In a message dated 7/21/2004 10:39:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, bmcintosh@new.rr.com writes: The brothers are known to have had Social Security numbers; in the case of the oldest I have his actual S.S. application record. However, when I did a search for the birth records (using a complete birth date) via the Cuyahoga County Archives as well as the LDS/FHL films I came up empty handed. Hi Bette! I sent exact dates for lots of birth records to the Archives and they only found some of them. I don't know why but I guess their records are incomplete. Ceal