Please reply ONLY on the Board (link below): ============================================ This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Keiser, Lyons Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0VB.2ACE/221 Message Board Post: Census lookup in 1900 and 1910, Darke County for- oh, if you have not already, have the same subject for Levi's obit that I sent you. Thanks again. : | 1.8 Ida (or Idi) Keiser Lyons1 | b. ca 1868, Ohio1 | Re. Lived Near Webster | res. Webster, Darke Co., Ohio3 | & __?__ Lyons3

In search of information on Jacob Wimmer and his ancestors/descendants and wife, Jemima Laboyteaux Wimmer and her ancestors/descendants in Ohio and then Indiana in apx. 1780-1830. Any help would be appreciated.

>Organization: The Ohio Genealogical Society >From: "Karen S. Smith" <chapter-channel@ogs.org> >Subject: Ohio Genealogical Society Chapter Channel Special Edition - 4/30/03 >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:09:23 -0400 > >Recently, the Ohio House of Representatives passed House Bill 95 (the >state budget bill). Included in sections 3705.23 and 3705.24 is language >that would: > >-- eliminate uncertified copies of vital records > >-- add a $5 surcharge to what is already charged for a certified copy >(raising the total cost of a single document to anywhere between $12 and >$17, depending on the agency) > >-- creates a "certification of birth," which does not require the parents' >names to be listed > >In addition, the certified copy is not required to be a photocopy of the >record. Unlike other states where the threat to vital records access is >based on fears about identity theft and homeland security, the Ohio >legislature is doing this under the guise of "fiscal responsibility." >Although nobody has been able to get someone to speak on the record, my >sources at the Ohio Historical Society tell me that they have heard from >the State Vital Statistics officials, who say that they cannot afford to >process uncertified copies. (Because the way the open records law is >written, agencies must charge "at cost," which cannot include the cost of >labor or any overhead, such as maintenance and preservation of the record.) > >Ohio has had a long tradition of open records. The Ohio Revised Code >section 149.43 requires that "...all public records shall be promptly >prepared and made available for inspection to any person at all reasonable >times during regular business hours. Subject to division (B)(4) of this >section, upon request, a public office or person responsible for public >records shall make copies available at cost, within a reasonable period of >time. In order to facilitate broader access to public records, public >offices shall maintain public records in a manner that they can be made >available for inspection in accordance with this division." > >House Bill 95 does not exclude vital records from what are defined as >public records. There are many other ways to keep uncertified photocopies >available to the public, including setting a statutory fee (perhaps at $1 >per page) or setting the fee at a percentage of the certified fee. The >full text of Ohio HB95 can be found at: >http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/BillText125/125_HB_95_PH_N.html > >It is a very large page. Use your Internet browser to find 3705.22 >(3705.24 immediately follows.) >The bill has passed the House, and has been forwarded to the Senate, where >the Finance and Financial Institutions Committee is hearing testimony. > >Links to contact information for the members of the Ohio Senate can be >found at: >http://www.senate.state.oh.us/senators/by_name.html > >Members of the Finance and Financial Institutions Committee are: >Bill Harris, Chair >Ron Amstutz >Louis Blessing >John Carey >James Carnes >Eric Fingerhut >Randy Gardner >David Goodman >Jay Hottinger >Jeff Jacobson >Mark Mallory >Ray Miller >C.J. Prentiss > >Even if you do not live in Ohio, there is nothing to say that you cannot >contact any member of the Ohio Senate or the Ohio House and tell them how >the language in sections 3705.23, 3705.24, etc. would affect you. >If you have any questions at all, please do not hesitate to contact me. >Ohio genealogists need your support -- and we need it *now*

Linda is not subscribed.... This is very important! We either act now or pay the price. Linda Harrison -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [OHFranklin] Ohio Legislation - House Bill 95 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:11:06 -0600 Resent-From: OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:11:22 -0400 From: Amy Johnson Crow <amy@amyjohnsoncrow.com> Reply-To: OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com To: OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com References: <20030425192639.43452.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> The bill has passed the House and is currently in the Senate. The Senate Finance and Financial Institutions Committee is hearing testimony. The time to let your voice be heard is NOW. Links to contact information for the members of the Ohio Senate can be found at: http://www.senate.state.oh.us/senators/by_name.html Members of the Finance and Financial Institutions Committee are: Bill Harris, Chair Ron Amstutz Louis Blessing John Carey James Carnes Eric Fingerhut Randy Gardner David Goodman Jay Hottinger Jeff Jacobson Mark Mallory Ray Miller C.J. Prentiss Even if you do not live in Ohio, there is nothing to say that you cannot contact any member of the Ohio Senate or the Ohio House and tell them how the language in sections 3705.23, 3705.24, etc. would affect you. At 08:25 PM 4/30/2003, Linda Harrison wrote: >Has this bill already been passed or can we still stop it? There are bills >being passed right and left taking away resources used by genealogists. I >just read about one on another list which might cause us to lose access to >the Social Security Death Index. > >We need to unite somehow and fight these bills. We also need some >instruction on what to do. Personally, I couldn't tell you the name of a >single senator or representative in Ohio. I left there in 1973. > >Linda Harrison > >Cheryl A. Bechtel wrote: > >>Here is selected text from House Bill 95 for the topics discussed >>recently: Vital Records and Ohio Historical Society. >> >>VITAL RECORDS >>Fees for vital records (page 161) "The fee for any of the following must >>be no less than $7: a certified >>copy of a vital record, a search of records pursuant to a request for >>information, or a copy of a record pursuant to such a request. The bill >>prohibits the board of health of a city or general health district from >>prescribing a fee for issuing a copy of a vital record or certification of >>birth that is less than that charged by the Office of Vital Statistics. >>The bill requires the Office of Vital Statistics and health district >>boards of health to collect an additional $5 fee for each certified copy >>of a vital record. The bill provides that the revenues generated by this >>additional fee must be used solely toward the modernization and automation >>of Ohio's vital records system." >> >>Uncertified vital records (page 162) >>"Under current law, the state registrar or a local registrar may, on >>request, provide uncertified copies of Ohio vital records. The bill >>eliminates the availability of uncertified vital records." >> >>OHIO HISTORICAL SOCIETY (page 170) >>"Requires the Ohio Historical Society to charge Ohio public libraries a >>reasonable price, not to exceed 10% of the total cost of publication, for >>specified materials rather than supplying those materials at no charge and >>to charge Ohio schools a reasonable price, not to exceed 10% of the total >>cost of preparation, for specified materials on Ohio history rather than >>providing those materials at cost or near cost. >> >>OHS: Charges for specified materials (page 170) >>"One of those functions is to publish books, pamphlets, periodicals, and >>other publications about history, archaeology, and natural science and to >>supply one copy of each regular periodical issue to all Ohio public >>libraries without charge. The bill requires the Society to offer, rather >>than supply, one copy of each of those periodicals and to charge a >>reasonable price, not to exceed 10% of the total cost of publication, for >>them. >> >>This text can be found at the following links. Choose HTML or PDF >>depending on your connection speed. >>http://lsc.state.oh.us/ANALYSES/anh125.nsf/e77dc78db8ad9b2b85256598004e3f1a/014d7847c043eaed85256d11004bd0ec?OpenDocument >>http://www.lsc.state.oh.us/analyses125/h0095-ph-125.pdf >> >>The online versions of legislation provided on this Ohio Legislation >>website are NOT official. The official version of bills is available from >>the LSC Bill Room located at the north end of the Ground Floor of the >>Statehouse. >> >>The primary sponsor of House Bill 95 is Representative Chuck Calvert(R). >>His email address is: district69@ohr.state.oh.us >>Please write to your Ohio congressmen and let them know that this bill is >>important to all genealogists and historians& >> >>Cheryl A. Bechtel >>Verona, Italy >>bechtelca@yahoo.com >>The George/Hayes Family & Allies >>http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/e/c/Cheryl-Ann-Bechtel/ >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo >>http://search.yahoo.com >> >> >>==== OHFRANKL Mailing List ==== >>Homepage for this list is http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohfrankl/ >>To search this list go to >>http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter OHFRANKL for >>the list name. >> >> > > > >==== OHFRANKL Mailing List ==== >Feel free to share your research tips, get help from others and discuss >ideas on research and resources for Franklin County. >To search this list go to >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter OHFRANKL for >the list name. ==== OHFRANKL Mailing List ==== Homepage for this list is http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohfrankl/ To search this list go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter OHFRANKL for the list name.

Actually anyone can express their concern! I have been told that the more outside people exert pressure, the more the legislators think others are watching....which may help! Sure can't hurt! Especially if you use Ohio records or have Ohio families to research. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: <jweber@kiva.net> To: "Carol Montrose" <cmontrose@beol.net> Cc: <OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [OHDARKE] Ohio HB 95 web site > > Of course, it onlly applies to Ohio Residents. No one else is paying > taxes there or resides there and therefore has NO SAY! > > > > > > > On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Carol Montrose wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:25:36 -0700 > > From: Carol Montrose <cmontrose@beol.net> > > To: OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [OHDARKE] Ohio HB 95 web site > > Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:01:10 -0600 > > Resent-From: OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Copied to list with permission (Carol is not subscribed): > > ========================================================= > > > > I set up a web site with selected items from HB 95 r.e. Ohio Health Dept & > > Vital Statistics with some *** to draw your attention to a few things I > > noted as well as a couple comments by me i.e. > > (cm: .....) > > > > http://users.beol.net/genealogy/HB95/ > > > > Please take a minute to visit the web page and then write to your local > > newspapers, Senators & Reps and the Governor and tell all your friends! > > AND attend the hearings! > > WE HAVE TO BE HEARD!!!! > > > > We must move quickly or it will be too late!!!! > > I will be adding items r.e. the Ohio Historical's Budget delema and HB 95 > > asap. Stop back to read that too! > > > > Carol > > > > > > ==== OHDARKE Mailing List ==== > > Visit the OHDARKE List Information page at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/darke.html > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, view list archives, etc. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Of course, it onlly applies to Ohio Residents. No one else is paying taxes there or resides there and therefore has NO SAY! On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Carol Montrose wrote: > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:25:36 -0700 > From: Carol Montrose <cmontrose@beol.net> > To: OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OHDARKE] Ohio HB 95 web site > Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:01:10 -0600 > Resent-From: OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com > > Copied to list with permission (Carol is not subscribed): > ========================================================= > > I set up a web site with selected items from HB 95 r.e. Ohio Health Dept & > Vital Statistics with some *** to draw your attention to a few things I > noted as well as a couple comments by me i.e. > (cm: .....) > > http://users.beol.net/genealogy/HB95/ > > Please take a minute to visit the web page and then write to your local > newspapers, Senators & Reps and the Governor and tell all your friends! > AND attend the hearings! > WE HAVE TO BE HEARD!!!! > > We must move quickly or it will be too late!!!! > I will be adding items r.e. the Ohio Historical's Budget delema and HB 95 > asap. Stop back to read that too! > > Carol > > > ==== OHDARKE Mailing List ==== > Visit the OHDARKE List Information page at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/darke.html > Subscribe, unsubscribe, view list archives, etc. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Copied to list with permission (Carol is not subscribed): ========================================================= I set up a web site with selected items from HB 95 r.e. Ohio Health Dept & Vital Statistics with some *** to draw your attention to a few things I noted as well as a couple comments by me i.e. (cm: .....) http://users.beol.net/genealogy/HB95/ Please take a minute to visit the web page and then write to your local newspapers, Senators & Reps and the Governor and tell all your friends! AND attend the hearings! WE HAVE TO BE HEARD!!!! We must move quickly or it will be too late!!!! I will be adding items r.e. the Ohio Historical's Budget delema and HB 95 asap. Stop back to read that too! Carol

Please reply ONLY on the Board (link below): ============================================ This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Grant Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0VB.2ACE/220 Message Board Post: Hi, I am looking for William M. Grant, and his parents Isaac and Lydia Grant. I believe William M. Grant was born in Greenville, Ohio around 1861. Thank you for any, and all help! :)

Please reply ONLY on the Board (link below): ============================================ This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0VB.2ACE/219 Message Board Post: Need information on George Heckman and Catherine Brown..don't know who their parents were...were in census in Missinnawa Twp...George born 11 Mar 1835...Catherine born 1 Apr 1842...any help appreciated....Kathy Casey

Hello Claire, During the 19th century the dress and lifestyle was similar to the Amish. The Brethren website will tell you when the German Baptists broke off into different groups, some embracing modern conveniences but maintaining simple lifestyles and others rejecting modern conveniences while maintaining simple lives. My Darke Co ancestors, Paul Deal/Dale and his wife Mary, very likely moved over from Miami Co to get more land. They had growing families with many sons. The German Baptist Brethren were largely farmers, although some were merchants. They didn't participate in government, and their ministers were lay people. One of these, my ancestor Philip Younce, preached in both Miami and Darke Cos, at least. His home base was Miami Co, but he had his own little circuit of churches, including one or two in Darke. Greenville Creek was one of these, I believe. He preached to both German/Swiss folks and to African American congregations, as he could preach both in German and English. This was written up by a Miami Co man who had known him as a child. I recommend those of you with Miami/Darke roots check the Brethren list Archives to see if your surnames are mentioned. You may be surprised to find you have Brethren roots too, and not just those with German sounding names. Sharon At 10:12 AM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Sharon thank you for the links. I never heard of the "Brethren" term before >so this is very enlightening. Was the dress and lifestyle similar to the >Pennsylvania Dutch -- no electricity, only man and animal powered tools and >conveyances? > >Do you by any chance know how or why Darke Cty became a site for these >immigrants and settlers? Was it a farming area? >Thanks again. >Claire > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sharon Mills" <mills@reliable-net.net> >To: <OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:33 PM >Subject: [OHDARKE] Anabaptists in Darke Co > > >For more information about Anabaptists in Darke Co, check out the archives >of the BRETHREN-L@rootsweb.com for the surnames. Or join and ask >questions. There were one or two German Baptist congregations in Darke Co, >don't know about Mennonite. > >Often German-speaking settlers searched out an existing church that was >German-speaking. There was a lot of movement between the Anabaptist groups. > >Sharon Mills > > >At 11:40 AM 4/23/2003 -0600, Sharon Butsch Freeland wrote: > > > >Claire, > > > >Geneva and Berne are located in Adams County, Indiana, just inside the > >Indiana-Ohio state line. Geneva and Berne are about 40 miles > >north/northwest of Greenville, Ohio ( the county seat of Darke County ). > > > >Goshen is located in Elkhart County, Indiana, in the very northern part of > >the state ( almost to the Michigan border ). Goshen is about 130 miles > >northwest of Greenville, Ohio. > > > >Someone else on the DCO List will have to help you with your other question > >about the Mennonite and Anabaptist settlers in Darke County. My Darke > >County ancestors were Methodist and EUB. > > > > > >Sharon Butsch Freeland > >Superior, Boulder County, Colorado > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. > > > > > > > > > >==== OHDARKE Mailing List ==== > >Contact the OHDARKE List administrator at OHDARKE-admin@rootsweb.com > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/darke.html > >Subscribe, unsubscribe, view list archives, etc. > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >==== OHDARKE Mailing List ==== >Visit the OHDARKE List Information page at >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/darke.html >Subscribe, unsubscribe, view list archives, etc. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Subject: Ohio Death Index maybe Closing/July 1, 2003 >From : "Joan L. Asche" <jasche@cinci.rr.com> To : OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com Subject : Ohio Death Index Closing! Date : Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:56:16 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) This notice was posted: http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/index.cfm This Index May Be Inaccessible After July 1, 2003 Due to significant recent and potential decreases in state support, the Ohio Historical Society may be forced to make massive reductions in staff by July 1, 2003. As a result, the death certificate index may be removed from the society's web site. This would be necessary since staff would be unable to fulfill the large number of requests for copies submitted by patrons who use the online index. Onsite access to the index and the death certificates may also be limited by reductions in operating hours of the reading room at the Ohio Historical Center in Columbus. Research assistance via telephone, fax, e-mail, and postal mail will likely be curtailed as well. You can help OHS avoid taking these actions or shorten the duration of the service interruption by: Becoming a member of OHS Making a financial contribution to OHS Telling lawmakers how much you value the death certificate index, and the Ohio Historical Society's other programs and services: Contact your state Ohio legislators Contact Ohio Governor Bob Taft Additional information about the Ohio Historical Society's budget situation can be found here. http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/index.cfm jwc <end>

Go to cobnet.org for more information about Anabaptist groups, including the Brethren, of which there are several groups with differing practices and beliefs. Sharon Mills At 02:09 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, BOB MARCUS wrote: >Claire, I just read Sharon's reply, and I wanted to get an oar in the >water---- Although a very short oar. Greenville, Darke County, had a very >strong element of Brethren, I believe, and they still have the Brethren Home >as an assisted living arrangement. I think that Anabaptist = Brethren, but >I might be wrong. At my mother's burial in 1988 in Greenville, several >people came, still dressing in Brethren clothing (for lack of a better >word). > >My mother taught in a country school and one of her pupils was a gentleman >named Norman Burns who became, among other things, the president of the >American University in Beirut, Lebanon. Upon his return to this country in >the '70's he was writing a book on the Brethren of Darke county. I have no >information further on him, sadly. > >My main reason in writing, is not that you won't get better info from the >DCo group directly. But if you get info off the list, could you let me >know. I'd love to know more about the folks there. Bob > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "CJ Lisa" <cjlisa@worldnet.att.net> >To: <OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:55 PM >Subject: Re: [OHDARKE] > > > > Isn't Darke County, Ohio near Goshen, Geneva, Berne, Indiana, on the >border? > > Is the county also a Mennonite / Anabaptist area for Germans, Swiss and > > others? > > > > I received the above from someone when referencing my father's surname and > > that a cluster of Gigandet had gone from Belfort, FR to Darke County. Can > > anyone tell me whether the above is true or accurate? It would be > > interesting for me to know. > > > > Unfortunately I have not been able to validate my family connection to >Darke > > Cty as I am unable to get family date past my grandfather, but do believe > > that there is some connection. My family is from Vendlincourt, Switz. >which > > is only 19 miles from Belfort. However, I am interested in any >background > > for when I am able to make a connection. > > > > Thank you very much. > > Claire > > > > > > > > ==== OHDARKE Mailing List ==== > > Contact the OHDARKE List administrator at OHDARKE-admin@rootsweb.com > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/darke.html > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, view list archives, etc. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >==== OHDARKE Mailing List ==== >Contact the OHDARKE List administrator at OHDARKE-admin@rootsweb.com >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/darke.html >Subscribe, unsubscribe, view list archives, etc. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

For more information about Anabaptists in Darke Co, check out the archives of the BRETHREN-L@rootsweb.com for the surnames. Or join and ask questions. There were one or two German Baptist congregations in Darke Co, don't know about Mennonite. Often German-speaking settlers searched out an existing church that was German-speaking. There was a lot of movement between the Anabaptist groups. Sharon Mills At 11:40 AM 4/23/2003 -0600, Sharon Butsch Freeland wrote: > >Claire, > >Geneva and Berne are located in Adams County, Indiana, just inside the >Indiana-Ohio state line. Geneva and Berne are about 40 miles >north/northwest of Greenville, Ohio ( the county seat of Darke County ). > >Goshen is located in Elkhart County, Indiana, in the very northern part of >the state ( almost to the Michigan border ). Goshen is about 130 miles >northwest of Greenville, Ohio. > >Someone else on the DCO List will have to help you with your other question >about the Mennonite and Anabaptist settlers in Darke County. My Darke >County ancestors were Methodist and EUB. > > >Sharon Butsch Freeland >Superior, Boulder County, Colorado > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. > > > > >==== OHDARKE Mailing List ==== >Contact the OHDARKE List administrator at OHDARKE-admin@rootsweb.com >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/darke.html >Subscribe, unsubscribe, view list archives, etc. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Please reply ONLY on the Board (link below): ============================================ This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0VB.2ACE/181.2 Message Board Post: These are the children of John and Phebe (Prill) Johnson. John's father was William Johnson (Sr.) of Berkeley County. There is a nice article on the history of that Johnson family that mentions John and Phebe. Phebe's father was John Prill, and I believe I am close to finding the immigrant ancestor. I would like to know more about the Johnson descendants. (I am a Prill descendant.) Email me direct: field@msn.com Al Field Washington, D.C.

In a message dated 4/23/03 11:57:21 AM, cjlisa@worldnet.att.net writes: > Isn't Darke County, Ohio near Goshen, Geneva, Berne, Indiana, on the border? > Is the county also a Mennonite / Annabaptist area for Germans, Swiss and > others? > I suggest a starting point for Darke County research to be; http://www.dcoweb.org/ DICK FOLKERTH Dallas, Texas

I would like to hear from anyone who has any information pertaining to James and Sophia Clemens in Darke County, Ohio, from the early-to-mid 1800's. Both James and Sophia were reportedly former free slaves of my 5th Great Grandfather, Adam Sellers. Originally from Rockingham County, Virginia, they relocated to Ohio in 1817 when my grandfather, Adam Sellers, moved to be with his sons and a daughter in Warren County, Ohio, near Springboro. Adam took James and Sophia to Darke County and provided for their welfare until his death in 1821. In a letter to a cousin in 1887 Adam's grandson, also named Adam Sellers, outlined that Adam had moved to Ohio, stopping for a time in the German Township (now Liberty) in Darke County, Ohio. He spent several months there while his former slaves became established before moving on to Warren County. In an article for the Underground Railroad, the following was written concerning James Clemens, his wife, Sophia, and the farmstead they built in the German Township: "The James and Sophia Clemens Farmstead is one of the oldest and last remaining agricultural resources in one of Ohio's earliest black settlements, Longtown (Greenville settlement). This farmstead was the home of James Clemens (1781-1870), who was the founding father of the settlement, instrumental in starting the first school, donated land for the Wesleyan Church and established a cemetery for the community. The Clemens were also conductors in the Underground Railroad and soldiers in the Civil War. The records of the first landowners of Darke County, Ohio, show that James Clemens was the first free black man to purchase land in German township. Arriving with his wife Sophia in 1818 from Virginia, he soon built a thriving farm business. Sophia's maiden name was Sellers, and she is believed to be the daughter of Adam Sellers of Rockingham County, Virginia the former slave owner of James Clemens." I'm interested in learning more about James and Sophia, their own ancestors, and their descendents. I would love to hear from anyone who descends from them and/or who knows anything about them at all, especially during their time in Rockingham County, Virginia. Any info pertaining to their life, their final resting place, etc., is most welcome! The articles I have read all state that "Sophia's maiden name was Sellers" and that she is "believed to be the daughter of Adam Sellers of Rockingham County, Virginia the former slave owner of James Clemens". In knowing that this Adam Sellers was my 5th Great Grandfather, I'm all the more interested in learning more about James and Sophia. Again, I'd like to hear from anyone who has any information and/or from anyone who has helpful hints or suggestions on where and how to look for more about them. Thanks! Michael Sellers 5th Great Grandson of Adam Sellers

seems to me i recall maybe seeing some Gigandet stuff in Shelby County OH too???? steve koons, dayton, ohio

I lost the e-mail of the person who originally sent this query. Have you tried Google.com? If not, go to their Advanced Search. Under "exact phrase" put in Darke County Ohio. Under "all of the words" put your surname. There were a number of hits on Gigandet including the following biography. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~usbios/Ohio/bios/darke/gigadet.txt Hope this helps. Karen -----Original Message----- From: WD8DCX@aol.com [mailto:WD8DCX@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:36 PM To: OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHDARKE]GIGANDET seems to me i recall maybe seeing some Gigandet stuff in Shelby County OH too???? steve koons, dayton, ohio --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03

Brookville, OH in Montgomery Co just opened a Brethren Heritage Center--the write up in the Brookville Star stated that they had books/papers/Bibles from many different Brethren communities there. Please email me privately if you are interested in further. Angie Hill ahill@shp-dayton.org -----Original Message----- From: BOB MARCUS [mailto:bmarc@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:09 PM To: OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHDARKE] Claire, I just read Sharon's reply, and I wanted to get an oar in the water---- Although a very short oar. Greenville, Darke County, had a very strong element of Brethren, I believe, and they still have the Brethren Home as an assisted living arrangement. I think that Anabaptist = Brethren, but I might be wrong. At my mother's burial in 1988 in Greenville, several people came, still dressing in Brethren clothing (for lack of a better word). My mother taught in a country school and one of her pupils was a gentleman named Norman Burns who became, among other things, the president of the American University in Beirut, Lebanon. Upon his return to this country in the '70's he was writing a book on the Brethren of Darke county. I have no information further on him, sadly. My main reason in writing, is not that you won't get better info from the DCo group directly. But if you get info off the list, could you let me know. I'd love to know more about the folks there. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "CJ Lisa" <cjlisa@worldnet.att.net> To: <OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [OHDARKE] > Isn't Darke County, Ohio near Goshen, Geneva, Berne, Indiana, on the border? > Is the county also a Mennonite / Anabaptist area for Germans, Swiss and > others? > > I received the above from someone when referencing my father's surname and > that a cluster of Gigandet had gone from Belfort, FR to Darke County. Can > anyone tell me whether the above is true or accurate? It would be > interesting for me to know. > > Unfortunately I have not been able to validate my family connection to Darke > Cty as I am unable to get family date past my grandfather, but do believe > that there is some connection. My family is from Vendlincourt, Switz. which > is only 19 miles from Belfort. However, I am interested in any background > for when I am able to make a connection. > > Thank you very much. > Claire > > > > ==== OHDARKE Mailing List ==== > Contact the OHDARKE List administrator at OHDARKE-admin@rootsweb.com > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/darke.html > Subscribe, unsubscribe, view list archives, etc. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== OHDARKE Mailing List ==== Contact the OHDARKE List administrator at OHDARKE-admin@rootsweb.com http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/darke.html Subscribe, unsubscribe, view list archives, etc. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Claire, I just read Sharon's reply, and I wanted to get an oar in the water---- Although a very short oar. Greenville, Darke County, had a very strong element of Brethren, I believe, and they still have the Brethren Home as an assisted living arrangement. I think that Anabaptist = Brethren, but I might be wrong. At my mother's burial in 1988 in Greenville, several people came, still dressing in Brethren clothing (for lack of a better word). My mother taught in a country school and one of her pupils was a gentleman named Norman Burns who became, among other things, the president of the American University in Beirut, Lebanon. Upon his return to this country in the '70's he was writing a book on the Brethren of Darke county. I have no information further on him, sadly. My main reason in writing, is not that you won't get better info from the DCo group directly. But if you get info off the list, could you let me know. I'd love to know more about the folks there. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "CJ Lisa" <cjlisa@worldnet.att.net> To: <OHDARKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [OHDARKE] > Isn't Darke County, Ohio near Goshen, Geneva, Berne, Indiana, on the border? > Is the county also a Mennonite / Anabaptist area for Germans, Swiss and > others? > > I received the above from someone when referencing my father's surname and > that a cluster of Gigandet had gone from Belfort, FR to Darke County. Can > anyone tell me whether the above is true or accurate? It would be > interesting for me to know. > > Unfortunately I have not been able to validate my family connection to Darke > Cty as I am unable to get family date past my grandfather, but do believe > that there is some connection. My family is from Vendlincourt, Switz. which > is only 19 miles from Belfort. However, I am interested in any background > for when I am able to make a connection. > > Thank you very much. > Claire > > > > ==== OHDARKE Mailing List ==== > Contact the OHDARKE List administrator at OHDARKE-admin@rootsweb.com > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/darke.html > Subscribe, unsubscribe, view list archives, etc. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >