In winter you have to think flu which has been much more lethal in the past, it also leads to pneumonia and if you have the kids all shut up in the house mumps and measles need to be thought of. Eliz On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Cynthia C Turk <cynthia.turk@juno.com> wrote: > > With three child deaths in a family in short order it is often > diphtheria. Cholera was common during certain periods, but I don't think > it would have been likely here in the winter. This will be very > difficult to prove, since death records did not start until 1867 in Lake > County. Finding some family source, for instance an old genealogy might > be useful, but not easy to find. You might get something from church > records if you have an idea which church they might have attended. A few > Willoughby churches have records back that far. > Cynthia in Lake Co. > ____________________________________________________________ > Paying too much for your business phone system? Click here to compare systems from top companies. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw34S6aB2zpX8CLhSw2tmSMapR4xuEqlxwaUPCZWu7igexoLt/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This from the Lincoln-Lancaster County [Nebraska} Genealogical Society Newsletter, Vol 33, No. 12, which just arrived: Epidemics: http://www.cyndislist.com/disasters.htm#Epidemics Disasters: http://www.cyndislist.com/disasters.htm Some obsolete and unfamiliar occupational terms are also mentioned, with Web addresses. America, Medieval English and Early New World, United Kingdom and German sites are included. Lila ----- Original Message ----- From: "harvieandliz" <hebarker@shaw.ca> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: 03 December, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] epidemics at Willoughby area, 1862? > of course, thanks, I hadnt thought of diphtheria! we had a family who > lost 3 members at one time to that in 1903 on Canadian Prairies. > I gather too that birth records did not start until 1867 at Lake > county? at least online the Book #1 appears to begin then? > Liz of BC > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Cynthia C Turk wrote: > >> >> With three child deaths in a family in short order it is often >> diphtheria. Cholera was common during certain periods, but I don't >> think >> it would have been likely here in the winter. This will be very >> difficult to prove, since death records did not start until 1867 in >> Lake >> County. Finding some family source, for instance an old genealogy >> might >> be useful, but not easy to find. You might get something from church >> records if you have an idea which church they might have attended. A >> few >> Willoughby churches have records back that far. >> Cynthia in Lake Co. >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Paying too much for your business phone system? Click here to compare >> systems from top companies. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/ >> PnY6rw34S6aB2zpX8CLhSw2tmSMapR4xuEqlxwaUPCZWu7igexoLt/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Are there any newspapers from that period? Even if they don't name the deceased (especially children), they may mention an epidemic. Lila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia C Turk" <cynthia.turk@juno.com> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: 03 December, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] epidemics at Willoughby area, 1862? > > With three child deaths in a family in short order it is often > diphtheria. Cholera was common during certain periods, but I don't think > it would have been likely here in the winter. This will be very > difficult to prove, since death records did not start until 1867 in Lake > County. Finding some family source, for instance an old genealogy might > be useful, but not easy to find. You might get something from church > records if you have an idea which church they might have attended. A few > Willoughby churches have records back that far. > Cynthia in Lake Co. > ____________________________________________________________ > Paying too much for your business phone system? Click here to compare > systems from top companies. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw34S6aB2zpX8CLhSw2tmSMapR4xuEqlxwaUPCZWu7igexoLt/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

With three child deaths in a family in short order it is often diphtheria. Cholera was common during certain periods, but I don't think it would have been likely here in the winter. This will be very difficult to prove, since death records did not start until 1867 in Lake County. Finding some family source, for instance an old genealogy might be useful, but not easy to find. You might get something from church records if you have an idea which church they might have attended. A few Willoughby churches have records back that far. Cynthia in Lake Co. ____________________________________________________________ Paying too much for your business phone system? Click here to compare systems from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw34S6aB2zpX8CLhSw2tmSMapR4xuEqlxwaUPCZWu7igexoLt/

of course, thanks, I hadnt thought of diphtheria! we had a family who lost 3 members at one time to that in 1903 on Canadian Prairies. I gather too that birth records did not start until 1867 at Lake county? at least online the Book #1 appears to begin then? Liz of BC On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Cynthia C Turk wrote: > > With three child deaths in a family in short order it is often > diphtheria. Cholera was common during certain periods, but I don't > think > it would have been likely here in the winter. This will be very > difficult to prove, since death records did not start until 1867 in > Lake > County. Finding some family source, for instance an old genealogy > might > be useful, but not easy to find. You might get something from church > records if you have an idea which church they might have attended. A > few > Willoughby churches have records back that far. > Cynthia in Lake Co. > ____________________________________________________________ > Paying too much for your business phone system? Click here to compare > systems from top companies. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/ > PnY6rw34S6aB2zpX8CLhSw2tmSMapR4xuEqlxwaUPCZWu7igexoLt/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi listers: I am wondering, now that I have cemetery MIs from Willoughby for 3 children of our families, if there had been an epidemic recorded at this time? One child was 9, another 5 another 2. all died within 2 weeks of each other. i do not think [but dont know really] that the 2 families were living in the same house. thanks Liz of BC Canada

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I found the image and I don't think it is Knicpoff, Kniepoff might be better. Googling it gets a lot of hits but not as a town <G> and I really don't think it is an "N" but I can't say it isn't but looking at the other names like Minnesota I think it is likely to be an R for Kriepoff. I am going to save the image and anyone who wants to take a run at it <G> maybe we can figure what it is. For Ancestry subscribers the URL is' http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7488&iid=NYM237_609-0538&fn=Auguste&ln=Podrasy&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4000367161 Eliz On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Jan <scjbwaugh@msn.com> wrote: > > re: My great grandfather came from a little city close to Gr Knicpoff, > Prussia ... Knopp > > At http://hinterpommern.de/ I plugged in the surname Knopp in the Suchen > (Search) box. Click on Pommernkontakte and it comes up with a list of > places. Take from this the county names. In your case they list Belgard, > Koslin, Lauenburg, Neustettin, Rummelsburg, Schlawe, Schlochau, Stolp. The > most hits were in kreis Koslin, then kreis Neustettin. > > http://hinterpommern.de/Karten/ scroll down to einzelne Kreise and select > the kreis to pull up it's map. Look for any name that looks similar to Gr. > Knicpoff, in case it was spelled differently. > > Jan > Prussia surname Kassulke of Neustettin > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is a site called Shtetlseeker, maintained by Jewish Genealogy but for anyone, that will often help identify place names that are misspelled or garbled. http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/ Use the "Search for places by name" function, and type the spelling you have. This site is not able to do miracles. For example, the place name I found on a passenger list is Wennigdorf, which turned out to be Schwenningdorf. I found it from another source--ShetetlSeeker didn't find it. This is one more source to try. Good luck! Lila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <scjbwaugh@msn.com> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: 01 December, 2008 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Gr Knicpoff, Prussia > > re: My great grandfather came from a little city close to Gr Knicpoff, > Prussia ... Knopp > > At http://hinterpommern.de/ I plugged in the surname Knopp in the Suchen > (Search) box. Click on Pommernkontakte and it comes up with a list of > places. Take from this the county names. In your case they list Belgard, > Koslin, Lauenburg, Neustettin, Rummelsburg, Schlawe, Schlochau, Stolp. > The > most hits were in kreis Koslin, then kreis Neustettin. > > http://hinterpommern.de/Karten/ scroll down to einzelne Kreise and > select > the kreis to pull up it's map. Look for any name that looks similar to > Gr. > Knicpoff, in case it was spelled differently. > > Jan > Prussia surname Kassulke of Neustettin > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I had a go at google, they sometimes turn up trumps for European place names. This time they turned up only Ellis Island Records for one family who used that (or were transcribed as being from) Knicpoff, Prussia. I think you are going to have to try and get a better spelling. Where do you get the name from? Prussia is a problem since it also included much of Poland. I searched and with only a surname got a few hits from Hamburg passenger lists for 1890 and too many to try with EIDB. The Hamburg ledger is a bear to read and I can't say that they even transcribed it correctly but they have Pollnitz, Westpreußen which doesn't look like your town. Eliz On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:39 PM, <LAS500@aol.com> wrote: > My great grandfather came from a little city close to Gr Knicpoff, Prussia > where my ggrandmother was from. Can anyone tell me where in Prussia this place > was or is. I suspect the name has changed, does anyone have any ideas of > what it might be. My grreat grandfather and his mother and sibilings ended up in > Cleveland about 1885 - The last name was Knopp. > Thanks > las > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

re: My great grandfather came from a little city close to Gr Knicpoff, Prussia ... Knopp At http://hinterpommern.de/ I plugged in the surname Knopp in the Suchen (Search) box. Click on Pommernkontakte and it comes up with a list of places. Take from this the county names. In your case they list Belgard, Koslin, Lauenburg, Neustettin, Rummelsburg, Schlawe, Schlochau, Stolp. The most hits were in kreis Koslin, then kreis Neustettin. http://hinterpommern.de/Karten/ scroll down to einzelne Kreise and select the kreis to pull up it's map. Look for any name that looks similar to Gr. Knicpoff, in case it was spelled differently. Jan Prussia surname Kassulke of Neustettin

Prussia is a part of Europe/Germany as I have ancesters from Losheim, Pruissa. They were germans. I have articles on this, I will try to look them up. Loretta. -----Original Message----- From: LAS500@aol.com To: OHCUYAHO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 5:39 pm Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Gr Knicpoff, Prussia My great grandfather came from a little city close to Gr Knicpoff, Prussia where my ggrandmother was from. Can anyone tell me where in Prussia this place was or is. I suspect the name has changed, does anyone have any ideas of what it might be. My grreat grandfather and his mother and sibilings ended up in Cleveland about 1885 - The last name was Knopp. Thanks las **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

DJM- Just curious - what was the family name who settled in Hermitage. I have/had a whole slew of Ramsey's (and associted names) in Hermitage. Any connection? Thanks, Gina ----- Original Message ----- From: "DANIEL MURRAY" <themurer@comcast.net> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] how did folks arrive at Ohio from Britain 1850s > Don't forget rail transportation from the East coast. > > Here is a copy from a letter written by my grt grandmother upon her > arrival in West Middlesex Pa. [a coal-mining town across the state line > near Youngstown, Ohio]: > > "West Middlesex, Mercer County, PA America > July 25, 1869 Shenandoah Valley > Dear Parents: > I write you these few lines to let me (you) know that I have arrived at > my journeys end, we are all well & I hope this wll find you all enjoying > the same blessing - thanks be to God for this goodness to us. We left > Norville on the Saturday at 5 o'clock in the evening and had a slow but > good passage & arrived in New York on Monday morning. I had a letter > wrote but I had not time to post it for I was anxious to catch the train > to Hermitage." > > Norville is a port near Edinburgh, Scotland. > > djm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great grandfather came from a little city close to Gr Knicpoff, Prussia where my ggrandmother was from. Can anyone tell me where in Prussia this place was or is. I suspect the name has changed, does anyone have any ideas of what it might be. My grreat grandfather and his mother and sibilings ended up in Cleveland about 1885 - The last name was Knopp. Thanks las **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

Don't forget rail transportation from the East coast. Here is a copy from a letter written by my grt grandmother upon her arrival in West Middlesex Pa. [a coal-mining town across the state line near Youngstown, Ohio]: "West Middlesex, Mercer County, PA America July 25, 1869 Shenandoah Valley Dear Parents: I write you these few lines to let me (you) know that I have arrived at my journeys end, we are all well & I hope this wll find you all enjoying the same blessing - thanks be to God for this goodness to us. We left Norville on the Saturday at 5 o'clock in the evening and had a slow but good passage & arrived in New York on Monday morning. I had a letter wrote but I had not time to post it for I was anxious to catch the train to Hermitage." Norville is a port near Edinburgh, Scotland. djm

My family got to Cleveland: Oil City Derrick from 1896 from the Oil City Derrick George Lewis born in Malmesbury Eng, May 20,1843 At the age of one his family came to the US of A arriving in Cleveland Ohio in June 1844. They came over on the Abbigon in a 42 day voyage. They went from NYC to Albany by river; from there they went to Buffalo by canal. From Buffalo they went to Cleveland on Lake Erie. Eliz On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 10:19 PM, harvieandliz <hebarker@shaw.ca> wrote: > Dear listers: > > I wonder if someone has stories of how folks came from Britain in 1850s > and how they got to Ohio? especially Euclid township? > > Would they have travelled by boat to the northern Ohio shore? or some > other means? > > thanks Liz of BC Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I sent the the posting about "how did folks arrive at Ohio from Britain 1850" and the response to a friend in Germany. His reply quoted below includes some links that may be of use to those looking for information about German immigrants. Al He writes: People here are very much interested in that subject and some excellent museums have been founded in Bremen and Hamburg. These museums also own complete revised and digitalized archives of shipping companies and offer them to all people searching for their roots. The newest museum is in Bremen: http://www.dah-bremerhaven.de/ Note that this site is available in English and that there is a section called 'Migration/ Research'. If Mr. Muller doesn't know it already it may be interesting for him. Think the biggest problem for him is his name. Müller in Germany is like Smith or Jones in USA. If he knew the exact name of the village where J.D.M. came from one could have a look into the church records of the parish. Maybe the priest wrote down a remark. 2.5 million persons who left Europe via Hamburg are filed here in a brand new database: http://www.linktoyourroots.com/ Database is still enlarged continuously. 80% of German emigrants left via Hamburg and Bremen the major part of the rest went to Rotterdam or Antwerp. BTW: An excellent novel about emigration from Baden-Wurtemberg due to political reasons is 'The Lenz Papers' by Stefan Heym. Not for research but for entertainment. Thanks again for sharing this interesting email with me.

oops so silly of me, not saying WHERE the children were born! I was hoping to have SKS tell me how to find earlier Ohio births...the English ones have been found on freebmd. so for OHIO: Sarah Clements at Willoughby or Euclid; about 1859 [could be "Clemens"] for Herbert Clements about 1860 Willoughby or Euclid or? and for another Phebe Clements, March 28, 1863 at Willoughby The Phoebe Clements below at Bromwich is likely the one who is buried at Willoughby, age 9 in 1862. thanks Liz of BC Canada On Nov 29, 2008, at 9:09 PM, the cohens wrote: > A search at http://freebmd.org.uk yielded a few possible births for > which you could order records for more information. The dates are : > > Registered Apr-May-Jun 1852 > Clements Phoebe District: Faversham Vol: 2a Page: 495 > > Registered Apr-May-Jun 1853 > Clements Phoebe W District: Bromwich Vol: 6b Page: 523 > > I would make sure John and Mary are not in the British Census for 1861 > before hunting for them here, unless you know for sure they arrived > before 1860. > > There is a Maria Elizabeth at freebmd in 1856, who may not be yours: > > Registered July-Aug-Sep 1856 > Clements Maria Elizabeth District: Bethnal Green Vol: 1c Pg: 248 > > And many Mary's, Elizabeths, and Edward's, but you didn't say if these > latter were likely to be born in the UK or here, so I'll let you check > freeBMD for other entries yourself. Just be sure to click on "Search > FreeBMD" instead of filling in the boxes in the advertizement. > > On 11/29/08, harvieandliz <hebarker@shaw.ca> wrote: >> Dear listers: >> >> I am needing some assistance: I found 3 graves in the Willoughby >> Village Cemetery: >> >> Phoebe Clements died Dec 29 1862 age 9+ child of Wm and M Clements >> Sarah Clements died Dec 30 1862 age 3+ child of Wm and M Clements >> >> then Herbert Clements died January 13, 1863 age 2yrs child of J and M >> Clements >> >> I believe these poor little folks to be the children of 2 Clements >> brothers: John and William who came from Warwickshire between 1854 and >> 1860? >> >> I found a William "Clemens" family at Euclid, Cuyahoga, in 1860 and >> the >> two daughters are there. but I cannot find John and Mary Clements and >> their 2 children: Mary Elizabeth [b. about 1856] >> and Edward [born about 1859] anywhere. >> The two brothers have naturalization cards from Cleveland in 1863. >> >> I hope someone can guide me for the following: >> 1. find John and Mary Clements [Clemens?] somewhere nearby? in 1860? >> ... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

thanks to everyone for the stories about travel to Ohio. your stories showed the variety of means of travel even in those days...thanks Liz of BC On Nov 30, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Eliz Hanebury wrote: > My family got to Cleveland: > Oil City Derrick from 1896 > > from the Oil City Derrick > George Lewis born in Malmesbury Eng, May 20,1843 > At the age of one his family came to the US of A arriving in Cleveland > Ohio in June 1844. They came over on the Abbigon in a 42 day voyage. > They went from NYC to Albany by river; from there they went to Buffalo > by canal. From Buffalo they went to Cleveland on Lake Erie. > > > > Eliz > > > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 10:19 PM, harvieandliz <hebarker@shaw.ca> > wrote: >> Dear listers: >> >> I wonder if someone has stories of how folks came from Britain in >> 1850s >> and how they got to Ohio? especially Euclid township? >> >> Would they have travelled by boat to the northern Ohio shore? or some >> other means? >> >> thanks Liz of BC Canada >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I will give you a possible migration route derived from my own family research. First of all, you have the intial voyage across the Atlantic. Which type of ship they used depended on how much money they wanted to spend on the ticket. For example: you could take a regular passenger ship from Liverpool to New York City. But if you needed to save on the fare you would take a Canadian Lumber ship on it's return trip, empty of lumber. This was the cheapest and it was widely used, especially by Irish people. In the case of the Canadian ship, you would then be discharged in St. John, New Brunswich, or Montreal or Quebec, then board a smaller packet boat and make the short trip into New York harbor. Either way, from New York Harbor you get on a River boat, go North up the Hudson River to Upstate New York to discharge at Albany, NY. Then transfer to a canal boat, taking various canal routes due West, the Erie Canal being a big part of the journey. Discharge on Lake Ontario at Rochester, NY. Get on a ship there and sail West, then South into a Port, perhaps Cleveland. Another variation would be to discharge in Pennsylvania, perhaps at Erie, PA. then using wagon trains to travel due South and then due West, depending on the exact place in Ohio you wanted to arrive at. There are so many possible routes to take. I learned alot by reading first hand accounts of how people came to certain places and then assumed my ancestors most likely followed a similar route. I suggest trying to research history books of the area or community they settled at, and see if there is any explaination of how most people got there, expecially immigrants. This could be done through google.com research online, or at a library. I am always curious as to WHY an immigrant picked a certain place? Sometimes they were following the foot steps of a relative who had already settled there, or they had heard a Preacher from American who stated where he was from, and they assumed that place must be wonderful, so they go there. Or they are going to a specific JOB. For example, the FLAX Mills which were in Lima, Allen County, OH. I wonder why your relatives chose Ohio, as opposed to New York or anywhere else? My own ancestor arrived in Ohio about 1852, or 1853, from Wurttemberg, Germany. I think from around Stuttgardt. I still have never found his passnger record, he was John D. Miller, perhaps originally the name was Johannes Dietrich Muller. He died in Lima, OH. Best regards, Lilly Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "harvieandliz" <hebarker@shaw.ca> To: <OHCUYAHO@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 5:19 AM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] how did folks arrive at Ohio from Britain 1850s? > Dear listers: > > I wonder if someone has stories of how folks came from Britain in 1850s > and how they got to Ohio? especially Euclid township? > > Would they have travelled by boat to the northern Ohio shore? or some > other means? > > thanks Liz of BC Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >