You didn't put any of the children's name down. Could this possibly be them in the 1920 census? If so, it may help you find them. 12-wd Cleveland. SABOLOVIC, Joseph, 38, Married, immigrated 1907, first papers filed, b. Croatia, car repairer, car barn Katherine, wife, immigrated 1909, alien, b. Croatia Mary,daughter, 10, b. PA John, son, 9, b. PA Steve, son, 6, b. OH Josephine, daughter, 4 11/12, b. OH Martin, son, 2 3/12, b. OH MARTINCIC, George, 51, boarder, immigrated 1900, b. Croatia, laborer, foundry BLAHOVIC, Frank, 35, immig. 1900, b. Croatia, foreman, blast furnace SLIVA, John, 31, immig. 1912, laborer, blast furnace SA ---- Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello Roberta, > > Yes there is every chance of finding Croatian ancestors.. there are 2 Josip (=Joseph) SABOLOVIC (sounds like shahbohlohvich) arr at Ellis Is one in 1913 from Rijeka going to Middletown Ohio the other arr 1905 age 24 going to PA... both are listed as being married the one arr age 30 from Gjurdevac in 1913 listed his wife ad Jela (yela=Helen). > > And there is a Kata (kahtah= Kate diminuntive of Katarina arr 1906 age 22 destination E. Liverpool to father? brother? Ivan (eevon=John) PEREC her former residence Kasljavac which is not too far from Gjurdevac (sp today Durdevac) > > If you want you may email be direct at rjerin26@yahoo.com > > Oh and POSOVAD is not a likely sp it may be POSAVEC, POSOVAC, POSAVAC, POSAVEC > > Robert Jerin > Croatian Heritage Museum > Cleveland Ohio > > bisforbooks <bisforbooks@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Well, Robert, you did ask ;=) > > My paternal grandmother and grandfather came here to Ohio prior to 1913. > But not very much prior. My grandfather died in the 1920's. My grandmother > died in the 1970's. My father died in 1949 (age 36). His one sister moved > to Oregon and another brother and sister moved to Florida. I believe they > are all deceased. I think I might have my grandfather's death certificate, > but it only states that he and his wife were born in Europe. > > My grandfather's name was Joseph Sabolovich and my grandmother's name was > Katarina either Posovec or Posovad. Is there any hope of ever finding > ancestors? Where do I go? I tried to obtain my father's baptismal record > from a lady that looks them up for the Catholic Churches. I wasn't certain > if he was baptised at St. Jerome or St. Monica. The lady I corresponded > with seemed to believe it was more than likely St. Jerome. I have never > heard back from her. > > If you have any suggestions as to how to proceed, I would be very greatful, > indeed. Thank you for your time. > > Roberta Sabol Chapin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Jerin" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:15 AM > Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Central and East Europeans in Cleveland > > > > Cleveland (area) has had one of the largest influx of Slavic people from > Central and Eastern Europe of any city in the US. Up into the 1960s > immigration of peoples from that region continued at a slowed but still > repectable pace, with many leaving their communist run homelands and some > escaping as political prisoners. With improved economic conditions all over > Europe in the 1960s many went to Germany and other free countries. The fall > (mostly due to internal reasons) of communism left many economies in > shambles and also opened the doors to the west. Europeans continue to be > our largest immigrant group (with many coming from Russia (both Christian > and Jewish) and Bosnian-Croats fleeing there centuries old Croatian homeland > in Bosnia. Approximately 50,000 people in NE Ohio are either from > Croatia/Bosnia or are descendants of immigrants from those nations. Some > folks are not aware of their Croatian heritage! Many believe they are > "Yugoslav" (an ethnic group that is > > non-existant!), Hungarian, Austrian or Italian. The major reason for > this may be that prior to 1918 the King/Queens of the Habsburg Empire (aka > Austria-Hungary) were also King/Queen of Croatia and after 1918 Croatia was > placed into the newly founded Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes and then > in 1929 it would be offically called Yugoslavia. > > > > Surnames in Croatia typically follow the 7 categories of surnames as do > most European countries; 1) occupational (ie KOVAC = smith) , 2) patronymic > (ie Ivanic = johnson), 3) matronymic KATIC (ie Kateson) , 4) locative (ie > Bosanac = someone from Bosnia), 5) from nature (ie Hren = son of horse > radish_ , 6) from foreign words (HARAMIJA = a turish warrior), 7) invented > > > > If someone is researching Croatian (inc Serb ethnicity) or Bosnian > families please feel free to contact me if you need help. > > > > Robert Jerin > > Croatian Heritage Museum > > Cleveland Ohio > > > > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > > Please remember to change your subject lines to correspond with your > message and capitalize all surnames. > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. 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Oh WOW! Eureka! Where is the 1920 census? This is my family! Thank you very much for looking them up for me. Robert Jerin was correct in everything he told me. They are both Croatain. What a find! Thank you both for all your help. I mailed to St. Jerome Church today for my father's baptismal record as Ceal had suggested. ----- Original Message ----- From: <khorne@adelphia.net> To: <OHCUYAHO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Sabolovich and Posovad (Posovec?) > You didn't put any of the children's name down. Could this possibly be them in the 1920 census? If so, it may help you find them. > > 12-wd Cleveland. > SABOLOVIC, Joseph, 38, Married, immigrated 1907, first papers filed, b. Croatia, car repairer, car barn > Katherine, wife, immigrated 1909, alien, b. Croatia > Mary,daughter, 10, b. PA > John, son, 9, b. PA > Steve, son, 6, b. OH > Josephine, daughter, 4 11/12, b. OH > Martin, son, 2 3/12, b. OH > MARTINCIC, George, 51, boarder, immigrated 1900, b. Croatia, laborer, foundry > BLAHOVIC, Frank, 35, immig. 1900, b. Croatia, foreman, blast furnace > SLIVA, John, 31, immig. 1912, laborer, blast furnace > > SA > ---- Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hello Roberta, > > > > Yes there is every chance of finding Croatian ancestors.. there are 2 Josip (=Joseph) SABOLOVIC (sounds like shahbohlohvich) arr at Ellis Is one in 1913 from Rijeka going to Middletown Ohio the other arr 1905 age 24 going to PA... both are listed as being married the one arr age 30 from Gjurdevac in 1913 listed his wife ad Jela (yela=Helen). > > > > And there is a Kata (kahtah= Kate diminuntive of Katarina arr 1906 age 22 destination E. Liverpool to father? brother? Ivan (eevon=John) PEREC her former residence Kasljavac which is not too far from Gjurdevac (sp today Durdevac) > > > > If you want you may email be direct at rjerin26@yahoo.com > > > > Oh and POSOVAD is not a likely sp it may be POSAVEC, POSOVAC, POSAVAC, POSAVEC > > > > Robert Jerin > > Croatian Heritage Museum > > Cleveland Ohio > > > > bisforbooks <bisforbooks@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Well, Robert, you did ask ;=) > > > > My paternal grandmother and grandfather came here to Ohio prior to 1913. > > But not very much prior. My grandfather died in the 1920's. My grandmother > > died in the 1970's. My father died in 1949 (age 36). His one sister moved > > to Oregon and another brother and sister moved to Florida. I believe they > > are all deceased. I think I might have my grandfather's death certificate, > > but it only states that he and his wife were born in Europe. > > > > My grandfather's name was Joseph Sabolovich and my grandmother's name was > > Katarina either Posovec or Posovad. Is there any hope of ever finding > > ancestors? Where do I go? I tried to obtain my father's baptismal record > > from a lady that looks them up for the Catholic Churches. I wasn't certain > > if he was baptised at St. Jerome or St. Monica. The lady I corresponded > > with seemed to believe it was more than likely St. Jerome. I have never > > heard back from her. > > > > If you have any suggestions as to how to proceed, I would be very greatful, > > indeed. Thank you for your time. > > > > Roberta Sabol Chapin > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Jerin" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:15 AM > > Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Central and East Europeans in Cleveland > > > > > > > Cleveland (area) has had one of the largest influx of Slavic people from > > Central and Eastern Europe of any city in the US. Up into the 1960s > > immigration of peoples from that region continued at a slowed but still > > repectable pace, with many leaving their communist run homelands and some > > escaping as political prisoners. With improved economic conditions all over > > Europe in the 1960s many went to Germany and other free countries. The fall > > (mostly due to internal reasons) of communism left many economies in > > shambles and also opened the doors to the west. Europeans continue to be > > our largest immigrant group (with many coming from Russia (both Christian > > and Jewish) and Bosnian-Croats fleeing there centuries old Croatian homeland > > in Bosnia. Approximately 50,000 people in NE Ohio are either from > > Croatia/Bosnia or are descendants of immigrants from those nations. Some > > folks are not aware of their Croatian heritage! Many believe they are > > "Yugoslav" (an ethnic group that is > > > non-existant!), Hungarian, Austrian or Italian. The major reason for > > this may be that prior to 1918 the King/Queens of the Habsburg Empire (aka > > Austria-Hungary) were also King/Queen of Croatia and after 1918 Croatia was > > placed into the newly founded Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes and then > > in 1929 it would be offically called Yugoslavia. > > > > > > Surnames in Croatia typically follow the 7 categories of surnames as do > > most European countries; 1) occupational (ie KOVAC = smith) , 2) patronymic > > (ie Ivanic = johnson), 3) matronymic KATIC (ie Kateson) , 4) locative (ie > > Bosanac = someone from Bosnia), 5) from nature (ie Hren = son of horse > > radish_ , 6) from foreign words (HARAMIJA = a turish warrior), 7) invented > > > > > > If someone is researching Croatian (inc Serb ethnicity) or Bosnian > > families please feel free to contact me if you need help. > > > > > > Robert Jerin > > > Croatian Heritage Museum > > > Cleveland Ohio > > > > > > > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > > > Please remember to change your subject lines to correspond with your > > message and capitalize all surnames. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > > If you have Cuyahoga County data to share or own any books > > that you could offer lookups in, please the County Coordinator via email at (katemcclellan@vintagerecollections.com). > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > > Please remember to change your subject lines to correspond with your message and capitalize all surnames. > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. 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