In a message dated 1/7/2005 2:25:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, b.amburgey@worldnet.att.net writes: always use the format 01/01/1850 ( or whatever year you want) as the start date. Thanks Barb, I think was not using the 01/01/1850, I would just try 18 whatever <G>anyway with that I am not getting the nasty message <G> Okay, got lovely deeds for gguncle <G> works beautifully, never thought I would get an actual image! Eliz