Dear Nancy, The material from the site is already in an outline and we are in the process of contacting all of our contributors and "holder's of material and photos." Our contributors are a tad angry, as I am so I can't blame them for whatever they want to vent, and their cooperation may take on a whole new meaning of patience. Dealing and re-negotiating with the holder's of material and photos is going to take a while and may not be to our advantage cost-wise. We paid for Internet use for some of our photos and copyrighted material and the cost was "Wow" in some cases. We will have to pay again for a different use--book/publication. This may prove to be too much. We are self-publishing. We will have more control and a better percentage of profits, if any. As to your question on any legal recourse; you probably know the answer to that one already. I am going to keep you as an active resource if I may. If I should start to resemble the character in Edvard Munch's painting "The Scream" I may want someone who can help in the assembly and beyond. Thank you so much for writing. Yours, Pat Schmidt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Ann Lee" <nanlee216@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > I, too, am sorry to see the site removed. Is there any legal recourse such > as for copyright infringement? > > Would you be interested in assembling the material from the website for a > book? Just curious, as I am a freelance writer/editor in Cleveland > Heights. > Contact me off list if you are interested. > > Nancy L. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Gina Ramsey > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:18 PM > To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > > Pat, > > I am in the web site development business and I am so sorry to see what > has > happened to you and your site. It is a shame that people are like that. I > see it every day. Although I never used the site I do appreciate all of > the > work that you did and am sorry to see that your project will never be > realized. > > Gina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <patcle67857@peoplepc.com> > To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:39 AM > Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > > >> Hello All, >> >> Tomorrow would have been the "Cleveland's Southside" website's second >> anniversary. In that time the site had over 27,000 hits and 52 >> contributors. I say would have been because this weekend we permanently >> removed "Cleveland's Southside" from the Web. >> >> For the past year we have been aware that a few persons representing a >> "quasi" historical group have been taking articles from the site, >> changing > >> them by transposing a few sentences or adding words and posting the >> revised article to their own site with a bogus source listed. This group >> is now actively soliciting members to their group and charging a yearly >> membership fee. As an incentive to join they are promising a quarterly >> newsletter. The newsletter would have used material from our website >> without our permission. We have always stated our material was for >> personal use only and was not to be copied to another website nor sold. >> >> We worked very hard to keep our site free of advertising and sign-in >> requirements, cognizant of our audience who may not appreciate the >> clutter > >> of flashing banners or the asking of information. Some of our articles >> took weeks to research and we were proud of our source material. Other >> articles and photos were included only after we were able to obtain the >> present day holder's permission and paying a "user fee." That fee was, >> in > >> some cases, very expensive. >> >> "Cleveland's Southside" was our first born and we watched it grow and >> mature, reaching persons whose ages ranged from their early teens to >> their > >> 90s. Making the decision to "pull the plug" was extrememly hard. We >> have > >> no plans on bringing it back. I want to share with you a portion of an >> email we received from one of our contributors who experienced a similiar >> problem as ours, but his was before the popularity of online resources >> (which makes taking and using material as your own more prevalent.) >> >> "How sad, that anyone would take what is not their history or their >> story, > >> and use it. In the 90's, when I was doing my AIDS work, I wrote a eulogy >> for a remarkable young man (Bobby) and his family. He was extremely >> popular and over 300 people attended the service. One of his casual >> friends told he was so moved by it..he wondered because he was HIV if I >> would give him a copy, which I did. A year later, I was at UCLA talking >> with one of Bobby's doctors who remembered me bringing him for care--and >> then mentioned that he was glad to see what I had spoken about at Bobby's >> funeral had been published and that it had earned me a Master's degree. >> I > >> looked at him and said, "what are you talking about?" Long story short, >> that young man, used my eulogy as his Master's thesis. I had worked on >> it > >> for days, including things from Bobby's life that he had shared and what >> his family had shared with me. With some trouble I was able to contact >> this character and his response to me was t! >> hat he could not understand my anger or disappointment...as he had done >> something with it that I never would have done, and if I was that >> concerned I never should have given him the copy...to this day, I still >> cannot believe that he took full credit for it. Of course, Bobby's >> family > >> and close friends knew...but it appears such people are everywhere, and >> that saddens me Pat. I am in the final years of my life....and there is >> much about the world that saddens me." >> Jimmy Hughes >> >> We are very sorry if taking the site off-line is an inconvenience to >> anyone. We knew the risks of uploading such a history inclusive site and >> had hoped for the best, but enough was enough and we let it go. Thank >> you > >> if you took the time to read this longish message. Thank you too, if you >> visited our site, looked and explored but did not take. >> >> Yours, >> Pat Schmidt >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you to the Cohen's.? As usual, you have very good and practical advice!? I am going to access that now while I still can.? Thanks for the information! -----Original Message----- From: the cohens <the.cohens.in.california@gmail.com> To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 1:40 am Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website I hope my post will not upset the apple cart. Until google's robot discovers the site has disappeared, the cache of it's pages are still available to those who are interested, by doing a site search at google with the following as one long keyword: site:http://bluetreeart.com/ClevelandSouthside I do not have time to read all 40 pages google has cached now, but those of you wanting to read them still can do so. It is a shame that copywrite infringement has occurred. Pat, have you considered setting the site up with password protection for people you screen first and trust, having them sign a short, clear agreement that they will abide by your rules? After all that work by so many people, it seems important to find some way to make it accessible to honest folk. Those interested in web copywrite issues may want to consider joining the copywrite mailing list at rootsweb. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I, too, am sorry to see the site removed. Is there any legal recourse such as for copyright infringement? Would you be interested in assembling the material from the website for a book? Just curious, as I am a freelance writer/editor in Cleveland Heights. Contact me off list if you are interested. Nancy L. -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gina Ramsey Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:18 PM To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website Pat, I am in the web site development business and I am so sorry to see what has happened to you and your site. It is a shame that people are like that. I see it every day. Although I never used the site I do appreciate all of the work that you did and am sorry to see that your project will never be realized. Gina ----- Original Message ----- From: <patcle67857@peoplepc.com> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > Hello All, > > Tomorrow would have been the "Cleveland's Southside" website's second > anniversary. In that time the site had over 27,000 hits and 52 > contributors. I say would have been because this weekend we permanently > removed "Cleveland's Southside" from the Web. > > For the past year we have been aware that a few persons representing a > "quasi" historical group have been taking articles from the site, changing > them by transposing a few sentences or adding words and posting the > revised article to their own site with a bogus source listed. This group > is now actively soliciting members to their group and charging a yearly > membership fee. As an incentive to join they are promising a quarterly > newsletter. The newsletter would have used material from our website > without our permission. We have always stated our material was for > personal use only and was not to be copied to another website nor sold. > > We worked very hard to keep our site free of advertising and sign-in > requirements, cognizant of our audience who may not appreciate the clutter > of flashing banners or the asking of information. Some of our articles > took weeks to research and we were proud of our source material. Other > articles and photos were included only after we were able to obtain the > present day holder's permission and paying a "user fee." That fee was, in > some cases, very expensive. > > "Cleveland's Southside" was our first born and we watched it grow and > mature, reaching persons whose ages ranged from their early teens to their > 90s. Making the decision to "pull the plug" was extrememly hard. We have > no plans on bringing it back. I want to share with you a portion of an > email we received from one of our contributors who experienced a similiar > problem as ours, but his was before the popularity of online resources > (which makes taking and using material as your own more prevalent.) > > "How sad, that anyone would take what is not their history or their story, > and use it. In the 90's, when I was doing my AIDS work, I wrote a eulogy > for a remarkable young man (Bobby) and his family. He was extremely > popular and over 300 people attended the service. One of his casual > friends told he was so moved by it..he wondered because he was HIV if I > would give him a copy, which I did. A year later, I was at UCLA talking > with one of Bobby's doctors who remembered me bringing him for care--and > then mentioned that he was glad to see what I had spoken about at Bobby's > funeral had been published and that it had earned me a Master's degree. I > looked at him and said, "what are you talking about?" Long story short, > that young man, used my eulogy as his Master's thesis. I had worked on it > for days, including things from Bobby's life that he had shared and what > his family had shared with me. With some trouble I was able to contact > this character and his response to me was t! > hat he could not understand my anger or disappointment...as he had done > something with it that I never would have done, and if I was that > concerned I never should have given him the copy...to this day, I still > cannot believe that he took full credit for it. Of course, Bobby's family > and close friends knew...but it appears such people are everywhere, and > that saddens me Pat. I am in the final years of my life....and there is > much about the world that saddens me." > Jimmy Hughes > > We are very sorry if taking the site off-line is an inconvenience to > anyone. We knew the risks of uploading such a history inclusive site and > had hoped for the best, but enough was enough and we let it go. Thank you > if you took the time to read this longish message. Thank you too, if you > visited our site, looked and explored but did not take. > > Yours, > Pat Schmidt > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Peggy, Is this what you meant? Here is the URL for the copyright mailing list: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/COPYRIGHT.html Some also consider this mailing list OHCUYAHO that we are on to be a forum. On 10/15/08, Peggy <pjf@phonewave.net> wrote: >... I am very interested in the > forum you mentioned. Please forward information on that if possible. >
Hello Pat: Just learning about your website too late, I am sad to know I may have missed on some valuable genealogy info. My Fathers' family lived in Cuyahoga County since 1858 and have a burial site in Riverside Cemetery. Eventho, I had found a lot of data on them, I can not find the maiden name of my G G Grandmother. She was previous married before marrying my GG Grandfather with a small son with her. I have requested and received marriage license that does not give me any clue on her maiden name. I am interested in the book you mentioned may be published and is their anyone that could help me or give suggestion what to look for? My Ohio family are: Berrington, Kinghorn, Austin, Preslan, Dalzell (GGGrandmothers married surname. Thank you for listening and I am so sorry there are people that are unethical and useless to anyone than themselves. I am very interested in the forum you mentioned. Please forward information on that if possible. Peggy (Berrington)Ferrier, Nevada pjf@phonewave.net -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of patcle67857@peoplepc.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:37 AM To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website Good morning, I would like to send a "thank you" to most of you who have sent messages and offered comments on Cleveland's Southside. The crux of the message was this because one or two of you may have missed the point. We who do websites are aware out material is floating out in cyberwebspace forever. The decision is made to upload material for the benefit of others knowing full well someone who has become valueless in our society will take the material. Those persons will do with it what they will because they now feel it is theirs by virtue of downloading. All I ask and hopefully this forum can move on, is this: Just try a random act of kindness when you view someone site. Send an email and thank the person who designed or maintains the page; ask permission to use the material on the site; and, if you are unsure about anything, just ask a simple question. How hard is that? Cleveland's Southside will be published as a book. We feel we have enough material and the amount of control over copyright issues in a printed publication far outweighs the cost. Those of you on this Forum who have contributed to Cleveland's Southside will be sent release forms so we can use your material, if you wish, in our future publication. Thank you all again, for your kind comments, your wanting to take on the "enemy" and your dialogue. Yours, Pat Schmidt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gina Ramsey" <mamasita6752@comcast.net> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > Pat, > > I am in the web site development business and I am so sorry to see what > has > happened to you and your site. It is a shame that people are like that. I > see it every day. Although I never used the site I do appreciate all of > the > work that you did and am sorry to see that your project will never be > realized. > > Gina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <patcle67857@peoplepc.com> > To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:39 AM > Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > > >> Hello All, >> >> Tomorrow would have been the "Cleveland's Southside" website's second >> anniversary. In that time the site had over 27,000 hits and 52 >> contributors. I say would have been because this weekend we permanently >> removed "Cleveland's Southside" from the Web. >> >> For the past year we have been aware that a few persons representing a >> "quasi" historical group have been taking articles from the site, >> changing >> them by transposing a few sentences or adding words and posting the >> revised article to their own site with a bogus source listed. This group >> is now actively soliciting members to their group and charging a yearly >> membership fee. As an incentive to join they are promising a quarterly >> newsletter. The newsletter would have used material from our website >> without our permission. We have always stated our material was for >> personal use only and was not to be copied to another website nor sold. >> >> We worked very hard to keep our site free of advertising and sign-in >> requirements, cognizant of our audience who may not appreciate the >> clutter >> of flashing banners or the asking of information. Some of our articles >> took weeks to research and we were proud of our source material. Other >> articles and photos were included only after we were able to obtain the >> present day holder's permission and paying a "user fee." That fee was, >> in >> some cases, very expensive. >> >> "Cleveland's Southside" was our first born and we watched it grow and >> mature, reaching persons whose ages ranged from their early teens to >> their >> 90s. Making the decision to "pull the plug" was extrememly hard. We >> have >> no plans on bringing it back. I want to share with you a portion of an >> email we received from one of our contributors who experienced a similiar >> problem as ours, but his was before the popularity of online resources >> (which makes taking and using material as your own more prevalent.) >> >> "How sad, that anyone would take what is not their history or their >> story, >> and use it. In the 90's, when I was doing my AIDS work, I wrote a eulogy >> for a remarkable young man (Bobby) and his family. He was extremely >> popular and over 300 people attended the service. One of his casual >> friends told he was so moved by it..he wondered because he was HIV if I >> would give him a copy, which I did. A year later, I was at UCLA talking >> with one of Bobby's doctors who remembered me bringing him for care--and >> then mentioned that he was glad to see what I had spoken about at Bobby's >> funeral had been published and that it had earned me a Master's degree. >> I >> looked at him and said, "what are you talking about?" Long story short, >> that young man, used my eulogy as his Master's thesis. I had worked on >> it >> for days, including things from Bobby's life that he had shared and what >> his family had shared with me. With some trouble I was able to contact >> this character and his response to me was t! >> hat he could not understand my anger or disappointment...as he had done >> something with it that I never would have done, and if I was that >> concerned I never should have given him the copy...to this day, I still >> cannot believe that he took full credit for it. Of course, Bobby's >> family >> and close friends knew...but it appears such people are everywhere, and >> that saddens me Pat. I am in the final years of my life....and there is >> much about the world that saddens me." >> Jimmy Hughes >> >> We are very sorry if taking the site off-line is an inconvenience to >> anyone. We knew the risks of uploading such a history inclusive site and >> had hoped for the best, but enough was enough and we let it go. Thank >> you >> if you took the time to read this longish message. Thank you too, if you >> visited our site, looked and explored but did not take. >> >> Yours, >> Pat Schmidt >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Good morning, I would like to send a "thank you" to most of you who have sent messages and offered comments on Cleveland's Southside. The crux of the message was this because one or two of you may have missed the point. We who do websites are aware out material is floating out in cyberwebspace forever. The decision is made to upload material for the benefit of others knowing full well someone who has become valueless in our society will take the material. Those persons will do with it what they will because they now feel it is theirs by virtue of downloading. All I ask and hopefully this forum can move on, is this: Just try a random act of kindness when you view someone site. Send an email and thank the person who designed or maintains the page; ask permission to use the material on the site; and, if you are unsure about anything, just ask a simple question. How hard is that? Cleveland's Southside will be published as a book. We feel we have enough material and the amount of control over copyright issues in a printed publication far outweighs the cost. Those of you on this Forum who have contributed to Cleveland's Southside will be sent release forms so we can use your material, if you wish, in our future publication. Thank you all again, for your kind comments, your wanting to take on the "enemy" and your dialogue. Yours, Pat Schmidt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gina Ramsey" <mamasita6752@comcast.net> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > Pat, > > I am in the web site development business and I am so sorry to see what > has > happened to you and your site. It is a shame that people are like that. I > see it every day. Although I never used the site I do appreciate all of > the > work that you did and am sorry to see that your project will never be > realized. > > Gina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <patcle67857@peoplepc.com> > To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:39 AM > Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > > >> Hello All, >> >> Tomorrow would have been the "Cleveland's Southside" website's second >> anniversary. In that time the site had over 27,000 hits and 52 >> contributors. I say would have been because this weekend we permanently >> removed "Cleveland's Southside" from the Web. >> >> For the past year we have been aware that a few persons representing a >> "quasi" historical group have been taking articles from the site, >> changing >> them by transposing a few sentences or adding words and posting the >> revised article to their own site with a bogus source listed. This group >> is now actively soliciting members to their group and charging a yearly >> membership fee. As an incentive to join they are promising a quarterly >> newsletter. The newsletter would have used material from our website >> without our permission. We have always stated our material was for >> personal use only and was not to be copied to another website nor sold. >> >> We worked very hard to keep our site free of advertising and sign-in >> requirements, cognizant of our audience who may not appreciate the >> clutter >> of flashing banners or the asking of information. Some of our articles >> took weeks to research and we were proud of our source material. Other >> articles and photos were included only after we were able to obtain the >> present day holder's permission and paying a "user fee." That fee was, >> in >> some cases, very expensive. >> >> "Cleveland's Southside" was our first born and we watched it grow and >> mature, reaching persons whose ages ranged from their early teens to >> their >> 90s. Making the decision to "pull the plug" was extrememly hard. We >> have >> no plans on bringing it back. I want to share with you a portion of an >> email we received from one of our contributors who experienced a similiar >> problem as ours, but his was before the popularity of online resources >> (which makes taking and using material as your own more prevalent.) >> >> "How sad, that anyone would take what is not their history or their >> story, >> and use it. In the 90's, when I was doing my AIDS work, I wrote a eulogy >> for a remarkable young man (Bobby) and his family. He was extremely >> popular and over 300 people attended the service. One of his casual >> friends told he was so moved by it..he wondered because he was HIV if I >> would give him a copy, which I did. A year later, I was at UCLA talking >> with one of Bobby's doctors who remembered me bringing him for care--and >> then mentioned that he was glad to see what I had spoken about at Bobby's >> funeral had been published and that it had earned me a Master's degree. >> I >> looked at him and said, "what are you talking about?" Long story short, >> that young man, used my eulogy as his Master's thesis. I had worked on >> it >> for days, including things from Bobby's life that he had shared and what >> his family had shared with me. With some trouble I was able to contact >> this character and his response to me was t! >> hat he could not understand my anger or disappointment...as he had done >> something with it that I never would have done, and if I was that >> concerned I never should have given him the copy...to this day, I still >> cannot believe that he took full credit for it. Of course, Bobby's >> family >> and close friends knew...but it appears such people are everywhere, and >> that saddens me Pat. I am in the final years of my life....and there is >> much about the world that saddens me." >> Jimmy Hughes >> >> We are very sorry if taking the site off-line is an inconvenience to >> anyone. We knew the risks of uploading such a history inclusive site and >> had hoped for the best, but enough was enough and we let it go. Thank >> you >> if you took the time to read this longish message. Thank you too, if you >> visited our site, looked and explored but did not take. >> >> Yours, >> Pat Schmidt >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Pat, I am in the web site development business and I am so sorry to see what has happened to you and your site. It is a shame that people are like that. I see it every day. Although I never used the site I do appreciate all of the work that you did and am sorry to see that your project will never be realized. Gina ----- Original Message ----- From: <patcle67857@peoplepc.com> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > Hello All, > > Tomorrow would have been the "Cleveland's Southside" website's second > anniversary. In that time the site had over 27,000 hits and 52 > contributors. I say would have been because this weekend we permanently > removed "Cleveland's Southside" from the Web. > > For the past year we have been aware that a few persons representing a > "quasi" historical group have been taking articles from the site, changing > them by transposing a few sentences or adding words and posting the > revised article to their own site with a bogus source listed. This group > is now actively soliciting members to their group and charging a yearly > membership fee. As an incentive to join they are promising a quarterly > newsletter. The newsletter would have used material from our website > without our permission. We have always stated our material was for > personal use only and was not to be copied to another website nor sold. > > We worked very hard to keep our site free of advertising and sign-in > requirements, cognizant of our audience who may not appreciate the clutter > of flashing banners or the asking of information. Some of our articles > took weeks to research and we were proud of our source material. Other > articles and photos were included only after we were able to obtain the > present day holder's permission and paying a "user fee." That fee was, in > some cases, very expensive. > > "Cleveland's Southside" was our first born and we watched it grow and > mature, reaching persons whose ages ranged from their early teens to their > 90s. Making the decision to "pull the plug" was extrememly hard. We have > no plans on bringing it back. I want to share with you a portion of an > email we received from one of our contributors who experienced a similiar > problem as ours, but his was before the popularity of online resources > (which makes taking and using material as your own more prevalent.) > > "How sad, that anyone would take what is not their history or their story, > and use it. In the 90's, when I was doing my AIDS work, I wrote a eulogy > for a remarkable young man (Bobby) and his family. He was extremely > popular and over 300 people attended the service. One of his casual > friends told he was so moved by it..he wondered because he was HIV if I > would give him a copy, which I did. A year later, I was at UCLA talking > with one of Bobby's doctors who remembered me bringing him for care--and > then mentioned that he was glad to see what I had spoken about at Bobby's > funeral had been published and that it had earned me a Master's degree. I > looked at him and said, "what are you talking about?" Long story short, > that young man, used my eulogy as his Master's thesis. I had worked on it > for days, including things from Bobby's life that he had shared and what > his family had shared with me. With some trouble I was able to contact > this character and his response to me was t! > hat he could not understand my anger or disappointment...as he had done > something with it that I never would have done, and if I was that > concerned I never should have given him the copy...to this day, I still > cannot believe that he took full credit for it. Of course, Bobby's family > and close friends knew...but it appears such people are everywhere, and > that saddens me Pat. I am in the final years of my life....and there is > much about the world that saddens me." > Jimmy Hughes > > We are very sorry if taking the site off-line is an inconvenience to > anyone. We knew the risks of uploading such a history inclusive site and > had hoped for the best, but enough was enough and we let it go. Thank you > if you took the time to read this longish message. Thank you too, if you > visited our site, looked and explored but did not take. > > Yours, > Pat Schmidt > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I hope my post will not upset the apple cart. Until google's robot discovers the site has disappeared, the cache of it's pages are still available to those who are interested, by doing a site search at google with the following as one long keyword: site:http://bluetreeart.com/ClevelandSouthside I do not have time to read all 40 pages google has cached now, but those of you wanting to read them still can do so. It is a shame that copywrite infringement has occurred. Pat, have you considered setting the site up with password protection for people you screen first and trust, having them sign a short, clear agreement that they will abide by your rules? After all that work by so many people, it seems important to find some way to make it accessible to honest folk. Those interested in web copywrite issues may want to consider joining the copywrite mailing list at rootsweb.
WHAT A DISASTER !!!!! I have only just become aware of your Southside web site and was preparing to join your list of viewers and contributors.. I am 80 + years old and don't move quickly so I've missed what for me would have been a GREAT RESOURCE. I am heartsick at the greed and malevolence of the thieves ( for that is what they really are).... Please accept my condolences. -----Original Message----- From: patcle67857@peoplepc.com To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 8:39 am Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website Hello All, Tomorrow would have been the "Cleveland's Southside" website's second anniversary. In that time the site had over 27,000 hits and 52 contributors. I say would have been because this weekend we permanently removed "Cleveland's Southside" from the Web. For the past year we have been aware that a few persons representing a "quasi" historical group have been taking articles from the site, changing them by transposing a few sentences or adding words and posting the revised article to their own site with a bogus source listed. This group is now actively soliciting members to their group and charging a yearly membership fee. As an incentive to join they are promising a quarterly newsletter. The newsletter would have used material from our website without our permission. We have always stated our material was for personal use only and was not to be copied to another website nor sold. We worked very hard to keep our site free of advertising and sign-in requirements, cognizant of our audience who may not appreciate the clutter of flashing banners or the asking of information. Some of our articles took weeks to research and we were proud of our source material. Other articles and photos were included only after we were able to obtain the present day holder's permission and paying a "user fee." That fee was, in some cases, very expensive. "Cleveland's Southside" was our first born and we watched it grow and mature, reaching persons whose ages ranged from their early teens to their 90s. Making the decision to "pull the plug" was extrememly hard. We have no plans on bringing it back. I want to share with you a portion of an email we received from one of our contributors who experienced a similiar problem as ours, but his was before the popularity of online resources (which makes taking and using material as your own more prevalent.) "How sad, that anyone would take what is not their history or their story, and use it. In the 90's, when I was doing my AIDS work, I wrote a eulogy for a remarkable young man (Bobby) and his family. He was extremely popular and over 300 people attended the service. One of his casual friends told he was so moved by it..he wondered because he was HIV if I would give him a copy, which I did. A year later, I was at UCLA talking with one of Bobby's doctors who remembered me bringing him=2 0for care--and then mentioned that he was glad to see what I had spoken about at Bobby's funeral had been published and that it had earned me a Master's degree. I looked at him and said, "what are you talking about?" Long story short, that young man, used my eulogy as his Master's thesis. I had worked on it for days, including things from Bobby's life that he had shared and what his family had shared with me. With some trouble I was able to contact this character and his response to me was t! hat he could not understand my anger or disappointment...as he had done something with it that I never would have done, and if I was that concerned I never should have given him the copy...to this day, I still cannot believe that he took full credit for it. Of course, Bobby's family and close friends knew...but it appears such people are everywhere, and that saddens me Pat. I am in the final years of my life....and there is much about the world that saddens me." Jimmy Hughes We are very sorry if taking the site off-line is an inconvenience to anyone. We knew the risks of uploading such a history inclusive site and had hoped for the best, but enough was enough and we let it go. Thank you if you took the time to read this longish message. Thank you too, if you visited our site, looked and explored but did not take. Yours, Pat Schmidt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
What a tragedy.? That site was the best source of information for those of us who lived in the area, or had families from that area.? I am so sickened by what Pat has been forced to do.? I can only hope that something will change---that we will not lose this wonderful site.??? -----Original Message----- From: Bette McIntosh <bmcintosh@new.rr.com> To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website Hello Pat, Just to clarify things are you writing about the removal from the Internet of this particular website: http://www.bluetreeart.com/ClevelandSouthside/ If so, then I can only say how very disappointing & sad, this turn of events. Just this past week I sent the link (URL address) to a passionate fellow family history researcher who had planned on perusing it at his first opportunity upon return from a weekend away from home. This is a great loss, of a truly outstanding online resource, to all those researchers whose roots run long & deep into the heart of Cuyahoga County. Bette ----- Original Message ----- From: <patcle67857@peoplepc.com> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > Hello All, > > Tomorrow would have been the "Cleveland's Southside" website's second > anniversary. In that time the site had over 27,000 hits and 52 > contributors. I say would have been because this weekend we permanently > removed "Cleveland's Southside" from the Web. > > For the past year we have been aware that a few persons representing a > "quasi" historical group have been taking articles from the site, changing > them by transposing a few sentences or adding words and posting the > revised article to their own site with a bogus source listed. This group > is now actively soliciting members to their group and charging a yearly > membership fee. As an incentive to join they are promising a quarterly > newsletter. The newsletter would have used material from our website > without our permission. We have always stated our material was for > personal use only and was not to be copied to another website nor sold. > > We worked very hard to keep our site free of advertising and sign-in > requirements, cognizant of our audience who may not appreciate the clutter > of flashing banners or the asking of information. Some of our articles > took weeks to research and we were proud of our source material. Other > arti cles and photos were included only after we were able to obtain the > present day holder's permission and paying a "user fee." That fee was, in > some cases, very expensive. > > "Cleveland's Southside" was our first born and we watched it grow and > mature, reaching persons whose ages ranged from their early teens to their > 90s. Making the decision to "pull the plug" was extrememly hard. We have > no plans on bringing it back. I want to share with you a portion of an > email we received from one of our contributors who experienced a similiar > problem as ours, but his was before the popularity of online resources > (which makes taking and using material as your own more prevalent.) > > "How sad, that anyone would take what is not their history or their story, > and use it. In the 90's, when I was doing my AIDS work, I wrote a eulogy > for a remarkable young man (Bobby) and his family. He was extremely > popular and over 300 people attended the service. One of his casual > friends told he was so moved by it..he wondered because he was HIV if I > would give him a copy, which I did. A year later, I was at UCLA talking > with one of Bobby's doctors who remembered me bringing him for care--and > then mentioned that he was glad to see what I had spoken about at Bobby's > funeral had been published and that it had earned me a Master's degree. I > looked at him and said, "what are you talking about?" Long story short, > that young man, used my eulogy as his Master's thesis. I had worked on it > for days, including things from Bobby's life that he had shared and what > his family had shared with me. With some trouble I was able to contact > this character and his response to me was t! > hat he could not understand my anger or disappointment...as he had done > something with it that I never would have done, and if I was that > concerned I never should have given him the copy...to this day, I still > cannot believe that he took full credit for it. Of course, Bobby's family > and close friends knew...but it appears such people are everywhere, and > that saddens me Pat. I am in the final years of my life....and there is > much about the world that saddens me." > Jimmy Hughes > > We are very sorry if taking the site off-line is an inconvenience to > anyone. We knew the risks of uploading such a history inclusive site and > had hoped for the best, but enough was enough and we let it go. Thank you > if you took the time to read this longish message. Thank you too, if you > visited our site, looked and explored but did not take. > > Yours, > Pat Schmidt > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello All, Tomorrow would have been the "Cleveland's Southside" website's second anniversary. In that time the site had over 27,000 hits and 52 contributors. I say would have been because this weekend we permanently removed "Cleveland's Southside" from the Web. For the past year we have been aware that a few persons representing a "quasi" historical group have been taking articles from the site, changing them by transposing a few sentences or adding words and posting the revised article to their own site with a bogus source listed. This group is now actively soliciting members to their group and charging a yearly membership fee. As an incentive to join they are promising a quarterly newsletter. The newsletter would have used material from our website without our permission. We have always stated our material was for personal use only and was not to be copied to another website nor sold. We worked very hard to keep our site free of advertising and sign-in requirements, cognizant of our audience who may not appreciate the clutter of flashing banners or the asking of information. Some of our articles took weeks to research and we were proud of our source material. Other articles and photos were included only after we were able to obtain the present day holder's permission and paying a "user fee." That fee was, in some cases, very expensive. "Cleveland's Southside" was our first born and we watched it grow and mature, reaching persons whose ages ranged from their early teens to their 90s. Making the decision to "pull the plug" was extrememly hard. We have no plans on bringing it back. I want to share with you a portion of an email we received from one of our contributors who experienced a similiar problem as ours, but his was before the popularity of online resources (which makes taking and using material as your own more prevalent.) "How sad, that anyone would take what is not their history or their story, and use it. In the 90's, when I was doing my AIDS work, I wrote a eulogy for a remarkable young man (Bobby) and his family. He was extremely popular and over 300 people attended the service. One of his casual friends told he was so moved by it..he wondered because he was HIV if I would give him a copy, which I did. A year later, I was at UCLA talking with one of Bobby's doctors who remembered me bringing him for care--and then mentioned that he was glad to see what I had spoken about at Bobby's funeral had been published and that it had earned me a Master's degree. I looked at him and said, "what are you talking about?" Long story short, that young man, used my eulogy as his Master's thesis. I had worked on it for days, including things from Bobby's life that he had shared and what his family had shared with me. With some trouble I was able to contact this character and his response to me was that he could not understand my anger or disappointment...as he had done something with it that I never would have done, and if I was that concerned I never should have given him the copy...to this day, I still cannot believe that he took full credit for it. Of course, Bobby's family and close friends knew...but it appears such people are everywhere, and that saddens me Pat. I am in the final years of my life....and there is much about the world that saddens me." Jimmy Hughes We are very sorry if taking the site off-line is an inconvenience to anyone. We knew the risks of uploading such a history inclusive site and had hoped for the best, but enough was enough and we let it go. Thank you if you took the time to read this longish message. Thank you too, if you visited our site, looked and explored but did not take. Yours, Pat Schmidt
Hello Pat, Just to clarify things are you writing about the removal from the Internet of this particular website: http://www.bluetreeart.com/ClevelandSouthside/ If so, then I can only say how very disappointing & sad, this turn of events. Just this past week I sent the link (URL address) to a passionate fellow family history researcher who had planned on perusing it at his first opportunity upon return from a weekend away from home. This is a great loss, of a truly outstanding online resource, to all those researchers whose roots run long & deep into the heart of Cuyahoga County. Bette ----- Original Message ----- From: <patcle67857@peoplepc.com> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland's Southside website > Hello All, > > Tomorrow would have been the "Cleveland's Southside" website's second > anniversary. In that time the site had over 27,000 hits and 52 > contributors. I say would have been because this weekend we permanently > removed "Cleveland's Southside" from the Web. > > For the past year we have been aware that a few persons representing a > "quasi" historical group have been taking articles from the site, changing > them by transposing a few sentences or adding words and posting the > revised article to their own site with a bogus source listed. This group > is now actively soliciting members to their group and charging a yearly > membership fee. As an incentive to join they are promising a quarterly > newsletter. The newsletter would have used material from our website > without our permission. We have always stated our material was for > personal use only and was not to be copied to another website nor sold. > > We worked very hard to keep our site free of advertising and sign-in > requirements, cognizant of our audience who may not appreciate the clutter > of flashing banners or the asking of information. Some of our articles > took weeks to research and we were proud of our source material. Other > articles and photos were included only after we were able to obtain the > present day holder's permission and paying a "user fee." That fee was, in > some cases, very expensive. > > "Cleveland's Southside" was our first born and we watched it grow and > mature, reaching persons whose ages ranged from their early teens to their > 90s. Making the decision to "pull the plug" was extrememly hard. We have > no plans on bringing it back. I want to share with you a portion of an > email we received from one of our contributors who experienced a similiar > problem as ours, but his was before the popularity of online resources > (which makes taking and using material as your own more prevalent.) > > "How sad, that anyone would take what is not their history or their story, > and use it. In the 90's, when I was doing my AIDS work, I wrote a eulogy > for a remarkable young man (Bobby) and his family. He was extremely > popular and over 300 people attended the service. One of his casual > friends told he was so moved by it..he wondered because he was HIV if I > would give him a copy, which I did. A year later, I was at UCLA talking > with one of Bobby's doctors who remembered me bringing him for care--and > then mentioned that he was glad to see what I had spoken about at Bobby's > funeral had been published and that it had earned me a Master's degree. I > looked at him and said, "what are you talking about?" Long story short, > that young man, used my eulogy as his Master's thesis. I had worked on it > for days, including things from Bobby's life that he had shared and what > his family had shared with me. With some trouble I was able to contact > this character and his response to me was t! > hat he could not understand my anger or disappointment...as he had done > something with it that I never would have done, and if I was that > concerned I never should have given him the copy...to this day, I still > cannot believe that he took full credit for it. Of course, Bobby's family > and close friends knew...but it appears such people are everywhere, and > that saddens me Pat. I am in the final years of my life....and there is > much about the world that saddens me." > Jimmy Hughes > > We are very sorry if taking the site off-line is an inconvenience to > anyone. We knew the risks of uploading such a history inclusive site and > had hoped for the best, but enough was enough and we let it go. Thank you > if you took the time to read this longish message. Thank you too, if you > visited our site, looked and explored but did not take. > > Yours, > Pat Schmidt > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Since you have MS Publisher, why not use it. I find it does a great job. Gus Enyedy, gusenyedy@aol.com, who is a member of Neo-Cag and also East Cuyahoga Gen Society did a great hard back book on his family and WW II activities using MS Publisher. I am sure he would be glad to give you some pointers. I have done 50-75 page booklets with it and I find it does all I need. I have a Mac with Adobe Indesign and at my age I find it is to involved to learn so I stick with MS Publisher on the PC. I also find that I can do almost everything I need to for newsletters on the Mac using "Pages" . It does a great job and is easier to work with pictures and it saves directly to PDF format to take to the printer. When using Publisher and importing pictures try to keep the Pixel count down to what is only necessary to display a good picture for print or you file size will be great and overload your PC. I save files as a post script and convert to PDF to take to the printer. Bill Takacs >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:31:13 -0400 >From: <patcle67857@peoplepc.com> >Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Publishing software > > >Good morning Group, >Can anyone suggest a "book" publishing software that does not cost a >gazillion dollars to buy and is relatively easy to use. I do not want to >publish a family history but a complex research project I am involved in. >Genealogical software, while some do have capabilities to put together a >book for publication, does not give me the flexiblilty I need to include >such things as multiple page within specific sections, indexes etc. I have Microsoft Publisher. I will use that software if I find nothing else. I would just like other options. Thank you, Pat
I've been having pretty good luck finding the married names of daughters through the marriage license site: http://probate/cuyahogacounty.us/ml Good luck in your research ~ Sharon
A possible starting point - if they were married in Cuyahoga County. ? Cuyahoga County, FAQ for research http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~officer/CuyOhFAQ.html -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Johnston <sjohnston77@msn.com> To: OHCUYAHO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 4:30 pm Subject: [OHCUYAHO] daughters of Kenneth Richard Sheldon and Liinda Mae Sheldon Kenneth Richard Sheldon and Linda Mae Sheldon (maiden name unknown) had 2 daughters--Dorothy Mae, born circa 1952 and Cindy Sue, born circa 1957. Kenneth was from Lorain County, but his obituary from January 1964 stated that the two daughters were "of Cleveland." Kenny died Nov.6, 1963 in St. Louis and is buried in Jefferson Barracks National Cemetery in St. Louis. I would like to get in touch with these two daughters or their mother; the difficulty is that I don't know their married names, if they are married. Does anyone know how I might contact them? Thank you. S. Johnston ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Good morning Group, Can anyone suggest a "book" publishing software that does not cost a gazillion dollars to buy and is relatively easy to use. I do not want to publish a family history but a complex research project I am involved in. Genealogical software, while some do have capabilities to put together a book for publication, does not give me the flexiblilty I need to include such things as multiple page within specific sections, indexes etc. If German Bob is still part of this group, can he come into this discussion and give me a heads up on what software he is using for his book. Please don't tell me you use a yellow legal pad--that will just break my heart. I am looking for something I can use with my computer. I have Microsoft Publisher. I will use that software if I find nothing else. I would just like other options. Thank you, Pat
Thank you for this link, Cynthia. I've ordered an obit and hope she's the lady I'm looking for. Lila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Mac Suibhne" <barkupthetree@yahoo.com> To: "Cuyahoga County" <OHCUYAHO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 09 October, 2008 7:51 AM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Library Sandusky OhioOBITS I just wanted to let the list know that besides the Cleveland Public Library Necrology files there is another source. The copy costs are certainly more for an article but I've found several family members in it that weren't in CPL necrology files and at least you can try to locate the newspaper on your own. You may have read about this library recently because three people are accused of smuggling out rare books. An index to over 1,300,000 obituaries, death & marriage notices & other sources from Ohio from the 1810s to the present day. http://index.rbhayes.org/hayes/index/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Kenneth Richard Sheldon and Linda Mae Sheldon (maiden name unknown) had 2 daughters--Dorothy Mae, born circa 1952 and Cindy Sue, born circa 1957. Kenneth was from Lorain County, but his obituary from January 1964 stated that the two daughters were "of Cleveland." Kenny died Nov.6, 1963 in St. Louis and is buried in Jefferson Barracks National Cemetery in St. Louis. I would like to get in touch with these two daughters or their mother; the difficulty is that I don't know their married names, if they are married. Does anyone know how I might contact them? Thank you. S. Johnston
I just wanted to let the list know that besides the Cleveland Public Library Necrology files there is another source. The copy costs are certainly more for an article but I've found several family members in it that weren't in CPL necrology files and at least you can try to locate the newspaper on your own. You may have read about this library recently because three people are accused of smuggling out rare books. An index to over 1,300,000 obituaries, death & marriage notices & other sources from Ohio from the 1810s to the present day. http://index.rbhayes.org/hayes/index/
Hi, Does anyone know where I might find Death records for the town of Brooklyn, Cuyahoga Co. for 1850-1860 ? Looking for a death record for my GGG-grandfather, John Howe. He was in the 1850 census but not the 1860. Thanks very much for any insight!! Laurie in NY