IMPORTANT info for genealogists -- cost of Ohio birth & death certificates may go from $1 to $17. Your immediate action is necessary if we are to have any chance of stopping this increase. Email Governor Taft to stop the 1700% price increase for birth & death certificates. If Governor Taft signs the bill, then you should immediately contact your state senators and representatives and ask that they sponsor legislation to roll back the price increase and reinstate uncertified copies at reduced cost. I recently learned that the Ohio legislature has proposed a budget for 2002-2003 that will eliminate uncertified copies of birth and death records. If Governor Taft signs the bill as presented, you won't be able to get uncertified copies of those any more from the state or county depts of health after July 1 -- and your cost will go from $1 per uncertified copy to $17 for each certified copy -- a 1700% increase that will make the cost of genealogy research prohibitive, especially for retirees. Governor Taft has line item veto power which would enable him to veto the offending provisions of the bill -- but we must act NOW if we are to have any chance of influencing him to exercise his line item veto power. A campaign of email and phone calls should do it (letters will take to long, since Gov Taft is considering the budget now and is expecting to act on it within just a day or two). Please send Governor Taft an email -- or call his office and complain about the proposed increase. His email address and phone number are set forth below. Also below is a copy of an email I sent to the Governor this morning. You may also want to mention that many people begin researching their family histories after retirement -- but the proposed increase will make that cost prohibitive for them in particular. If just half of the subscribers to the Ohio rootsweb lists contact the Governor, we may be able to stop the increase. If you want the Governor to send you a written response, you must include your snail mail address. (I included mine.) Thanks Mick Burdge Dayton, Ohio Governors email address: Governor.Taft@das.state.oh.us His office phone numbers: (614) 466-3555 (614) 644-0957 You can find your state senators & representatives here: http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/ My email to his office this morning: Dear Governor Taft -- I am asking that you please use your line item veto, and whatever other powers you have, to remove the proposed increase in the cost of obtaining death and birth certificates -- to be specific, please remove from the proposed budget the requirement that the public can obtain such vital records only in the form of expensive certified copies. The proposal would mean that the Ohio public would have to suffer an increase from $1 to $17 per copy. It is quite ironic that in the year 2003, while Ohio purports to celebrate its bicentennial, Ohio is about to enact legislation that makes it too expensive to research part of Ohio's history. The proposed budget will eliminate uncertified copies that so many historians, genealogists, and newspaper reporters use in researching early Ohioans. Perhaps a reasonable and modest increase to $2 for uncertified copies would be appropriate; but raising the cost from $1 to $17 is outrageous. The proposed increase will make it cost prohibitive for Ohioans to conduct family and genealogical research in this state. These records, especially death certificates, are critical to doing proper research. Death certificates contain names of parents, places of birth, and other information necessary to do proper research. I understand that the Dept of Health has stated that it needs to increase the fees for such records because it does not receive enough in fees to pay for the manpower necessary to fulfill requests. In my opinion, that is a false and pretextual position -- and attempt to continue it current unreasonable restriction on access to public records. The fact is that the dept makes it virtually impossible for researchers to access the records to conduct their own research. If the dept would make the records more accessible for citizens to do their own research, the dept could avoid the high labor costs it complains about. In order to research the records a person has to make an appointment about 2-3 weeks in advance because the dept places an unreasonable restriction on the number of researchers per day. Then the dept charges just $3 for doing research for a 10-year period. No wonder the dept fees do not pay for the labor costs involved. If the dept would make the records mor! e accessible and charge an appropriate fee for doing research, it would no have to raise the raise the cost of certificates from $1 to $17. Let me give three examples that show how the proposed increase will make research cost prohibitive. (1) Last year, I prepared a family history report as a gift for an Ohio citizen that served as a pilot in both World War II and the Korean War. His ancestors were some of the first to settle in the Cincinnati area when it was then called Columbia in the Northwest Territory. One of his ancestors is mentioned in an article in the first newspaper printed in the Northwest Territory. In the course of doing that research, I had to get copies of about 30 death certificates. Insofar as the certificates were for research purposes, I did not need them to be certified and my cost was $1 per record, a total of about $30. Under the proposed budget, I would have to pay for certified copies at $17 each -- a total of $510 -- even though I did all the research to determine the precise record that I needed. There is no way I could afford to make that kind of gift. (2) This year, I made a! similar gift to another Ohio elderly Ohio citizen who served in World War II at Normandy. I had to obtain about 27 uncertified death certificates at a cost of $27. Under the proposed budget, the cost would be $459. (3) Over the last five years, in researching my own family, I have obtained approximately 300 uncertified death records. The proposed budget would make that absolutely cost prohibitive -- $5100. Also, please note that the Mormon research facilities are no substitute for public access to Ohio public records. Moreover, the Mormon library's material does NOT include Ohio birth and death records after 1908. There is nearly a 100 year gap between the info at the Mormon library and today's records. The simple fact is this -- there is no legitimate reason why researchers should not be able to do their own research, and to pay for the actual cost of obtaining copies that their own research has identified and located. Please, please -- do not eliminate uncertified copies of vital records -- and do not allow the cost of vital records to increase to $17 each. Such an increase will put an end to family and genealogical research in this state. Thanks for listening -- and I hope to read in the newspaper that you have vetoed such an increase. Michael J. Burdge

I am not certain most of you know who I am. My name is Pat Jones and I have been fighting the possible loss of uncertified vital records here in OH. I pleaded my case before the senate hearing in June and seemed to have lost that battle for my ancestors and other researchers. I received this from the Hamilton list this a.m. and am hoping it makes all the county lists as well as local OGS chpts, and other states that have interest in OH roots or just care enough to speak up. I am going to Jackson/Gallia to work on some of the families tomorrow. I just thought that if such a # of people wrote or phoned the governor our families my get a last minute reprieve from the state. I just wanted to post and let anyone know. If you are on other lists and feel as compelled as I it would be nice to see all counties and anyone else make a statement to the governor on our ancestors behalf. I am sending this to those I have helped along with family members as well. "There was a good article in this morning's Hamilton Journal News on the Vital Records issue. I can't find a link to it on the web yet. I believe I heard yesterday that Gov. Taft does have the power of the "line item veto". I plan on writing him today at Governor.Taft@das.state.oh.us and asking him to veto the portion of the bill that deals with uncertified copies of vital records." Pat Jones riverrat111@earthlink.net

Hi June My wife got a copy of the recipe from who ever made it. The O.F. cream pie was great. I can get the ladies name who made it but I think it was Wayne Nichols wife. She should get the right to supply recipe if she cooked it. John W Cramer << From: ["June E. Hulit" <kerryoh@sssnet.co] Subject: [OHDARKE] Pot Pie Recipes of Darke County Yesterday at the ListFest --- I saw something I have not seen in years!!! Chicken Pot Pie!!! And boy was it GOOD!!! My compliments to whomever made it --- but I understand --- Jane you commented -- that there was a discussion one time about Pot Pie Recipes of Darke County....what was that all about??? Since my grandmother was from Darke County --- it "threw me" when I saw this "pot pie" because I have not seen it since my grandmother left this earth!!! She always made it for the holidays and my cousins and I LOVED IT!!! Also there was a "cream pie." Did someone make that? Because grandmother made a "cream pie" that was simply sugar and milk baked. Some folks call it Sugar Pie, Milk Pie, or "Poor Man's Pie" but my cousins and I found out that you HAVE to make your crust and then pour the milk, sugar, etc. into the crust and "stir" it with your finger to get the consistency to be the same as our grandmothers...so is this another recipe from "Darke County?" It was sweet with nutmeg and cinnamon in it. Really curious since this appeared on the table yesterday too! Thanks for any info. >>

The cream pie was a creation of Betty Nichols (yes, Wayne's wife). I'm sure that Wayne will pass this question on to Betty. --Jane -----Original Message----- From: John.Cramer@das.state.oh.us [mailto:John.Cramer@das.state.oh.us] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:51 PM To: OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OHDARKE] Recipes of Darke County listfest Hi June My wife got a copy of the recipe from who ever made it. The O.F. cream pie was great. I can get the ladies name who made it but I think it was Wayne Nichols wife. She should get the right to supply recipe if she cooked it. John W Cramer << From: ["June E. Hulit" <kerryoh@sssnet.co] Subject: [OHDARKE] Pot Pie Recipes of Darke County Yesterday at the ListFest --- I saw something I have not seen in years!!! Chicken Pot Pie!!! And boy was it GOOD!!! My compliments to whomever made it --- but I understand --- Jane you commented -- that there was a discussion one time about Pot Pie Recipes of Darke County....what was that all about??? Since my grandmother was from Darke County --- it "threw me" when I saw this "pot pie" because I have not seen it since my grandmother left this earth!!! She always made it for the holidays and my cousins and I LOVED IT!!! Also there was a "cream pie." Did someone make that? Because grandmother made a "cream pie" that was simply sugar and milk baked. Some folks call it Sugar Pie, Milk Pie, or "Poor Man's Pie" but my cousins and I found out that you HAVE to make your crust and then pour the milk, sugar, etc. into the crust and "stir" it with your finger to get the consistency to be the same as our grandmothers...so is this another recipe from "Darke County?" It was sweet with nutmeg and cinnamon in it. Really curious since this appeared on the table yesterday too! Thanks for any info. >> ==== OHDARKE Mailing List ==== Visit the OHDARKE List Information page at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/darke.html Subscribe, unsubscribe, view list archives, etc. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello, All of you are familiar with Billy Baker and the help that he has provided for us on many, many occasions. He has now really outdone himself with his latest project! Billy has typed five full years of obituaries from the Union City Evening News, which in 1939 became the Union City Times-Gazette. The obituaries cover 1936-1940. When I put his original file into Word, if printed it would have been about 550 pages! We have indexed the files alphabetically by the decedent's surname and linked the index to the appropriate obituary but I STRONGLY suggest using the Find feature on your browser once you are on an obituary page. There are hundreds of surnames mentioned in the body of the obituaries that are not evident in the index. The obituaries cover not only the Union City area but much of Darke County as well as Randolph Co. Indiana and are often even further reaching into other states. I believe that this will be an excellent resource to all area researchers. The direct URL to the Informational page is: http://www.dcoweb.org/randolph/UCobits/index.html Presently the best way to search the obits is through the DCOWeb.org search engine on the www.dcoweb.org home page. This is a simple search engine so please use one word searches. Take the link at the top of the obituary pages to the Informational page, if you have not already done so - this page also contains the links to the yearly indexes. And, as I said above, once on the actual obit pages, use your Find feature. Many, Many Thanks to Billy and Enjoy! Jane Torres

Please reply ONLY on the Board (link below): ============================================ This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0VB.2ACE/150.3 Message Board Post: I am searching for a link to Isabelle (Belle) Nealeigh, b1876, she married Cyrus Tyler b.1854. She was from Ohio and went to Lincoln Co.KS then they went to Hood River Oregon. They were strawberry farmers. Isabelle had a brother Ike Nealeigh who also live in Hood River I believe.

No...I don't have the Pot Pie Recipe....what I was saying...someone made it and brought it to the ListFest. It was good. As for the "Cream Pie" recipe --- I will have to do a hunt -- I might have that one. June E. Hulit kerryoh@sssnet.com Wooster, OH USA

Yesterday at the ListFest --- I saw something I have not seen in years!!! Chicken Pot Pie!!! And boy was it GOOD!!! My compliments to whomever made it --- but I understand --- Jane you commented -- that there was a discussion one time about Pot Pie Recipes of Darke County....what was that all about??? Since my grandmother was from Darke County --- it "threw me" when I saw this "pot pie" because I have not seen it since my grandmother left this earth!!! She always made it for the holidays and my cousins and I LOVED IT!!! Also there was a "cream pie." Did someone make that? Because grandmother made a "cream pie" that was simply sugar and milk baked. Some folks call it Sugar Pie, Milk Pie, or "Poor Man's Pie" but my cousins and I found out that you HAVE to make your crust and then pour the milk, sugar, etc. into the crust and "stir" it with your finger to get the consistency to be the same as our grandmothers...so is this another recipe from "Darke County?" It was sweet with nutmeg and cinnamon in it. Really curious since this appeared on the table yesterday too! Thanks for any info. June E. Hulit kerryoh@sssnet.com Wooster, OH USA

Yesterday, many things were said to me regarding Family Tree programs. I thought someone said to get "Family Tree II (two)" but I failed to ask what "family tree" program is going to be compatible to OHD? I want to get the correct one. Thanks for any help you can give. June E. Hulit kerryoh@sssnet.com Wooster, OH USA

As my teenage granddaughter would say: AWESOME!!!! Yesterday was my first experience in Genealogy and ListFest. It was GREAT meeting sooooooo many people and SURELY I HAD Nothing to offer being a newbie at all of this BUT I was wrong! A copy of my cryptic family pedigree was made and hopefully Rebecca S. has some new leads on the Viets family. I was excited that I was able to contribute and even more excited as "MANY" suggestions were given to me to help me get started on the right foot!!!! You folks were WONDERFUL!!! Thank you ALL --- Wayne, Jane, Rebecca, Roger and especially SUSAN K. --- This newbee's head was a spinnin' by the time she left!!! Thank you Wayne and Jane and EVERY ONE who puts a great DEAL of work into the ListFest to make it happen. I would have liked to have met Wally and Karen. No one would have "starved" for sure --- what a SPREAD of food!!!! I did make it to "old" Brock cemetery and took pictures. It has not changed since I was a kid. Got home "safe" and I hope everyone else did too!! Had a blowout on our camper while on Route 30 heading east (home was only a half hour away)--- not exactly tickled pink with AAA right now nor their so-called "emergency road service" --- had to wait 1-1/2 hours for help. Finally on the second call to AAA I requested the Highway Patrol because it was getting dusk (I didn't care if it was the longest day of the year as the smart-alec AAA person told me) and we were on the other side of the crest of the hill...with cars and semi's flying by ---- (not fun). Finally we crept down off the crest of the hill (on the rim -- no tire left) and the Ohio Highway Patrol parked behind us with his flashing lights until the tow truck got there to help us. The tow truck guy was not a happy person --- did not want to go out on the call to us. Whew --- was I ever glad when we got home --- (and most thankful). Sure hope everyone else made it home okay!!! Again -- thanks to every one and I don't mean to leave "thank you's out" to others --- just may not know your name to thank you personally. You are a GREAT group of folks!!! June E. Hulit DCO - Fort, Viets Wooster, OH USA

Was there was a church connected with the Old Harris Creek Cemetery? If so, have those church records for the 1800s been made available? Bobbi

Respond to her privately if you know who Pearl is taking about...... >Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:09:13 -0600 >From: " COOK" <tomboy@greenapple.com> >To: <ohdarke-l-request@rootsweb.com> >Subject: -Lost Track of Relative > >I have lost track of a relative. Her name is Bessie >Bradshaw-Holland. She lived in Greenville, Ohio. If anyone knows her, >please tell her to get in contact with me either write or e-mail me. I >would love to talk to her, it has been so long. Thanks > Pearl ================= wally@calweb.com

Please reply ONLY on the Board (link below): ============================================ This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0VB.2ACE/105.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Wayne, I do have info about James and Sarah. James is my great grandfather and I have family pictures of James and Sarah and all their children. I also have Byrd info from Sarah's father, Abraham, and back beyond that.

Please reply ONLY on the Board (link below): ============================================ This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0VB.2ACE/105.1.1 Message Board Post: Mark Do you have any information on Sarah Byrd? Also details about James. All I have is that he was born in 1844 and died in 1910 and was married to Sarah Byrd October 3, 1867. I'm not related but my wife is a Byrd. Wayne

Please reply ONLY on the Board (link below): ============================================ This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0VB.2ACE/105.1 Message Board Post: I have a James K. P. Young who married Sarah Byrd. James was born in PA. I also have a death certificate for a Jacob Young who was born in PA. I am descended from the first and have the info backed up into PA.

Please reply ONLY on the Board (link below): ============================================ This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Penny Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0VB.2ACE/228 Message Board Post: I'm looking for living relatives of Oren Penny, who was buried in Newcomer (a.k.a. Snell) Cemetery on December 23, 1964. My great-grandfather was also Oren Penny and was born in Ohio. I belive my great-grandfather and the Oren Penny buried in that cemetery are related. Please contact me via email if you can help. Thank you very much.

SHIELDS Family with roots in Ireland or perhaps Scotland. My Shields family were in Hamilton Co. to Butler Co. to Preble Co. to Darke Co., OH I am trying to initiate a SHIELDS yDNA Study Project for genealogy. I am writing to inform you of our hopefully upcoming project that may be of interest to you. These types of projects are becoming popular among genealogists in helping to trace family lines and make family connections. Perhaps you are already aware of such projects. If not, perhaps you would like to check out this informational webpage: http://www.duerinck.com/mystory.html and here is a webpage listing many of the surnames presently involved in projects: http://www.duerinck.com/surname.html We are in need of SHIELDS surnamed males for this project who would be willing to be testees. If we can obtain at least 6 SHIELDS men willing to participate, I can implement a group and we then can receive special pricing for these tests. At the present I have 4 volunteers. For additional information, please go to this webpage "Under Construction" that I am setting up should our SHIELDS PROJECT take effect. Some of the links work at this time which will give you additional information. Remember long URLs are frequently truncated coming through e-mail so you will have to copy and past to your browser window...all the way to and including "xxx.html" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~grannyapple/SHIELDS%20DNA/SHIELDS%2 0DNA%20HOME.html If you are a SHIELDS male interested in volunteering, please contact me at this time. You cannot join yet via the website until I have enough volunteers to initiate the study. If you are a female researcher, perhaps you have a SHIELDS father, husband, brother, uncle, or cousin who might be willing to help us. Thank you for your time. Audrey AudreyShieldsHancock@att.net

Please reply ONLY on the Board (link below): ============================================ This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0VB.2ACE/227 Message Board Post: Found in an antique store in Waynesville, OH. An old CDV of a woman by A M Johnson, Greenville, Ohio. Written on the back: "Lizzie Snelle" Or it could be Sneller or Snellen Also written on the back "Geo Yehle" Joecan

Please reply ONLY on the Board (link below): ============================================ This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0VB.2ACE/226 Message Board Post: I am searching for the information on James Smith born 1809. I believe that he married Susanah Overly in 1830. I have confirmed that he lived in Darke County from his son James W. Civil War Pension records. Son states that he was born in Darke County Ohio. There is a James and William Smith that show up with their families in the 1820 and 1830 Census. James could have been a member of either of these families based on the count of children and the ages.. I am wondering if there is a will for either or both of these two Smith...hopefully listing the children's names...Any chance that someone could look for me? Thanks, So much! Janet Smith

I am looking for any information on A William S(pencer) Edwards Born: about March 1837 Darke Co., Ohio (maybe) Died: about 1915 St. Francisville, Lawrence Co., IL. I have found his headstone but it is one of those Civil War head stones that only have what unit he was in. I have search everywhere I can think of for the date of death, all I can find is when the headstone was placed. I have written the state for a death cert., but he died just before death certs. were required. If any one could help Me in My search it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for your time and effort Jerry Edwards Edwards,Bennett,Hiatt/iett/yatt, Mote, Patty, Carrier Vincennes, IN USA