There are city directories for Cleveland. Some are at Ancestry.com but I don't know the years off the top of my head. As to why they went to Cleveland, some things simply cannot be explained. The couple I search got married in Lake County when both lived in Cleveland/Cuyahoga. We will never know why. Lila > From: amroots@zetcho.com > To: OHCUYAHO@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:09:47 -0800 > Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? > > Hi, > > > > I just joined the list to see you could help me figure something out. No > disrespect to Cleveland, but is there any reason to travel some distance to > get married there? I have a copy of the original marriage license for my > great grandfather William Walter Rowe and his bride Catherine Davis. They > were married at Saint John's Cathedral in Cleveland on 2 Aug 1892. William > was born in Canada emigrated to the U.S. in 1875. I'm reasonably sure it > was to Michigan. Catherine was from Wisconsin. A year later, their first > child was born in Detroit and they appear there in the 1900 census having > three more children born there. > > > > One possible answer is that William had a brother, David Rowe, living there. > The latter appears in the 1900 and 1910 census for Cleveland and also > emigrated in 1875. I'm currently trying to find more evidence that they > were brothers as the linkage is quite tenuous at the moment. > > > > Catherine's parents were Irish so she may have been Catholic. Was Saint > John's a big draw for marriages? > > > > My Aunt tells me Catherine studied piano at Juilliard, which is in New York > city. Is there any well known music schools in Cleveland in the event she > has the school wrong? > > > > Finally, is there anything I can look at for residence in the city in > 1890-92 like a tax list? Only if we had the 1890 census. > > > > Thanks for any help, > > Curt Rowe > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What site did you find the Plain Dealer information? Do you know what years are covered? Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Susan <myheritage@sbcglobal.net> To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 6:23 pm Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? Licensed to Marry William W. Rowe and Katherine Davis 1892-08-02; Paper: Plain Dealer Also found this: Date: 1892-07-06; Paper: Plain Dealer O.N.G. Guard Officers Commissioned Columbus, July 5 (Special) The Following commissions were issued to day by Adjutant General Pocock:..... David M. Rowe ...... first lieutennants Company G, Third infantry, Dayton; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the mess

You don't say what your ggfather did for a living. That may be why he was in Cleveland. Where were Catherine Davis' parents living at the time of their marriage? Maybe they were in Cleveland. The cornerstone for St. John's Cathedral was laid in 1848 and work on the Gothic style church was completed in 1852. It also housed a school. It is a gorgeous church. As for music schools, the Cleveland Music School Settlement was founded in 1912 and the Cleveland Institute of Music in 1920. All of the above information on these sites is online. You can also Google "The Encyclopedia of Cleveland History" and find out lots about Cleveland institutions there by using the index and searching alphabetically. Nancy L. -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Curt Rowe Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:10 PM To: OHCUYAHO@rootsweb.com Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? Hi, I just joined the list to see you could help me figure something out. No disrespect to Cleveland, but is there any reason to travel some distance to get married there? I have a copy of the original marriage license for my great grandfather William Walter Rowe and his bride Catherine Davis. They were married at Saint John's Cathedral in Cleveland on 2 Aug 1892. William was born in Canada emigrated to the U.S. in 1875. I'm reasonably sure it was to Michigan. Catherine was from Wisconsin. A year later, their first child was born in Detroit and they appear there in the 1900 census having three more children born there. One possible answer is that William had a brother, David Rowe, living there. The latter appears in the 1900 and 1910 census for Cleveland and also emigrated in 1875. I'm currently trying to find more evidence that they were brothers as the linkage is quite tenuous at the moment. Catherine's parents were Irish so she may have been Catholic. Was Saint John's a big draw for marriages? My Aunt tells me Catherine studied piano at Juilliard, which is in New York city. Is there any well known music schools in Cleveland in the event she has the school wrong? Finally, is there anything I can look at for residence in the city in 1890-92 like a tax list? Only if we had the 1890 census. Thanks for any help, Curt Rowe ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi: I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about St. Johannes Independent Evangelical Church (most recently known as Independent Evangelical Church) which is located on 2907 W. 44th. The old phone number I had for that church is no longer working and I wonder if the church has closed. Also, if anyone knows of the headquarters for this denomination, that would be helpful as well. Thanks, Laura Hine ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=O2fTE3iitfc-yoNEtI7IHAAAJ1DVKa65aLQa6njgwvCoVzvPAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA=

This is something that is new to me - newspapers for 1845-1969. It's an index and you get a snippet of the article and the date and publication. You could then write to the Cleveland Public Library and provide that information to get a copy of the article, or, you can pay to access the article online. Laura http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=HA-CPDB&p_theme=hi stpaper&p_action=keyword On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:16:10 -0600 "Bette McIntosh" <bmcintosh@new.rr.com> writes: > I am not situated in Ohio. Can anyone offer thoughts as to the best > online > resource(s) to use to check for local newspaper articles regarding > Cleveland, Cuyahoga happenings (e.g. marriages etc.). I am not so > interested in contemporary news articles as I am in those that were > written > ca. 1870-1950. I have used www.newspaperarchive.com, available > through my > local library, for locations other than Cuyahoga Co, but > unfortunately > Cleveland papers are not included in the website's database. > > Bette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Archdekin" <archde.omaha@cox.net> > To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? > > > > You might also check for newspaper accounts of their marriage - > in > > Cleveland and in their hometowns. These may offer a clue as to > why > > they married where they did. If those aren't available check for > an > > article reporting an anniversary (25th, 50th) in a local > newspaper. > > Nancy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=CZy5xvTFza_QfggRoIvEaAAAJ1DVKa65aLQa6njgwvCoVzvPAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA=

http://www.genealogybank.com --- On Tue, 1/26/10, bhurst1948@aol.com <bhurst1948@aol.com> wrote: From: bhurst1948@aol.com <bhurst1948@aol.com> Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:30 PM What site did you find the Plain Dealer information?  Do you know what years are covered? Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Susan <myheritage@sbcglobal.net> To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 6:23 pm Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? Licensed to Marry William W. Rowe and Katherine Davis 1892-08-02; Paper: Plain Dealer Also found this: Date: 1892-07-06; Paper: Plain Dealer O.N.G. Guard Officers Commissioned Columbus, July 5 (Special) The Following commissions were issued to day by Adjutant General Pocock:..... David M. Rowe ...... first lieutennants Company G, Third infantry, Dayton; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the mess ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for taking the time to look. Curt -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:24 PM To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? Licensed to Marry William W. Rowe and Katherine Davis 1892-08-02; Paper: Plain Dealer Also found this: Date: 1892-07-06; Paper: Plain Dealer O.N.G. Guard Officers Commissioned Columbus, July 5 (Special) The Following commissions were issued to day by Adjutant General Pocock:..... David M. Rowe ...... first lieutennants Company G, Third infantry, Dayton; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Licensed to Marry William W. Rowe and Katherine Davis 1892-08-02; Paper: Plain Dealer Also found this: Date: 1892-07-06; Paper: Plain Dealer O.N.G. Guard Officers Commissioned Columbus, July 5 (Special) The Following commissions were issued to day by Adjutant General Pocock:..... David M. Rowe ...... first lieutennants Company G, Third infantry, Dayton;

Curt, there are lots of wonderful city directories for Cleveland at Footnote.com Eliz On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Curt Rowe <amroots@zetcho.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > > I just joined the list to see you could help me figure something out.  No > disrespect to Cleveland, but is there any reason to travel some distance to > get married there? I have a copy of the original marriage license for my > great grandfather William Walter Rowe and his bride Catherine Davis.  They > were married at Saint John's Cathedral in Cleveland on 2 Aug 1892.  William > was born in Canada emigrated to the U.S. in 1875.  I'm reasonably sure it > was to Michigan. Catherine was from Wisconsin.  A year later, their first > child was born in Detroit and they appear there in the 1900 census having > three more children born there. > > > > One possible answer is that William had a brother, David Rowe, living there. > The latter appears in the 1900 and 1910 census for Cleveland and also > emigrated in 1875.  I'm currently trying to find more evidence that they > were brothers as the linkage is quite tenuous at the moment. > > > > Catherine's parents were Irish so she may have been Catholic.  Was Saint > John's a big draw for marriages? > > > > My Aunt tells me Catherine studied piano at Juilliard, which is in New York > city.  Is there any well known music schools in Cleveland in the event she > has the school wrong? > > > > Finally, is there anything I can look at for residence in the city in > 1890-92 like a tax list?  Only if we had the 1890 census. > > > > Thanks for any help, > > Curt Rowe > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am not situated in Ohio. Can anyone offer thoughts as to the best online resource(s) to use to check for local newspaper articles regarding Cleveland, Cuyahoga happenings (e.g. marriages etc.). I am not so interested in contemporary news articles as I am in those that were written ca. 1870-1950. I have used www.newspaperarchive.com, available through my local library, for locations other than Cuyahoga Co, but unfortunately Cleveland papers are not included in the website's database. Bette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Archdekin" <archde.omaha@cox.net> To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? > You might also check for newspaper accounts of their marriage - in > Cleveland and in their hometowns. These may offer a clue as to why > they married where they did. If those aren't available check for an > article reporting an anniversary (25th, 50th) in a local newspaper. > Nancy

Oh my yes there is a well known music school to the west of Cleveland, Oberlin Music Conservatory is the oldest operating such institution in the US!  Founded 1892  Next to Julliard this may be the best known such school in the US   http://new.oberlin.edu/conservatory/at-a-glance.dot   In addition Baldwin Wallace located about 10 SW of Cleveland has a conservatory but it was not founded until 1899   http://www.bw.edu/academics/conservatory/about/ Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Museum Cleveland Ohio       --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Curt Rowe <amroots@zetcho.com> wrote: From: Curt Rowe <amroots@zetcho.com> Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? To: OHCUYAHO@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:09 PM Hi, I just joined the list to see you could help me figure something out.  No disrespect to Cleveland, but is there any reason to travel some distance to get married there? I have a copy of the original marriage license for my great grandfather William Walter Rowe and his bride Catherine Davis.  They were married at Saint John's Cathedral in Cleveland on 2 Aug 1892.  William was born in Canada emigrated to the U.S. in 1875.  I'm reasonably sure it was to Michigan. Catherine was from Wisconsin.  A year later, their first child was born in Detroit and they appear there in the 1900 census having three more children born there. One possible answer is that William had a brother, David Rowe, living there. The latter appears in the 1900 and 1910 census for Cleveland and also emigrated in 1875.  I'm currently trying to find more evidence that they were brothers as the linkage is quite tenuous at the moment. Catherine's parents were Irish so she may have been Catholic.  Was Saint John's a big draw for marriages? My Aunt tells me Catherine studied piano at Juilliard, which is in New York city.  Is there any well known music schools in Cleveland in the event she has the school wrong? Finally, is there anything I can look at for residence in the city in 1890-92 like a tax list?  Only if we had the 1890 census.  Thanks for any help, Curt Rowe ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd also suggest you look at the city directories, but don't put 100% faith on the years they are included in the directories. I found myself still listed in one directory 3 years after I moved 1000 miles away. You might also check for newspaper accounts of their marriage - in Cleveland and in their hometowns. These may offer a clue as to why they married where they did. If those aren't available check for an article reporting an anniversary (25th, 50th) in a local newspaper. If you don't already have it, you might check the actual entry in the church records to see if there was a notation regarding their places of residence. See http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~officer/CuyOhFAQ.html#CATHOLIC. Have you checked for a marriage license record in Cuyahoga County? This should also include their residences at the time the license was issued. An index to licenses from 1810 through April 1998 can be found at http://probate.cuyahogacounty.us/ml/. More details regarding this index and how to obtain a free copy of the record can be found at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~officer/CuyOhMarIndx.html. I did a search and found a William W Rowe and a Katherine F Davis in the index. Nancy At 01:09 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote: >Hi, > > > >I just joined the list to see you could help me figure something out. No >disrespect to Cleveland, but is there any reason to travel some distance to >get married there? I have a copy of the original marriage license for my >great grandfather William Walter Rowe and his bride Catherine Davis. They >were married at Saint John's Cathedral in Cleveland on 2 Aug 1892. William >was born in Canada emigrated to the U.S. in 1875. I'm reasonably sure it >was to Michigan. Catherine was from Wisconsin. A year later, their first >child was born in Detroit and they appear there in the 1900 census having >three more children born there. > > > >One possible answer is that William had a brother, David Rowe, living there. >The latter appears in the 1900 and 1910 census for Cleveland and also >emigrated in 1875. I'm currently trying to find more evidence that they >were brothers as the linkage is quite tenuous at the moment. > > > >Catherine's parents were Irish so she may have been Catholic. Was Saint >John's a big draw for marriages? > > > >My Aunt tells me Catherine studied piano at Juilliard, which is in New York >city. Is there any well known music schools in Cleveland in the event she >has the school wrong? > > > >Finally, is there anything I can look at for residence in the city in >1890-92 like a tax list? Only if we had the 1890 census. > > > >Thanks for any help, > >Curt Rowe > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Great link. Anyone wishing to use it has to make sure to get both lines as it's broken up in my email. Doing the search I came across "Rowe's French Female ...". I wonder what that was. There also was a baseball player named Rowe. Quite enteraining. -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of genealogygal2@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:10 PM To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? This is something that is new to me - newspapers for 1845-1969. It's an index and you get a snippet of the article and the date and publication. You could then write to the Cleveland Public Library and provide that information to get a copy of the article, or, you can pay to access the article online. Laura http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=HA-CPDB&p_theme=hi stpaper&p_action=keyword On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:16:10 -0600 "Bette McIntosh" <bmcintosh@new.rr.com> writes: > I am not situated in Ohio. Can anyone offer thoughts as to the best > online > resource(s) to use to check for local newspaper articles regarding > Cleveland, Cuyahoga happenings (e.g. marriages etc.). I am not so > interested in contemporary news articles as I am in those that were > written > ca. 1870-1950. I have used www.newspaperarchive.com, available > through my > local library, for locations other than Cuyahoga Co, but > unfortunately > Cleveland papers are not included in the website's database. > > Bette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Archdekin" <archde.omaha@cox.net> > To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? > > > > You might also check for newspaper accounts of their marriage - > in > > Cleveland and in their hometowns. These may offer a clue as to > why > > they married where they did. If those aren't available check for > an > > article reporting an anniversary (25th, 50th) in a local > newspaper. > > Nancy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=CZy5xvTFza_QfggRoIvEaAAAJ1DVKa 65aLQa6njgwvCoVzvPAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good questions. In the 1900 census for Detroit, he was a Rail Road Conductor. Also, his wife's father was living with them. Her parents were in Wisconsin in 1880. Curt -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Ann Lee Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:20 PM To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? You don't say what your ggfather did for a living. That may be why he was in Cleveland. Where were Catherine Davis' parents living at the time of their marriage? Maybe they were in Cleveland. The cornerstone for St. John's Cathedral was laid in 1848 and work on the Gothic style church was completed in 1852. It also housed a school. It is a gorgeous church. As for music schools, the Cleveland Music School Settlement was founded in 1912 and the Cleveland Institute of Music in 1920. All of the above information on these sites is online. You can also Google "The Encyclopedia of Cleveland History" and find out lots about Cleveland institutions there by using the index and searching alphabetically. Nancy L. -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Curt Rowe Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:10 PM To: OHCUYAHO@rootsweb.com Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? Hi, I just joined the list to see you could help me figure something out. No disrespect to Cleveland, but is there any reason to travel some distance to get married there? I have a copy of the original marriage license for my great grandfather William Walter Rowe and his bride Catherine Davis. They were married at Saint John's Cathedral in Cleveland on 2 Aug 1892. William was born in Canada emigrated to the U.S. in 1875. I'm reasonably sure it was to Michigan. Catherine was from Wisconsin. A year later, their first child was born in Detroit and they appear there in the 1900 census having three more children born there. One possible answer is that William had a brother, David Rowe, living there. The latter appears in the 1900 and 1910 census for Cleveland and also emigrated in 1875. I'm currently trying to find more evidence that they were brothers as the linkage is quite tenuous at the moment. Catherine's parents were Irish so she may have been Catholic. Was Saint John's a big draw for marriages? My Aunt tells me Catherine studied piano at Juilliard, which is in New York city. Is there any well known music schools in Cleveland in the event she has the school wrong? Finally, is there anything I can look at for residence in the city in 1890-92 like a tax list? Only if we had the 1890 census. Thanks for any help, Curt Rowe ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nancy, Thanks for the tips. I tried the email address for the church archivist, but it bounced. I've requested the correct one. I'll post the correct one if I get it. I did find the same entry in the marriage license record as you did and sent off the request. That's the first time I've found any record of this marriage. I looked for online city directories, but didn't find anything yet. I may have to make a trip to our local genealogy library in San Francisco. Thanks for the excellent information, Curt -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Archdekin Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:52 AM To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? I'd also suggest you look at the city directories, but don't put 100% faith on the years they are included in the directories. I found myself still listed in one directory 3 years after I moved 1000 miles away. You might also check for newspaper accounts of their marriage - in Cleveland and in their hometowns. These may offer a clue as to why they married where they did. If those aren't available check for an article reporting an anniversary (25th, 50th) in a local newspaper. If you don't already have it, you might check the actual entry in the church records to see if there was a notation regarding their places of residence. See http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~officer/CuyOhFAQ.html#CATH OLIC. Have you checked for a marriage license record in Cuyahoga County? This should also include their residences at the time the license was issued. An index to licenses from 1810 through April 1998 can be found at http://probate.cuyahogacounty.us/ml/. More details regarding this index and how to obtain a free copy of the record can be found at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~officer/CuyOhMarIndx.html. I did a search and found a William W Rowe and a Katherine F Davis in the index. Nancy At 01:09 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote: >Hi, > > > >I just joined the list to see you could help me figure something out. No >disrespect to Cleveland, but is there any reason to travel some distance to >get married there? I have a copy of the original marriage license for my >great grandfather William Walter Rowe and his bride Catherine Davis. They >were married at Saint John's Cathedral in Cleveland on 2 Aug 1892. William >was born in Canada emigrated to the U.S. in 1875. I'm reasonably sure it >was to Michigan. Catherine was from Wisconsin. A year later, their first >child was born in Detroit and they appear there in the 1900 census having >three more children born there. > > > >One possible answer is that William had a brother, David Rowe, living there. >The latter appears in the 1900 and 1910 census for Cleveland and also >emigrated in 1875. I'm currently trying to find more evidence that they >were brothers as the linkage is quite tenuous at the moment. > > > >Catherine's parents were Irish so she may have been Catholic. Was Saint >John's a big draw for marriages? > > > >My Aunt tells me Catherine studied piano at Juilliard, which is in New York >city. Is there any well known music schools in Cleveland in the event she >has the school wrong? > > > >Finally, is there anything I can look at for residence in the city in >1890-92 like a tax list? Only if we had the 1890 census. > > > >Thanks for any help, > >Curt Rowe > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Lila, You're right, if it was for some personal reason they chose it, I may never know. I wanted to know if there is compelling reason to marry there. If they got married at Niagra Falls, I wouldn't be guessing why. Curt -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lila Garner Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:18 AM To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? There are city directories for Cleveland. Some are at Ancestry.com but I don't know the years off the top of my head. As to why they went to Cleveland, some things simply cannot be explained. The couple I search got married in Lake County when both lived in Cleveland/Cuyahoga. We will never know why. Lila > From: amroots@zetcho.com > To: OHCUYAHO@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:09:47 -0800 > Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Why Marry in Cleveland? > > Hi, > > > > I just joined the list to see you could help me figure something out. No > disrespect to Cleveland, but is there any reason to travel some distance to > get married there? I have a copy of the original marriage license for my > great grandfather William Walter Rowe and his bride Catherine Davis. They > were married at Saint John's Cathedral in Cleveland on 2 Aug 1892. William > was born in Canada emigrated to the U.S. in 1875. I'm reasonably sure it > was to Michigan. Catherine was from Wisconsin. A year later, their first > child was born in Detroit and they appear there in the 1900 census having > three more children born there. > > > > One possible answer is that William had a brother, David Rowe, living there. > The latter appears in the 1900 and 1910 census for Cleveland and also > emigrated in 1875. I'm currently trying to find more evidence that they > were brothers as the linkage is quite tenuous at the moment. > > > > Catherine's parents were Irish so she may have been Catholic. Was Saint > John's a big draw for marriages? > > > > My Aunt tells me Catherine studied piano at Juilliard, which is in New York > city. Is there any well known music schools in Cleveland in the event she > has the school wrong? > > > > Finally, is there anything I can look at for residence in the city in > 1890-92 like a tax list? Only if we had the 1890 census. > > > > Thanks for any help, > > Curt Rowe > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I just joined the list to see you could help me figure something out. No disrespect to Cleveland, but is there any reason to travel some distance to get married there? I have a copy of the original marriage license for my great grandfather William Walter Rowe and his bride Catherine Davis. They were married at Saint John's Cathedral in Cleveland on 2 Aug 1892. William was born in Canada emigrated to the U.S. in 1875. I'm reasonably sure it was to Michigan. Catherine was from Wisconsin. A year later, their first child was born in Detroit and they appear there in the 1900 census having three more children born there. One possible answer is that William had a brother, David Rowe, living there. The latter appears in the 1900 and 1910 census for Cleveland and also emigrated in 1875. I'm currently trying to find more evidence that they were brothers as the linkage is quite tenuous at the moment. Catherine's parents were Irish so she may have been Catholic. Was Saint John's a big draw for marriages? My Aunt tells me Catherine studied piano at Juilliard, which is in New York city. Is there any well known music schools in Cleveland in the event she has the school wrong? Finally, is there anything I can look at for residence in the city in 1890-92 like a tax list? Only if we had the 1890 census. Thanks for any help, Curt Rowe

Paul Nelson is the Historian at the Western Reserve Fire Mesuem. The Western Reserve Fire Museum and Education Center 310 Carnegie Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio 44115 216.664.6312 nelsonp@wrfmc.com -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mrs. tamera Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:45 AM To: OHCUYAHO@rootsweb.com Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Dwight Hennie-Cleveland Fireman My great grandfather, Dwight Hennie, was chief fireman for the Cleveland Fire Dept. I was wondering if anyone would know if and how I could get a copy of his fireman records?

Contact Paul Nelson at the Cleveland Fireman's Museum. He is the historian there. Michelle A. Day, President Woodland Cemetery Foundation of Cleveland, Ohio PO Box 1966 Cleveland, OH 44106 www.wcfcle.org 501(c)3 nonprofit organization 216.319.2091 -----Original Message----- From: ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohcuyaho-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ohcuyaho-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:01 AM To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Subject: OHCUYAHO Digest, Vol 5, Issue 8 Today's Topics: 1. Dwight Hennie-Cleveland Fireman (mrs. tamera) 2. Re: Cleveland Police Museum (Dawn Butler) 3. Re: Dwight Hennie-Cleveland Fireman (Susan) 4. possible marriage in Cleveland (Sue Maxwell) 5. Re: possible marriage in Cleveland (Eliz Hanebury) 6. Re: possible marriage in Cleveland (Sue Maxwell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:45:18 -0500 From: "mrs. tamera" <coko219@gmail.com> Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Dwight Hennie-Cleveland Fireman To: OHCUYAHO@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6c8a4a7b1001180345m2b5bf468o1a395273f48bc6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, My great grandfather, Dwight Hennie, was chief fireman for the Cleveland Fire Dept. I was wondering if anyone would know if and how I could get a copy of his fireman records? Thanks! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:51:45 -0800 (PST) From: Dawn Butler <dawncts@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland Police Museum To: OHCUYAHO@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <762685.35469.qm@web33401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Michelle- I will email them. ? Message: 1 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:59:08 -0500 From: "Michelle Ann Day" <michelleann@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Cleveland Police Museum To: <ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <04e301ca96e6$5dd057e0$197107a0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" http://www.clevelandpolicemuseum.org/ Contact is Allan Coates and he will tell you if there is a file on the police officer you are researching. Michelle A. Day, President Woodland Cemetery Foundation of Cleveland, Ohio PO Box 1966 Cleveland, OH 44106 www.wcfcle.org 501(c)3 nonprofit organization 216.319.2091 ? ? Charles Fisher (Fischer) was a patrolman in Cleveland from approximately 1874-1884.? I am wondering if anyone would know if there are personnel records available and who I would contact regarding these. Thanks Dawn ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:21:53 -0800 (PST) From: Susan <myheritage@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Dwight Hennie-Cleveland Fireman To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <744265.41549.qm@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Posted this at Ancestry http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.cuyah oga/5716/mb.ashx --- On Mon, 1/18/10, mrs. tamera <coko219@gmail.com> wrote: From: mrs. tamera <coko219@gmail.com> Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Dwight Hennie-Cleveland Fireman To: OHCUYAHO@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 6:45 AM Hi everyone, My great grandfather, Dwight Hennie, was chief fireman for the Cleveland Fire Dept. I was wondering if anyone would know if and how I could get a copy of his fireman records? Thanks! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:58:26 -0700 From: Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> Subject: [OHCUYAHO] possible marriage in Cleveland To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4B549332.1050000@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I was on this list a few months ago learning how to access info about my ggg grandfather and one of his sons, Valentine Swain. I sure found alot with your help. I am trying to track the marriage of my gg, his brother, Shubael Edgar Swain. He was a NYC lawyer, not a Catholic, but married an Irish Catholic woman. Where is the question, as I can't pin down anything definate about it or her before marriage. About him I know alot. Since his father died, after moving up to Ohio from NYC, to be with Valentine, and the city directories and logic lead you to believe that Shubael Edgar was up there for his father's illness and death, it is just possible that he may have met and married his wife up there. Probably the entire family would have come up for the funeral, or before. His wife's name was Catherine Nagle. I did look on Ancestry for Nagles up there with not much luck. So this is a long shot in the dark. I am writing to NYC Catholic churches, but thought I would give this possibility a try also. I forget where I have to look or write to to get a marriage record. I did one for Valentine several years ago- Thanks, Sue Maxwell ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:01:39 -0500 From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] possible marriage in Cleveland To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <e7cade161001181601r55926544r152848b342344be6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Courtview 2000 or familysearch.org http://opengen.net/usa/states/ohio/vital-record-batch-numbers pick Cuyahoga then year http://probate.cuyahogacounty.us/ml/ Eliz On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> wrote: > I was on this list a few months ago learning how to access info about my > ggg grandfather and one of his sons, Valentine Swain. I sure found alot > with your help. > > I am trying to track the marriage of my gg, his brother, Shubael Edgar > Swain. He was a NYC lawyer, not a Catholic, but married an Irish > Catholic woman. Where is the question, as I can't pin down anything > definate about it or her before marriage. About him I know alot. Since > his father died, after moving up to Ohio from NYC, to be with Valentine, > and the city directories and logic lead you to believe that Shubael > Edgar was up there for his father's illness and death, it is just > possible that he may have met and married his wife up there. Probably > the entire family would have come up for the funeral, or before. His > wife's name was Catherine Nagle. I did look on Ancestry for Nagles up > there with not much luck. So this is a long shot in the dark. > > I am writing to NYC Catholic churches, but thought I would give this > possibility a try also. I forget where I have to look or write to to get > a marriage record. I did one for Valentine several years ago- > > Thanks, Sue Maxwell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:50:00 -0700 From: Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] possible marriage in Cleveland To: ohcuyaho@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4B550FC8.9000205@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed wrong guess- that eliminates that idea- thanks. Sue Eliz Hanebury wrote: > Courtview 2000 or familysearch.org > http://opengen.net/usa/states/ohio/vital-record-batch-numbers pick > Cuyahoga then year > > http://probate.cuyahogacounty.us/ml/ > > > Eliz > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> wrote: > >> I was on this list a few months ago learning how to access info about my >> ggg grandfather and one of his sons, Valentine Swain. I sure found alot >> with your help. >> >> I am trying to track the marriage of my gg, his brother, Shubael Edgar >> Swain. He was a NYC lawyer, not a Catholic, but married an Irish >> Catholic woman. Where is the question, as I can't pin down anything >> definate about it or her before marriage. About him I know alot. Since >> his father died, after moving up to Ohio from NYC, to be with Valentine, >> and the city directories and logic lead you to believe that Shubael >> Edgar was up there for his father's illness and death, it is just >> possible that he may have met and married his wife up there. Probably >> the entire family would have come up for the funeral, or before. His >> wife's name was Catherine Nagle. I did look on Ancestry for Nagles up >> there with not much luck. So this is a long shot in the dark. >> >> I am writing to NYC Catholic churches, but thought I would give this >> possibility a try also. I forget where I have to look or write to to get >> a marriage record. I did one for Valentine several years ago- >> >> Thanks, Sue Maxwell >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ To contact the OHCUYAHO list administrator, send an email to OHCUYAHO-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the OHCUYAHO mailing list, send an email to OHCUYAHO@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHCUYAHO-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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