Sabrina: Though the Hiram Bartholomew of Ashtabula County may not be an exact match to yours, here are some points to ponder. Whenever I have such brick walls, I look at all the male child names within a family as they are easiest to track in the US Census. Generally I begin with the most unusual or uncommon baptismal name, in your case Chauncey. Include Soundex searches for surnames. Then I begin a search of each of those names, noting census years, counties and states. What I seek is some sort of migration pattern for the family and sibling names. Even if the birth years do not match, many baptismal names survived among related family members depending on relationships and ethnic practices. In doing so with your BARTHOLMEW names, I have determined the following from reasonable assumption thus some possible error. Your BARTHOLOMEW line could have been Dutch or Irish. If Dutch, look to Philadelphia for immigrant ancestor, possibly associated with a Jacob Bartholomew, born 1678 Rotterdam, Holland, died 1713 Middleburgh New York. If Irish, look to New York and Connecticut as possible first settlements of immigrant ancestor. Family names closely associated with military service, including garrison at West Point and Civil War soldiers of New York and Ohio. May be connected to the HARPER family who founded Harpersfield, Delaware County, NY and Harpersfield, Ashtabula County, OH. Possible family migrations indicated from NY to Ashtabula, Cuyahoga, Medina and Portage counties of Ohio, then perhaps to MI and IL. Hope this helps Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: <ohcuyaho-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:01 AM Subject: OHCUYAHO Digest, Vol 3, Issue 183 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OHCUYAHO Digest, Vol 3, Issue 182 (Dennis Murphy) > 2. Re: Bartholomew Brick Wall (Sabrina Stradtner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:24:08 -0400 > From: "Dennis Murphy" <dmurphy595@wildblue.net> > Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] OHCUYAHO Digest, Vol 3, Issue 182 > To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1761994741FB44519B7758BE425C0CBC@dennisdbd68d77> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > If they were farmers, as many were, check the neighboring states such as > Indiana and Michigan, as many moved on to more fertile fields. > > If you are using Ancestry, try the Soundex setting for the name as census > takers are notorious for bad spellings. > > Also many early Ohio settlers came from Connecticut so check there for all > BARTHOLOMEW names, also with Soundex. > > PS: There is a Hiram, about the same age, with father Lorenzo, in > Ashtabula > County, Ohio in time frame censuses. > > Good Hunting > > > Dennis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ohcuyaho-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:01 AM > Subject: OHCUYAHO Digest, Vol 3, Issue 182 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Bartholomew Brick Wall (Sabrina Stradtner) >> 2. Genealogy Class To Discuss Overlooked Sources (Wallace Huskonen) >> 3. Re: Bartholomew Brick Wall (BARSTORM@aol.com) >> 4. Re: Bartholomew Brick Wall (BARSTORM@aol.com) >> 5. Re: Bartholomew Brick Wall (BARSTORM@aol.com) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:49:21 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Sabrina Stradtner <sstradtnerpcpls@yahoo.com> >> Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Bartholomew Brick Wall >> To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <310570.37379.qm@web44915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I'm asking for any help or ideas that may get me past my greatest brick >> wall. Hiram Bartholomew was born in 2 March 1842 (or there about) in >> Berea, OH. His parents, to my knowledge, were Stephen Bartholomew and >> Hannah Grandy (Grande). They married in Cuyahoga County in 1841. Hiram >> had a brother Chauncey and possibly a sister Mary. According to his >> obituary his mother died when he was five (abt. 1847) and his father died >> when he was nine (abt. 1851). I cannot find Hiram or any of this family >> in the1850 census. I know nothing about his parents' parents, beyond >> that >> his grandfather Bartholomew may have lived in Bradford, PA (I don't know >> a >> given name for him). Hiram is in Cuyahoga County in 1860 living with a >> Spencer family. He serves in the Civil War in the 23rd Regiment from >> Ohio. I even have letters he wrote to the Spencers, however, it is never >> clear if they are family or just a family who took him in. Eventually he >> moves out of the area. >> >> I would like to know what happened to his parents and who their parents >> were. I'm not sure where they died, but since he is still in Cuyahoga >> County in 1860 I have thought they may have died there. I'm guessing >> they >> may not have tombstones. I've had them search the death records at the >> Archives, but have not found anything yet. Not living in the area, I >> think I have exhausted the resources available to me and would like to >> know what other options there maybe or if anyone has run across these >> names before. Thanks in advance. >> >> >> Sabrina M. Stradtner >> Genealogy Clerk >> Porter County Public Library System >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:35:44 -0400 >> From: "Wallace Huskonen" <whuskonen@roadrunner.com> >> Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Genealogy Class To Discuss Overlooked Sources >> To: <whuskonen@roadrunner.com> >> Message-ID: <1F370A80EB3A4DE0AB362E3716ED1E17@laptopd> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: >> >> >> >> WHAT: >> >> Genealogy Class on Overlooked Sources >> >> >> >> WHEN: >> >> Saturday, October 4, 2008 -- 12:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m. >> >> >> >> WHERE: >> >> Western Reserve Historical Society Library, 10825 East Blvd., Cleveland >> OH >> 44106 >> >> At University Circle >> >> >> >> SUBJECT: >> >> Topics to be covered include family histories, church records, city and >> county directories, institutional records, school records, migration >> patterns, newspapers, court records, periodicals, Recorder's Office, and >> more. >> >> >> >> COST: >> >> $15 with a $5 late fee for reservations after May 26th >> >> >> >> FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: >> >> Roger Ellsworth (216) 229-7887 or arby69@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> >> This class is part of the Genealogical Institute 2008 sponsored by The >> Genealogical Committee, a working auxiliary of the Western Reserve >> Historical Society, whose purpose is to further the study of genealogy >> through meetings, lectures, seminars, and workshops; and to provide >> financial support in the acquisition of appropriate materials and >> equipment >> for the genealogical collections of the Society's Library. >> >> >> >> Contact: Wallace Huskonen, Publicity Chairman >> >> 9240 Meadow Lane, Brecksville, OH >> >> (440) 526-1238 whuskonen@roadrunner.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:22:28 EDT >> From: BARSTORM@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Bartholomew Brick Wall >> To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <c1d.4c520607.360bc344@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> I have a Mary Bartholomew who was born 12-14-1895 but I do not know >> where. >> She married Arba Simonds and they lived in Green Island, N.y >> >> >> >> **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial >> challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, >> tips >> and >> calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:24:25 EDT >> From: BARSTORM@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Bartholomew Brick Wall >> To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <c00.43ad16a4.360bc3b9@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> I'm sorry I forgot to tell you her parents were Walter Bartholomew and >> Bridget O'Rourke Bartholomew. >> >> >> >> **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial >> challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, >> tips >> and >> calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:25:49 EDT >> From: BARSTORM@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Bartholomew Brick Wall >> To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <ccb.36d7f39e.360bc40d@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> I have a Mary Bartholomew who married Arba Simonds lived in Green Island >> N.y. She was born 12-14-1895 >> >> >> >> **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial >> challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, >> tips >> and >> calculators. 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My Mary, if one existed, > would have been born between 1841 to 1847 or so. > > Dennis, I've looked into that Hiram before and it is not a match. I > actually know a lot about him past the Civil War. I'm just stuck on his > parents. Since I know he was born in the Cleveland area and lived there > until about 1870 it would make some sense for his parents to have died > there, but I really know nothing about them at all besides names and > possible death years. Indications are they may have been born in New York > or Pennsylvania. This is probably a wall I'll never fully crack. I've > been at it for a few years now. Thanks for ideas, though. > > Sabrina > > > Sabrina M. Stradtner > Genealogy Clerk > Porter County Public Library System > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "BARSTORM@aol.com" <BARSTORM@aol.com> > To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:25:49 AM > Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Bartholomew Brick Wall > > I have a Mary Bartholomew who married Arba Simonds lived in Green Island > N.y. She was born 12-14-1895 > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. 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