199 Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

>>Hiram Shepcott Marble was listed in the census as a "Universal Clergyman". Does anyone know what that means? Timeframe: abt 1840-50.<< Hi, Universalist is a type of church so he was a minister. (in very broad terms). Maggie !^NavFont02F00BC0008NG75HGBD39CC Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Hi Everyone, I just finished the Summit County archives. There are some minor things to be added but go and check them out at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/oh/summit/summit.htm Maggie !^NavFont02F00A2000FNGHHG67NG9DHGA393F6 Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_916465319_boundary Content-ID: <0_916465319@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 1/16/99 12:03:37 AM, Marennad@aol.com wrote: >CEMETERY AND MORTUARY RECORDS (Part 1 of 2) > > by Brian Mavrogeorge, Senior Development Manager > The Learning Company <bmavrogeorge@palladium.net> > >Americans rely heavily on the censuses for family group >information. But when searching for children or women who lived >prior to 1900 in the United States, these records are not >reliable. Infant mortality was high, and children who were born >and died between census enumerations don't appear on the census. >If you are looking for a woman in the U.S. who died before the >1850 federal census enumeration, the only information you'll find >under her own name might be on her tombstone or in a cemetery >card file. Tombstone inscriptions, cemetery records, or >undertaker records might be the only tangible evidence of these >lives. The Family Tutor for Basic Genealogy Records ><http://www.uftree.com>, by Johni Cerny, offers this advice. > >Start your cemetery search by finding the names and addresses of >churches in areas where your ancestor may have died. The National >Society of the Sons of the American Revolution has a Web site for >locating cemeteries: <http://www.sar.org/geneal/cemtmaps.htm>. > >Churches with affiliated burial grounds usually kept records of >interments in their ecclesiastical registers (sometimes called >"Sexton's Books"). The local minister might be able to tell you >where these registers are now -- in the original meetinghouse, a >central church archive, in the possession of the heirs of the >then-presiding minister, or at the office of the current >minister. Also, thousands of church burial registers have been >microfilmed and can be found in genealogical collections, or at >the LDS Family History Library and Family History Centers. > > * * * * * --part0_916465319_boundary Content-ID: <0_916465319@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <MI-GENEALOGY-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yd02.mx.aol.com (rly-yd02.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.2]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v56.22) with SMTP; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:03:37 -0500 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-yd02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id AAA08081; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22543; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:50:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:50:58 -0800 (PST) From: Marennad@aol.com Message-ID: <e12c5628.36a01ccb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:59:55 EST Old-To: MICALHO-L-request@rootsweb.com, MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com, MIKENT-L@rootsweb.com, NYONONDA-L@rootsweb.com, StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Cemetery and Mortuary Records X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"3yFhD.A.leF.uqBo2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/4202 X-Loop: MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: MI-GENEALOGY-L-request@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit CEMETERY AND MORTUARY RECORDS (Part 1 of 2) by Brian Mavrogeorge, Senior Development Manager The Learning Company <bmavrogeorge@palladium.net> Americans rely heavily on the censuses for family group information. But when searching for children or women who lived prior to 1900 in the United States, these records are not reliable. Infant mortality was high, and children who were born and died between census enumerations don't appear on the census. If you are looking for a woman in the U.S. who died before the 1850 federal census enumeration, the only information you'll find under her own name might be on her tombstone or in a cemetery card file. Tombstone inscriptions, cemetery records, or undertaker records might be the only tangible evidence of these lives. The Family Tutor for Basic Genealogy Records <http://www.uftree.com>, by Johni Cerny, offers this advice. Start your cemetery search by finding the names and addresses of churches in areas where your ancestor may have died. The National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution has a Web site for locating cemeteries: <http://www.sar.org/geneal/cemtmaps.htm>. Churches with affiliated burial grounds usually kept records of interments in their ecclesiastical registers (sometimes called "Sexton's Books"). The local minister might be able to tell you where these registers are now -- in the original meetinghouse, a central church archive, in the possession of the heirs of the then-presiding minister, or at the office of the current minister. Also, thousands of church burial registers have been microfilmed and can be found in genealogical collections, or at the LDS Family History Library and Family History Centers. * * * * * --part0_916465319_boundary--

Continued from Part 3 THE GIRLS BOARDING SCHOOL BUILT IN 1910. It required a great deal of work to repair the Stanton home to get it in readiness for the school, having to lay a pipeline for several rods to connect with the Childrens Home water system, and to overhaul the system in the house. At the expiration of ten days, everything was in readiness for the school. The twenty-two girls and the teachers lodged in the building. The exercises at the end of the term were held on the lawn. A large barn door was used for a platform on which the six girls graduating were seated. With all the inconvenient ways of getting along, the teachers thought that the scholars made as good progress as they would have done in the old building. There were two terms held before going to the new building the first of the year in 1911. This was a memorable experience, and enjoyed by all who had a part in conducting the school. ___________________________________________________________________ Recaps and additional data: WILLIAM G. STEER, the author of the article above (from pages 125 to 131 of The Little Home Histories In Our Early Homes, Belmont County, Ohio), was the son of JAMES STEER, JR. and MARY GREEN. His birth on May 13, 1856 was reported in the meeting minutes for Short Creek Monthly Meeting, Jefferson County, Ohio. He married 1st LOUISA D. PICKETT on Apr 18, 1879 and married 2nd Eliza Hall on May 7, 1925. ~~~~~ JAMES STEER, JR., the father of WILLIAM G. STEER (and the son of James Steer and Ruth Wilson). He was born in 1827 in Colerain, Ohio and died Mar 2, 1917 in Belmont County, Ohio. [I apologize for not knowing my source for the dates of birth and death here. JLA] ~~~~~ WILLIAM GREEN (the father-in-law of James Steer, Jr.; the wife of James was Mary Green) ~~~~~ SAM BETTS (a colored man employed by James Steer to drive oxen) ~~~~~ LEWIS NAYLOR (a cane-grower and Quaker residing at Sandy Ridge) ~~~~~ RUTH BAILEY (a cousin of William G. Steer who helped in the production of molasses at the James Steer farm) ~~~~~ BENJAMIN HOYLE (bricks used in the primary schoolhouse built in 1835 were made on the Benjamin Hoyle farm. By the 1940 s, that parcel of land was known as the L. J. Taber farm) ~~~~~ SINCLAIR SMITH (some time after 1866 he, along with James Steer, donated new desks for the school house) ~~~~~ PETER SEARS, b. Apr 4, 1787 d. Jul 12, 1863 (prior to 1866, he lived and died in a house that was later used as a school) ~~~~~ WILLIAM H. SEARS (a grandson of the Peter Sears identified above) ~~~~~ School teachers: ISAAC N. VAIL, THOMPSON FRAME, LINDLEY B. STEER, LYDIA MILLHOUSE, MARY CALEB BUNDY, ELIZABETH SMITH LIVEZEY. ~~~~~ JONATHAN T. SCHOLFIELD (around 1860, he made a business of shredding corn husks in his barn, then hauling them to Wheeling, West Virginia for sale as mattress stuffing) ~~~~~ HENRY DOUDNA (in 1864, his home on Sandy Ridge was also the home of Jonathan T. Scholfield) ~~~~~ PERLEY PICKETT (a partner with William G. Steer in a corn husk shredding business during the winter of 1880) ~~~~~ SARAH PICKETT WALTON (one of 18 "boarding school scholars" who crowded into William G. Steer s wagon bed for a winter sleigh ride in 1880; apparently the only student of that ride still living when the above article was written in the 1940s) ~~~~~ WILLIAM PICKETT (father of Louisa D. (Pickett) Steer and father-in-law of the author, William G. Steer) ~~~~~ JAMES FRAME (a great uncle of William Pickett who claimed to have had personal contact with George Washington prior to and during the Revolutionary War) ~~~~~ WARREN E. PICKETT, Washington, Pennsylvania (possibly a brother of the author s wife) ~~~~~ JOHN BUNDY b. Feb 17, 1813, d. Sep 18, 1898 (fifth child of William Bundy and Sarah Overman; was at the James Steer barn-raising when his brother, Chalkley Bundy, was injured) ~~~~~ CHALKLEY BUNDY b. Feb 24, 1823, d. Dec 1, 1866 (tenth child of William Bundy and Sarah Overman. Chalkley was injured in a accident at a barn-raising on the James Steer farm in 1865. Although he seemed to recover from the accident, it was blamed for his early death the following year) ~~~~~ DEBORAH H. (HANSON) BUNDY (second wife of Chalkley Bundy; married him Dec 7, 1864) ~~~~~ DAVID EDGERTON (suffered a badly-sprained ankle in an accident in 1879 while engaged in moving a barn on the James Steer farm. The author, William G. Steer, injured his spine in the same accident and was laid up for six weeks) ~~~~~ Sources: (1) "Little Home Histories in our Early Homes, Belmont County, Ohio", pages 125-131. (2) "Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy", Vol 4. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THAT'S IT. THOUGHT MAYBE OTHERS WOULD ENJOY THEM TOO Barb !^NavFont02F0F49000ANGHHGZHV4AD7CF Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Continued from Part 2 CORN HUSKING. Sixty or seventy years ago, the manner of gathering the corn was very different from that of the present day. Many farmers, instead of putting it in shock, cut the top of the stalk just above the ear and used it for fodder. They snapped the ears off and hauled them to the barn to husk. When the crops were large and they had large barns, [the corn] was placed in long ricks [racks?] across the floor and the neighbors invited in to help husk it at night. After husking, a good supper was served quite late at night. The huskers rested on their knees as close together as they could work, and there was always a rivalry to see who could first husk through the pile. It was the task for the older men to rake back the husks as they accumulated. Around 1860, J. T. SCHOLFIELD made a business of hauling the husks to his barn [where] they were shredded to be used in making mattresses, [then] baling and shredding to Wheeling, West Virginia. the motive power for the shredder was a tred power large enough for two horses to walk on. A large wagon bed seven feet high and large enough to hold a ton of husks was drawn by a four- horse team to deliver the husks, this having to be done in the winter when the roads were very muddy. My first ride on a wagon like this was in 1864, when I was eight years old, and we went from the Henry DOUDNA home on Sandy Ridge to the AARON home, [which was] then the home of Jonathan T. SCHOLFIELD. In the winter of 1880, I was in partnership with Perley PICKETT and we carried on the same business. It was the practice in those days for the neighbors to take the Boarding School scholars on a sled ride each winter. It fell to my lot to take twenty-four of the scholars in my load. This wagon bed was too high for them to see out and when the door was closed they were practically in prison. On our return trip, two miles west of Barnesville, Ohio, the scholars crowded too much to one side and the bed, being on bob sleds, upset and rolled the scholars into an adjoining field and pitched me into a fence corner in the snow. There was no one hurt. Sarah Pickett WALTON is, as far as I know, the only one living of those twenty-four scholars, after a lapse of sixty-one years. JAMES FRAME & GEORGE WASHINGTON. More than fifty years ago, my wife s father, William PICKETT, related this incident: James FRAME, a great uncle of his, during the Revolutionary War was brought into the presence of George Washington by two soldiers. [Washington] addressed James as follows: "James, what are you doing here?" The reply was, "These two men brought me here because I refused to bear arms." Whereupon the Commander said to him, "Many a time have we drunk out of the same cup and many a time have we slept together under the same blanket. You are at liberty to return to your home and help produce food for those who are willing to fight." James FRAME told my father-in-law, William PICKETT, that he had assisted George Washington when he was a surveyor. THE STEER NAME. While my wife, Louisa D. STEER and myself were living in Southern California, from 1866 to 1887, one day as I was driving in Los Angeles, I saw on a sign the name Vacy STEER. On making inquiry I found she was an English woman, who later on gave me the following information: In the 10th or 11th century, when the Normans first attempted to invade England, they found it difficult to make a landing on the stern and rockbound coast of Cornwall. After several unsuccessful attempts, a safe landing was made and the man who guided the boat was given the name of STEER. She also informed us that in a little town in Cornwall, the family history had been kept for five-hundred years. The first record of the name was found in the period from 1660 to 1665. From that time to the present, we have a complete line of records. If these records are desired, write to Warren E. Pickett, Washington, Pennsylvania and he can furnish a copy. [This offer was made in the early 1940s, so is just a wee bit out of date.] HAZARDS OF FARM LIFE. When raising a barn on the farm of James STEER in 1865, there were one hundred and twenty-five men working. Through the carelessness of one man, a beam four by four and eight feet long fell from the top story to the floor, striking a large man who wore a silk hat a glancing lick, and then struck Chalkley BUNDY on the head and seriously injured him. He was carried into the house and placed on the couch, where he laid until taken to his home. I was but eight years old, but I remember seeing his brother, John BUNDY, standing by him and I noticed how pale he was. [Chalkley] recovered, and later married Debora BUNDY. He died two years after the accident, and it was this injury [that] shortened his life. In the fifth month, 1879, when moving a barn to what was known as the lower farm, while putting the heavy sections of the roof with pole rafters in place, owing to a defective worm-eaten timber, the entire building--thirty-six feet long--collapsed, carrying twenty men down with it. The only one of those who was on the platform who was injured was David EDGERTON, who suffered a badly sprained ankle. I was near the eaves and was removing a pin that was in the way, so when the barn spread, I fell through. Though pinned to the ground, I was able to make known my whereabouts. The men soon removed the heavy sections of roof and carried me and laid me on the lawn. When the doctor came, he found my spine was injured and informed me that I would never be able to work again. After lying in bed for six weeks, I gradually recovered until I was able to manage my farm work. Although I suffered with my back for over thirty-five years, I had it straightened by the first chiropractor that came to Barnesville. Continued in Part 4 !^NavFont02F1262000ENGHHGZNY53HY63E7E5 Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Continued from Part 1 MAKING A FLAIL. This was made by taking two sticks of wood about the size of a fork handle. One four or five feet and the other two or three feet, making a knob on the end of the longer one and boring a hole in the shorter one, the two were tied together with a flexible rope or rawhide. Thus the loop on the long piece will turn around when swinging the shorter stick. An inexperienced person, if not careful in using the flail, [could sometimes be struck on the head by the short piece and] need not be surprised. SORGHUM MOLASSES. During the Civil War from 1860 to 1865, no sugar could be had from the southern states. To have a substitute, many farmers in the northern states grew sorghum cane and made molasses. I remember that it had been told that Lewis NAYLOR, a Friend of Sandy Ridge, had made as much as five-thousand gallons in one season. The most cane Father ever raised in any one season was six acres -- a colored man and his girls stripping and cutting and getting it ready to be hauled to the mill located in the basement of the barn. The cane was crushed by a sweep mill containing three upright rollers two feet in length and one foot in diameter, the juice being conveyed by gravity in an open spout to the boiling shed one-hundred or more feet below. From the storage box, the juice was drawn into the first pan for boiling, made by nailing sheet iron to wooden sides. It was allowed to boil only a little in one end so that the green scum could be taken off. It was necessary to feed this to the hogs before it fermented or it would make them drunk. The juice was drawn from the first pan into a settling box and then on to the finishing pan, made of solid cast iron ten feet long, three feet wide, with flaring sides one foot high and an opening in one end two by six inches to draw the molasses into the collecting box. This was done with a board six inches in width to fit the pan, which shoved the molasses to the end, being careful to have a vessel with juice to follow up the board. This to keep the pan from burning. One year when we had a large surplus, it was sold in Wheeling, West Virginia for $1.25 a gallon. A day s work was about seventy gallons of molasses. The management at the shed was generally by the women. Our cousin, Ruth BAILEY, was a very good helper. On the return trip from Wheeling, we met some men on horseback who had just crossed Wheeling Creek and reported the water so high that it would not be safe to cross. Father thought with his strong team, he would try it. So when we came to the stream, I tied the pony I had rode twenty-five miles bareback, to the wagon. We got safely across, though the water was deep enough to swim the pony and [it even] came into the wagon bed. This being the time of the Civil War, when Friends refused to pay the tax, the sheriff told Father he was going to take one of his horses the next morning when he started back. (This was the plan taken at that time, to take stock and sell it to get money for the tax.) Father was very much worried as [to] what to do, as we were taking a flock of sheep to the[ir] new home. He decided to go another way and so did not lose the horse. THE PRIMARY BRICK SCHOOL HOUSE. This was built in 1835 and was in use sixty-three years. The brick used in building this school was made on the Benjamin HOYLE farm, now the L. J. TABER farm [as of the early 1940s]. The plans were made by William GREEN, whose early life was spent in England. Thus, there was a similarity to the English buildings as there were three rows of seats on each side of the room, each row being up one step from the one below. However, these were removed not long after we first went to school in 1866, and new desks were put in. James STEER and Sinclair SMITH were the donors. After this change was made, it left the windows so high that we could only see out at one end. There seems to have been a time, before 1866, that no school was kept [at least in this building], Peter SEARS, the grandfather of William H. SEARS, having lived and died in the house. The early teachers we know were Isaac N. VAIL, Thompson FRAME, Lindley B. STEER and Lydia MILLHOUSE, Mary Caleb BUNDY, and Elizabeth Smith LIVEZEY. The building was in good repair when taken down to give place to a more modern one in 1898. Continued in Part 3 !^NavFont02F0DA4000ENGHHGZNT95HTA53DFF Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

This came from the QUAKER LIST Thanks to Barb DB12251@aol.com on the Maggie_Ohio List Article by Judy Alberts JAlberts97@aol.com Hollywood, Florida ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE STORIES: Thanks to Bruce Wood of this list, many months ago I acquired a photocopy of an old manuscript called "The Little Home Histories In Our Early Homes, Belmont County, Ohio". It has given me such pleasure to read about the day- to-day lives and times of the families that formed the mostly Quaker community of Belmont County, Ohio from the early 1800's to the early 1900's that the manuscript covers, and I wanted to share some of that pleasure with those of you who may also be interested. Although I am related to many folks whose names appear throughout the work, the article I am posting here is mainly about individuals who are not closely related to me. I just thought the stories imparted a strong feeling of realism about our ancestors' lives. The surnames that will appear below, and the order they will appear in, however briefly, are: STEER, GREEN, PICKETT, HALL, WILSON, BETTS, NAYLOR, BAILEY, HOYLE, TABER, SMITH, SEARS, VAIL, FRAME, MILLHOUSE, BUNDY, LIVEZEY, SCHOLFIELD, DOUDNA, WALTON, OVERMAN, HANSON, EDGERTON. I warn you in advance that this will be lengthy reading. But rather than apologize for excessive use of space, I'll just assume everyone knows how to use their delete button, if necessary, and I'll plunge onward. Hope you enjoy. Judy L. Alberts JAlberts97@aol.com Hollywood, Florida ___________________________________________________________________ Anecdotes Written by William G. Steer James Steer's Oxen--Tramping Out Grain--Making A Flail--Sugar Camp--Sorghum Molasses--The 1835 Brick School House--Corn Husking--James Frame & George Washington--The Steer Name--Hazards of Farm Life--The 1910 Girl s Boarding School JAMES STEER S OXEN. When my father, James STEER, bought the Grandfather William GREEN's farm, he also bought the stock which included three yoke of oxen and twenty-five head of three-year-old colts. He sold the latter at public sale the same year and kept the oxen for a few years. He employed a colored man by the name of Sam BETTS to drive them. One of the first jobs was to have the sills for the barn hauled. They were twelve by twelve and sixty feet long, and came from the "Billy" Doudna farm on Sandy Ridge. Another thing of importance was to deliver the stone for the first bank vault built in Barnesville in 1865. The oxen were so well trained that the driver could turn the team and wagon on Main Street and not leave the side walk. At one time Father hauled three loads of coal, one hundred bushels in each, to Barnesville in one day. The coal digger helped him to load it. In hauling coal to Number Two Schoolhouse, he only used one yoke. After getting up the long steep hill and crossing the railroad with seventy bushels, he stalled on the track. After going to the rear wheel, with his lifting [up, he] helped the oxen to get across the track. The outcome of this incident caused a report to be circulated that Father had lifted seventy bushels of coal over the crossing. In his prime, it was said that he was the strongest man in the township. The names of [the] three yoke were Joe and Jerry, Buck and Berry, and Bill and Barney. TRAMPING OUT GRAIN. There was plenty of floor space in the large barns built before and after 1864, so we often used this space to tramp out grain. The sheaves were unbound and placed in a circle. Then we brought in four or six horses and colts, tying them two and two. With someone to ride the leaders and another person in the center to keep the horses in place, they soon learned how to go. Of course, it was necessary to keep a large shovel nearby to remove the droppings. It was [also] necessary to use a flail to thresh out that which was not tramped. [Continued in Part 2] !^NavFont02F0CAA0008NS99HSAC6339 Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

------------------------------------------------------------------ FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 15-Jan-99 7:49 Subject: [COUNTRYMAN-L] [Long] Article about Data Preservation but we ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ancestry Daily News 13 January 1999 ====================================================== "KEN & MARTHA: A LESSON IN DATA PRESERVATION" by Michael John Neill <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> ======================================================= It's 1968. Two genealogists are madly obtaining and compiling family history information. Ken is converting all his data to punch cards. "State-of-the-art" he says. Locals at the genealogical society brag about how "modern" Ken is. He's been asked to discuss his technique with several groups. Martha insists on using her old manual, "it worked for Donald Lines Jacobus," she states, ignoring the blank stare she gets in return. Ken jokes, "why Martha, you probably don' t have running water." Martha calmly replies "I most certainly doOpacking water from the creek would take away from time at the courthouse." Martha uses good paper and good ribbons, but that doesn't matter to the others. "Living back in the '30s," they say. Martha remembers using court documents from the 1890s and the ease with which sixty years later she read the judge's typewritten conclusions. She smiles to herself and carries on. After all, her research has shown she's descended from a stubborn, independent lot and a little ribbing won't sway Martha. It's 1998. Ken and Martha have been gone for years, the society members who lauded Ken and ribbed Martha are mostly gone, current members are largely unaware the two former members. Ken's heirs and Martha's too have found their genealogical compilations in their respective attics and have wisely donated them to the local genealogical society. The acquisitions chairman quickly appoints someone to inventory and catalog Martha's typewritten charts, forms, and histories before they are added to the society's collection. The society is still trying to find someone to do the same with Ken's cards. The comment "why don't we sell them as bookmarks at our annual workshop" is initially laughed at but does generate some serious interest. Pictures are also a part of Ken and Martha's collection. Martha's black and whites have stood the test of time rather well. Some of the original stones are gone, but Martha's pictures remain and will be archivally preserved by the society. Ken's color photographs have faded and they, in addition to his punch cards, are still awaiting a decision. While the "old way" of doing things is not necessarily the best way (I'm partial to running water and electricity myself), Ken and Martha's story makes a point about the use of technology. The blond hair in the photograph of me at three years of age has faded. Today the photo makes me look as if I've always had a receding hairline. I have a stack of 5.25" floppies sitting on my desk, gathering dust. They all contain state-of-the-art software, and corresponding data files. The only computer I have that reads 5.25" floppies sits in my garage. With a null-modem I could transfer the files to the machine I currently use. That works today and the machine in the garage is thirteen years old. What about fifty years from now? If I had my "complete" genealogy on one of these diskettes could it be read and used in fifty years? What if the data is readable, but the software won't run? Will someone have a working copy of the software? If not, will there be any way to convert the data to a "modern" format? Even if they had a machine that could read the diskettes, what is the chance a machine of that age is in working order in fifty years? And what if it needs parts? It took the auto-body shop two weeks to find parts for my five-year old car. Obtaining parts for a fifty-year old computer is likely to be even more problematic. That does not matter, the technical ones say. There will be ways to convert any data format to any other data format at that point in time. Maybe, but maybe not. If you take a look at 30-year old genealogical magazines, there are ads for various "specialized" record-keeping systems, with special charts, forms, and numbering schemes. For how many of these can you still buy forms? Heaven help you if Great-aunt Myrtle used one of these systems and misplaced the manual. And in the ever-changing world of technology, whose to say which data format or operating system will eventually win out? Ten years ago we lived in the world of MS-DOS and every computer user (except for Mac people!) had to enter in text commands in order to maneuver data and software files. Ten years ago, all genealogy software was written for DOS and windows had curtains. If Sun and others have their way, it will be curtains for Windows. Regardless of who comes out on top, change is the only thing that never changes. In the rush to computerize and to digitize, it must be remembered that relatively speaking, these technologies are in their infancy and that file formats are still constantly changing. It's also necessary to remember that computers and digital technologies originated as a means of communicating and processing information faster, not as a way to preserve information for hundreds of years. Electronic forms of publishing and data storage should not be abandoned. The days of paper and printing are not yet over. Remember the phrase "paperless office?" From what I see as I look at the clutter surrounding my desk, I realize we have a long way to go. In fact, computers make it easier to generate reports and forms. Computers were never meant to be archival, they were a means to process information more quickly (at least in theory). And when a computer geek says they "archived" something they aren't storing if forever. They made a backup copy in case their hard drive fails in the next few years. They are not planning on saving a copy for the next hundred years. The school where I work occasionally receives donations of old software. Software for Windows 3.1 is essentially useless, especially if we are preparing students for technologies they will encounter in the workplace. When my office was moved from one building to another, I threw out countless old software manuals and programs. We are not a software archives and there's no practical reason to retain five and six year old software. It's important to remember that a significant amount of the fascination with this new technology is "hype." It's important to remember the word "hype" is related to the word "hyper." A hyper person is usually too excited to be unable to focus and concentrate. Also remember that software and hardware companies benefit from "new" products being put on the market every six months and that "new" is not a synonym for "better" (my word processor confirmed this, just in case I was not aware of it myself). It should also be remembered that recent trends have made genealogists more of a "market" than they were five or so years ago. Make no mistake. Information technology affords genealogists opportunities never before available. Significant amounts of data are available via computer and communication can be greatly facilitated. In fact, the editor of this e-zine and I have never met, never talked on the phone, never faxed, and never U.S. mailed. Also, on my end nearly half the articles never see a sheet of paper until the completed e-zine is emailed to me when it is "published." Let's also remember that the greatest information processor of all time is not archival. The human mind still has advantages over the computer. If we are really lucky, it lasts one hundred years and no one ever claims the brain should be used for long-term data storage. After all, I have enough trouble remembering where I put my keys fifteen minutes ago. Printed, typed, or written pages, once transcribed by a human, may last for much longer if preserved correctly. As we research, compile, and create, let's not forget the lesson of Ken and Martha. Good Luck! ************************************************************ Michael John Neill, is the Course I Coordinator at the Genealogical Institute of Mid America (GIMA) held annually in Springfield, Illinois, and is also on the faculty of Carl Sandburg College in Galesburg, Illinois. Michael is the education columnist for the FGS FORUM and is on the editorial board of the Illinois State Genealogical Society Quarterly. He conducts seminars and lectures on a wide variety of genealogical and computer topics and contributes to several genealogical publications, including Ancestry and Genealogical Computing. ======================================================= ==== COUNTRYMAN Mailing List ==== !^NavFont02F1CD60007NGHHcD78D4A Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

There has been a lot of conversation about Halbert's on the lists so when I saw this I thought I should forward it to you all. Maggie ------------------------------------------------------------------ FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 15-Jan-99 7:24 Subject: [COUNTRYMAN-L] More on Halbert's in Ancestry Newsletter ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Nancy Cluff Siders <siders@lookingglass.net> Some of you may receive this newsletter but I thought I'd include it for those who perhaps have not read it. We have been on the topic of Halbert's before but we have had new subscribers since then. ====================================================== "ROOTLESS FAMILY TREE BOOKS" By Loretto D. Szucs <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> ======================================================= If you have a mailing address, you've probably received one: a postcard or a letter announcing, "A remarkable new book is about to be published-and best of all, you are in it!" Even if you haven't been a lucky recipient, it's a good bet that you know someone whose curiosity has been piqued by one of these creative marketing pieces. Not too long ago, my husband opened the mail to find a "personalized looking" letter announcing that "What might be the most amazing facts about the Szucs have been discovered. The New World Book of Szucs is about to be published for you!" While my husband was touched that someone would go to all the trouble of digging up amazing facts and publishing a book for him, he found these facts questionable. We were amused to see that in their "research through over 170 million individual households" searching for the "very rare Szucs name" they looked in the U.S.A., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and eight other countries, yet failed to look in Hungary or Slovakia where the Szucs name originates and is most common. After making their research claims, they offered to let us "see how family crests were developed using ancient symbols and what they [family crests] mean." This offer discussed family crests in such a way that at first glance the unsuspecting would think the Szucs family crest was a part of this published treasure. Should we spend our money on these books? Here are some things to consider before pulling out your credit card: If you simply want a list of names and addresses of individuals who share your surname, a brief overview of how to trace your real family, and an undocumented Coat of Arms that was once granted to someone who had a name like yours, it may be worthwhile. (Remember that there is no such thing as a family surname Coat of Arms. Armorial bearings were granted to a certain individual, and only his descendants in the male line are entitled to them; collateral branches of the same family cannot use them.) Some people I know who have truly rare surnames have found lost or unknown relatives with these kinds of books. The Halbert's case is one example of the public's reaction to promotions by companies who publish this literature. Halbert's web page claims they have "over 170 million household records compiled from electoral rolls, telephone directories, automobile registrations and cross-street directories from 14 countries." On 23 March 1995, the National Genealogical Society, with the support of the Federation of Genealogical Societies, submitted to the United States Postal Service Chief Counsel, Consumer Protection, a 120-page report on Halbert's marketing practices with the request that these practices be investigated. On 21 November 1995, the USPS issued a supplemental cease and desist order prohibiting Halbert's from further use of certain misleading marketing practices, which included a consent agreement signed by Halbert's. Previous cease and desist orders against Halbert's which were brought by other parties in 1985 and 1988 remain in effect. The Postal Service contended the company's solicitations, which advertised books such as The World Book of (surname) and The (surname) Since the Civil War, violated the 1988 consent agreement because they appeared to be letters from relatives of the addresses. Halbert's was order to prominently display the following disclaimer on any advertising for surname-related publications: "No direct genealogical connection to your family or ancestry is implied or intended." Because of the increasing popularity of family history research, no doubt you will be seeing more of these offers in your mailbox. So remember to be cautious, read all the material carefully, and thoroughly investigate the company making the offer. ======================================================= Later...Nancy ==== COUNTRYMAN Mailing List ==== Been meaning to join RootsWeb? Just get your credit card out and go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/memberform.html now. They could sure use your help! !^NavFont02F103E0007NGHHW403B9E Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Hi Everyone, I will be around but may not respond very fast. Now the (&*($ program that I use to do my queries on the web pages has eaten everything from 1998. I have a way to fix it but it is going to take time. The only good news is that Franklin County is done and up on the net so I don't have to redo it. Thanks for your patience while I try to get these fixed. Maggie !^NavFont02F01260006NGHHHnC55C Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

------------------------------------------------------------------ FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 14-Jan-99 8:22 Subject: Heritage Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Merle Rummel <cliffr@infocom.com> >Merle, Would you please explain a little more about the '99 Heritage >Festival, when and where it will be held? The Southern Ohio Heritage Festival (sponsored by the Southern Ohio District, Church of the Brethren) is held every year (alright -this will be the 4th year) the Saturday of Labor Day Weekend, at Woodland Altars Campgrounds. It is an all day festival type event -with exhibits, church (including food and drink) and craft sales, musical and historical presentations. Camp Woodland Altars (Church of the Brethren) is on OH 41 (the old Zane Trace), just at the north edge of Adams Co. It is about 7 miles north of Peebles, or a couple miles farther from OH 31 -some 50 miles from Cincinnati. OH 73 comes past the famous Serpent Mound to Locust Grove, just 2-3 miles south of the Camp. It is a similar distance south of the old Strait Creek Church - and east of the Marble Furnace Church. The campgrounds covers slightly more than one square mile of the appalacia hills of eastern Ohio. Hiking and Camping is very available. There is a swimming pool, horse trails and a small lake. Besides Serpent Mound, there is Fort Hill, another Ancient Culture site -and a little farther is Mound City (Chillicothe OH), and other parks and sites. Merle C Rummel Church Historian ==== BRETHREN Mailing List ==== !^NavFont02F051C000ENGHHGE4NH41HLdE417 Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Liana In 1836 Erie County was still part of Huron County. Check there for records. Huron County Probate, Recorder, Clerk of Courts, etc. Huron County Courthouse 2 E. Main St. Norwalk OH 44857 Carol

I have STEWART in Erie Co, Ohio. Anna Stewart married Hiram Shepcott MARBLE in 1836. -----Original Message----- From: OHERIE-D-request@rootsweb.com <OHERIE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: OHERIE-D@rootsweb.com <OHERIE-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 6:30 AM Subject: OHERIE-D Digest V99 #11

------------------------------------------------------------------ FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 13-Jan-99 14:10 Subject: re: OH Bicentennial Celebration information ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, List, I finally heard from the Bicentennial Commission today. They want you to contact them to sign up as volunteers. They will send you the information they have and will put you on the mailing list for their newsletter. If you offer to help she said you can basically put in as much or as little time as you have available. She gave me the website which apparently was down last week but is supposed to be ok now. Address: http://www.ohio200.com Their email address is: bicentennial@winslo.state.oh.us It's also on their web site. I talked to Samatha Sargent. The phone no. I used is: 614/466-2000. You may have to leave a message. There may be an 800 no. on the web site though. I forgot to ask. They are also looking for buildings, etc. upon which to place historic markers. Maggie, what about all those courthouse buildings? Do they all have them? The person to contact for the markers is Carmilita Boyer. They will send you an application. They are also doing an encycloypedia on Ohio (like a timeline). I asked about county histories and she said to submit that idea. It would probably be a matter of taking off from where Beers and other authors left off at the time of the 1903 centennial. Well, it sounds like a great event to get involved in, and they need a lot of volunteers I gather. Marilyn Brown' mhersey@aol.com !^NavFont02F051D0006NGHHLf9383 Maggie's World of Courthouse Dust & Genealogy Fever http://www.infinet.com/~dzimmerm/mindex.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* God Put Me On Earth to Accomplish a Certain Number of Things. Right Now I am so far behind, I will never die. --- Unknown *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with good health, good friends, and more than enough good luck. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

I am looking for information on the following members of the BOUCK family who lived in/near Sandusky - JACOB BOUCK (abt 1757-1839 or 1777-1859) m. MARIA FRANCE ch: DAVID (10/6/1785) CATHARIN EVA (10/13/1787) JOHN (8/27/1791) BARNARD (9/17/1801) The son named Barnard may be my ancestor, BARNEY BOUCK - BARNEY BOUCK (b. NY) m. CLARISA/CLARANA (poss. Emily Clarana) SPARLING (b. NY) ch: JOHN STACY BOUCK (b. 1823 NY) - my grgrgrandfather possibly other children??? This Bouck family moved from NY to OH about 1825-1830. A biography of one of John Stacy Bouck's sons states that his grandfather (who he called John) was a brother of WILLIAM C., "the governor", but I haven't found any documentation substantiating this claim. Thanks - Ginny Arveson

I did not see the original message but my great grandfather was a sandusky fireman and i have very little info on him please get back to me if you can help. This would of been about the 20-40's. Thank You so much. Sharon Geffert

Would be interested in sharing data with anyone researching any of the following surnames in Erie County Ohio and surrounding counties: HARTMANN, MISCHLER, SCHAUFELBERGER and SCHWAB. Glenn M. Vincent San Antonio, TX

Lisa I have forwarded your request for information on to someone who may be able to find a record of Rolland TURNER with the Sandusky Fire Dept. I will let you know if anything is found. Carol