I, too, am sorry to see the site removed. Is there any legal recourse such as for copyright infringement? Would you be interested in assembling the material from the website for a book? Just curious, as I am a freelance writer/editor in Cleveland Heights. Contact me off list if you are interested. Nancy L. -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gina Ramsey Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:18 PM To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website Pat, I am in the web site development business and I am so sorry to see what has happened to you and your site. It is a shame that people are like that. I see it every day. Although I never used the site I do appreciate all of the work that you did and am sorry to see that your project will never be realized. Gina ----- Original Message ----- From: <patcle67857@peoplepc.com> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > Hello All, > > Tomorrow would have been the "Cleveland's Southside" website's second > anniversary. In that time the site had over 27,000 hits and 52 > contributors. I say would have been because this weekend we permanently > removed "Cleveland's Southside" from the Web. > > For the past year we have been aware that a few persons representing a > "quasi" historical group have been taking articles from the site, changing > them by transposing a few sentences or adding words and posting the > revised article to their own site with a bogus source listed. This group > is now actively soliciting members to their group and charging a yearly > membership fee. As an incentive to join they are promising a quarterly > newsletter. The newsletter would have used material from our website > without our permission. We have always stated our material was for > personal use only and was not to be copied to another website nor sold. > > We worked very hard to keep our site free of advertising and sign-in > requirements, cognizant of our audience who may not appreciate the clutter > of flashing banners or the asking of information. Some of our articles > took weeks to research and we were proud of our source material. Other > articles and photos were included only after we were able to obtain the > present day holder's permission and paying a "user fee." That fee was, in > some cases, very expensive. > > "Cleveland's Southside" was our first born and we watched it grow and > mature, reaching persons whose ages ranged from their early teens to their > 90s. Making the decision to "pull the plug" was extrememly hard. We have > no plans on bringing it back. I want to share with you a portion of an > email we received from one of our contributors who experienced a similiar > problem as ours, but his was before the popularity of online resources > (which makes taking and using material as your own more prevalent.) > > "How sad, that anyone would take what is not their history or their story, > and use it. In the 90's, when I was doing my AIDS work, I wrote a eulogy > for a remarkable young man (Bobby) and his family. He was extremely > popular and over 300 people attended the service. One of his casual > friends told he was so moved by it..he wondered because he was HIV if I > would give him a copy, which I did. A year later, I was at UCLA talking > with one of Bobby's doctors who remembered me bringing him for care--and > then mentioned that he was glad to see what I had spoken about at Bobby's > funeral had been published and that it had earned me a Master's degree. I > looked at him and said, "what are you talking about?" Long story short, > that young man, used my eulogy as his Master's thesis. I had worked on it > for days, including things from Bobby's life that he had shared and what > his family had shared with me. With some trouble I was able to contact > this character and his response to me was t! > hat he could not understand my anger or disappointment...as he had done > something with it that I never would have done, and if I was that > concerned I never should have given him the copy...to this day, I still > cannot believe that he took full credit for it. Of course, Bobby's family > and close friends knew...but it appears such people are everywhere, and > that saddens me Pat. I am in the final years of my life....and there is > much about the world that saddens me." > Jimmy Hughes > > We are very sorry if taking the site off-line is an inconvenience to > anyone. We knew the risks of uploading such a history inclusive site and > had hoped for the best, but enough was enough and we let it go. Thank you > if you took the time to read this longish message. Thank you too, if you > visited our site, looked and explored but did not take. > > Yours, > Pat Schmidt > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Nancy, The material from the site is already in an outline and we are in the process of contacting all of our contributors and "holder's of material and photos." Our contributors are a tad angry, as I am so I can't blame them for whatever they want to vent, and their cooperation may take on a whole new meaning of patience. Dealing and re-negotiating with the holder's of material and photos is going to take a while and may not be to our advantage cost-wise. We paid for Internet use for some of our photos and copyrighted material and the cost was "Wow" in some cases. We will have to pay again for a different use--book/publication. This may prove to be too much. We are self-publishing. We will have more control and a better percentage of profits, if any. As to your question on any legal recourse; you probably know the answer to that one already. I am going to keep you as an active resource if I may. If I should start to resemble the character in Edvard Munch's painting "The Scream" I may want someone who can help in the assembly and beyond. Thank you so much for writing. Yours, Pat Schmidt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Ann Lee" <nanlee216@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > I, too, am sorry to see the site removed. Is there any legal recourse such > as for copyright infringement? > > Would you be interested in assembling the material from the website for a > book? Just curious, as I am a freelance writer/editor in Cleveland > Heights. > Contact me off list if you are interested. > > Nancy L. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Gina Ramsey > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:18 PM > To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > > Pat, > > I am in the web site development business and I am so sorry to see what > has > happened to you and your site. It is a shame that people are like that. I > see it every day. Although I never used the site I do appreciate all of > the > work that you did and am sorry to see that your project will never be > realized. > > Gina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <patcle67857@peoplepc.com> > To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:39 AM > Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > > >> Hello All, >> >> Tomorrow would have been the "Cleveland's Southside" website's second >> anniversary. In that time the site had over 27,000 hits and 52 >> contributors. I say would have been because this weekend we permanently >> removed "Cleveland's Southside" from the Web. >> >> For the past year we have been aware that a few persons representing a >> "quasi" historical group have been taking articles from the site, >> changing > >> them by transposing a few sentences or adding words and posting the >> revised article to their own site with a bogus source listed. This group >> is now actively soliciting members to their group and charging a yearly >> membership fee. As an incentive to join they are promising a quarterly >> newsletter. The newsletter would have used material from our website >> without our permission. We have always stated our material was for >> personal use only and was not to be copied to another website nor sold. >> >> We worked very hard to keep our site free of advertising and sign-in >> requirements, cognizant of our audience who may not appreciate the >> clutter > >> of flashing banners or the asking of information. Some of our articles >> took weeks to research and we were proud of our source material. Other >> articles and photos were included only after we were able to obtain the >> present day holder's permission and paying a "user fee." That fee was, >> in > >> some cases, very expensive. >> >> "Cleveland's Southside" was our first born and we watched it grow and >> mature, reaching persons whose ages ranged from their early teens to >> their > >> 90s. Making the decision to "pull the plug" was extrememly hard. We >> have > >> no plans on bringing it back. I want to share with you a portion of an >> email we received from one of our contributors who experienced a similiar >> problem as ours, but his was before the popularity of online resources >> (which makes taking and using material as your own more prevalent.) >> >> "How sad, that anyone would take what is not their history or their >> story, > >> and use it. In the 90's, when I was doing my AIDS work, I wrote a eulogy >> for a remarkable young man (Bobby) and his family. He was extremely >> popular and over 300 people attended the service. One of his casual >> friends told he was so moved by it..he wondered because he was HIV if I >> would give him a copy, which I did. A year later, I was at UCLA talking >> with one of Bobby's doctors who remembered me bringing him for care--and >> then mentioned that he was glad to see what I had spoken about at Bobby's >> funeral had been published and that it had earned me a Master's degree. >> I > >> looked at him and said, "what are you talking about?" Long story short, >> that young man, used my eulogy as his Master's thesis. I had worked on >> it > >> for days, including things from Bobby's life that he had shared and what >> his family had shared with me. With some trouble I was able to contact >> this character and his response to me was t! >> hat he could not understand my anger or disappointment...as he had done >> something with it that I never would have done, and if I was that >> concerned I never should have given him the copy...to this day, I still >> cannot believe that he took full credit for it. Of course, Bobby's >> family > >> and close friends knew...but it appears such people are everywhere, and >> that saddens me Pat. I am in the final years of my life....and there is >> much about the world that saddens me." >> Jimmy Hughes >> >> We are very sorry if taking the site off-line is an inconvenience to >> anyone. We knew the risks of uploading such a history inclusive site and >> had hoped for the best, but enough was enough and we let it go. Thank >> you > >> if you took the time to read this longish message. Thank you too, if you >> visited our site, looked and explored but did not take. >> >> Yours, >> Pat Schmidt >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message