Hello, You all are so helpful, so I thought you might be able to help with this. I just found my husband's g-g-g-grandmother ALICIA JULIA HYDE in the Cleveland Directory in 1865-66. She is a boarder at 273 Columbus and is unmarried--, no profession is listed. Since I have not been able to find a family for ALICIA, or to find her in the 1850 or 1860 census, I am grabbing at this thread. Here is my question: what was she doing living in Cleveland, alone, in 1865? Could she have been a teacher (my mother-in-law seems to remember hearing this) and if so, how do I find that out? Also, is it possible to find out whom she rented from? She claimed in her husband Civil War pension paperwork that she was born in October of 1844 in Steubenville, Ohio, so she would have been about 21 at the time. In April of 1866 she would mary JOHN HENRY GALVIN. I tried "paging through" the directory to find other unmarried women boarders, but it seemed pretty unusual--should I be shocked? Thank you for any thoughts on this. Catherine OHCUYAHO-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 OHCUYAHO-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 292 Today's Topics: #1 Wheatley - Welbourn ["Colleen Waggle" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from OHCUYAHO-D, send a message to OHCUYAHO-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:54:19 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Colleen Waggle" To: OHCUYAHO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Wheatley - Welbourn John Wheatley born May 1845 in England died April 28, 1901 East Liverpool, Ohio. He married Susan Welbourn June 22, 1872 in Saineville, Ohio. They had the following children; Robert, John, James (my great grandfather) Mary, Elizabeth, Joseph, Margaret, Catherine, Ida, Charles, Lawrence and Helen. Robert married Mary Agatha Martin in 1897 and moved to Cleveland with his brother John and his wife Harriet Ida Bloor about 1930. James married Theresa Jane Dorff 1898 and died 1902 at age 27. Colleen Wheatley, Welbourn, Dorff, Anderson --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!

John Wheatley born May 1845 in England died April 28, 1901 East Liverpool, Ohio. He married Susan Welbourn June 22, 1872 in Saineville, Ohio. They had the following children; Robert, John, James (my great grandfather) Mary, Elizabeth, Joseph, Margaret, Catherine, Ida, Charles, Lawrence and Helen. Robert married Mary Agatha Martin in 1897 and moved to Cleveland with his brother John and his wife Harriet Ida Bloor about 1930. James married Theresa Jane Dorff 1898 and died 1902 at age 27. Colleen Wheatley, Welbourn, Dorff, Anderson

The Ohio Historical Center is holding several workshops this fall to help genealogy buffs learn more about climbing their family trees. Digging through probate. On Oct. 28, Understanding The Probate Process will be offered from 1-4 p.m. at the Ohio Historical Center. When a person is deceased, the probate process prescribes the disposition of his or her assets. Very often the probate file is a veritable gold mine of genealogical information. This course describes the probate process both when there is a will and when no will exists. It explains the legal language involved so that one is able one to recognize various documents and understand their purpose. The value of other court cases as genealogical date sources is also discussed as well as the relevance of land records involved in probate. Photography clues. Putting the Clues Together: Learning More About Your Family Photographs will also be offered at the center Oct. 28. The seminar, from 6:30-7:30 p.m., will focus on 19th and early 20th century photography. Participants will sharpen observation skills and learn how to date a photograph can give you new tools to use when doing family genealogy and research. Those attending are encouraged to bring a photograph or two. Vital statistics. The Cornerstones of Genealogy will be offered from 10 a.m. to l p.m. Oct. 30 at the Ohio Historical Center. This course establishes the foundation for all further genealogical research. It describes the uses and sources of vital statistics, census records, land records, and probate files. The class also includes topics such as military records, church records, identifying female ancestors, importance of source documentation, news papers, family portraits, obscure sources, and record preservation. Each class has registration fee and deadlines for registering. Call 614-297-2666 or 800-686-1541 for details. Bill Takacs - btakacs@nccw.net

Mahoning County genealogical group will meet Oct. 18 YOUNGSTOWN The Mahoning County Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Society will hold its regularly scheduled meeting Oct. 18 at 7:30 p.m at St. Charles Church, 7325 Westview Drive in Boardman. The event is handicapped accessible. The speaking panel includes Georgene Morgan Fry, vital statistics; Pamela O'Dea Burgess, library; and Jocelyn Fox Wilms, courthouse. Interest group. The computer interest group will meet at 6:30 p.m., prior to the meeting. Anyone interested in genealogy software and related online computer problems is welcome. For information visit www.mahoningcountychapterogs.org. Bill Takacs - btakacs@nccw.net Researching - Takacs/Szeszta, Koteles&Bialko/Torna & Torna UjFalu and Spisak/Boldokorvalja

Hello. This list has been extremely helpful in the past - so let me try one more time! 1) Are there any historical maps of Cleveland online that can help me locate my families' locations based on their census records? (i.e. if I know the ED, but don't have/can't read the street name on the census record, is there a way to translate the ED to a map location?) 2) Once I have figured out where my families in Cleveland lived, does anyone know a way to determine which churches were nearby? (So I can start inquiring about baptism/marriage/birth records?) Perhaps my questions are too vague...let me know :) Thanks, Kelly moranfamilytree@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement

Hi Yes, you can translate the info from the census that will enable you to find out where your family lived. And, yes, just say to us the church (which you can also find out from their obituary) and it would probably ring a bell, as would the name of the street. Who are your relatives? Who are you looking for and their birthdates? What was their religion? Lots of people on the list have lived all their lives in Cleveland, so, just ask for what you need. christie Kelly Moran <moranfamilytree@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello. This list has been extremely helpful in the past - so let me try one more time! 1) Are there any historical maps of Cleveland online that can help me locate my families' locations based on their census records? (i.e. if I know the ED, but don't have/can't read the street name on the census record, is there a way to translate the ED to a map location?) 2) Once I have figured out where my families in Cleveland lived, does anyone know a way to determine which churches were nearby? (So I can start inquiring about baptism/marriage/birth records?) Perhaps my questions are too vague...let me know :) Thanks, Kelly moranfamilytree@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Register your surnames and queries at (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

The VA has released burial information for all VA cemeteries. It is now online. Here is the URL www.cem.va.gov Jack McMonagle

My great-great grandparents were Charles (1831-1920) and Fredericka (1828-1915) Lindeman. They were born in Germany and immigrated to Cleveland. They had many children, including my great-grandmother Elizabeth (married LaPierre) and her brother Charles J. (1860-1956) who married Lena Sartoris (1869-1961). This pair had two sons. Clarence C. (abt 1894-1953) married Anna (abt 1885-1974). William (1892-1974) married Hazel Brothers (1894-1976) and had two sons: James B. and William C. William and Hazel moved to Columbus, Ohio. The rest were in the Cleveland area. Is anyone else out there related to this bunch? I would love to hear from you and compare notes.

Try the Cuyahoga County Probate Court at 1 Lakeside Avenue, in the Old Courthouse.

Does anyone know where I may be able to obtain a certificate of marriage for a wedding that was preformed at Trinity Baptist Church, Fullerton & Euclid Ave., Cleveland, in 1919? Thanks Rose

My grandfather was born in Posen, Prussia in 1892 -- now Poland. Big German colonies all around the area. My great-grandmother was somehow related to a Prussian General who fought for Germany in W.W.I -- had a German last name, yet was also born around Posen. My great-grandfather had a Polish surname -- Konopinski -- yet also spoke German, considered himself German, emigrated to Pittsburgh with my grandfather -- with his wife and second son arriving after his birth. One of the great things about family history -- is that it brings the history we learned in school -- ALIVE. I've studied a lot more diligently since I've linked my FAMILY to the history of Europe. My proud all-"German" grandmother turned out to be about 1/4 French -- as her grandmother's family lived in Alsace, which changed "owners" quite a bit (French and German -- is what I remember -- and a surname like NOULLET and French names for the girls in the early 1800's). And my husband turned out to be 9th generation American, descendent of Quaker immigrants who came over on William Penn's second ship to Pennsylvania. I majored in American literature -- so -- linking Bob's family history (they moved and moved and moved -- West -- West-er and West-est!) to geography and American history has been interesting. They married their neighbors, their cousins, their cousins once-removed -- and moved on to new settlements with them, from Pennsylvania to North Carolina to Ohio, Indiana, Missouri -- and points west of there. Lots of HIATT or HYATT or HITE families in America -- with some of the same family stories that go back to the Armada. And the most fun for me -- his immigrant 9th great grandmother was a Quaker minister. An IRISH Quaker minister -- so all Bob's jokes about MY part-Irish heritage -- turned on him. Life is good. Genealogy is the most fun. surely made our vacations a lot more interesting! Warm regards, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> To: <OHCUYAHO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Poland That area was most likley not Germany but Prussia, which in the 1800s was part of the German Empire. A unified nation called Germany did not come into existance until around 1860! Germany did occupy part of Poland from 1918 to 1921 Robert Michelle Ann Day <michelleann@ameritech.net> wrote: It was actually Germany also. My great grandparents property was in German (Aleksandrowo) which is now located in the middle of Poland. This all changed between 1920 and 1940. Some of the baptismal records say German, some Poland. Michelle --- CHRISTIE FOX wrote: > Hi list: > > Would someone please tell me what Poland was called > before it was actually Poland. > I mean like who owned the land. > > thanks > > christiefox@prodigy.net > > > > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > Please remember to change your subject lines to > correspond with your message and capitalize all > surnames. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the > new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click > to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Register your surnames and queries at (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Register your surnames and queries at (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 10/12/2004 12:17:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kcs423@aol.com writes: In the 1880 census at www.familysearch.org , there is a family in Cleveland James Johnson, 35, b. IRE, policeman Margaret, 37, b. IRE is Margaret McCuen Amanda, 12 m George Brake had daughter Nellie Brake James, 10 James was James David Johnston , owner of Johnston's Society Orchestras & Bands. Mary, 8 Mary was born 1872 and could not find her any where after that. She was never mentioned, only Amanda & a lot of info on James David Johnston. There was also a Willie b. 1870 & d. 1879 Margaret, 5 Was known as Mabel and was my grandmother. Mabel Johnston m. Robert Hilands, my grandfather. Thank you again. This is my family. I never thought to search JOHNSON. I should know better because of the many different ways Hilands has been spelled. Both of what you sent me are JOHNSON in 1870 & 1880. I should know better to have checked. Thanks, Bob

That area was most likley not Germany but Prussia, which in the 1800s was part of the German Empire. A unified nation called Germany did not come into existance until around 1860! Germany did occupy part of Poland from 1918 to 1921 Robert Michelle Ann Day <michelleann@ameritech.net> wrote: It was actually Germany also. My great grandparents property was in German (Aleksandrowo) which is now located in the middle of Poland. This all changed between 1920 and 1940. Some of the baptismal records say German, some Poland. Michelle --- CHRISTIE FOX wrote: > Hi list: > > Would someone please tell me what Poland was called > before it was actually Poland. > I mean like who owned the land. > > thanks > > christiefox@prodigy.net > > > > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > Please remember to change your subject lines to > correspond with your message and capitalize all > surnames. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the > new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click > to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Register your surnames and queries at (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

It was actually Germany also. My great grandparents property was in German (Aleksandrowo) which is now located in the middle of Poland. This all changed between 1920 and 1940. Some of the baptismal records say German, some Poland. Michelle --- CHRISTIE FOX <christiefox@prodigy.net> wrote: > Hi list: > > Would someone please tell me what Poland was called > before it was actually Poland. > I mean like who owned the land. > > thanks > > christiefox@prodigy.net > > > > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > Please remember to change your subject lines to > correspond with your message and capitalize all > surnames. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the > new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click > to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Bob, In the 1880 census at www.familysearch.org , there is a family in Cleveland James Johnson, 35, b. IRE, policeman Margaret, 37, b. IRE Amanda, 12 James, 10 Mary, 8 Margaret, 5 Another possiblity?

Amy, You're welcome! I am happy to help where and when I can. Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Museum Eastlake Ohio http://croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html KewlGenes <kewlgenes@rootsdiggers.com> wrote: Hi Robert, I am a newbie to the list and have been watching all the information pass through as I learn both the way the list is and about OH. I am writing this just to say thank you for sharing this information. It is funny how sometimes you know things in the back of your head, but it takes someone spelling it out for you for you to see it properly. This has been one of those things for me (LOL!) and while I was not the person asking the question, I have benefited greatly from your answer. Thank you! Best regards, Amy Lyles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Poland Who owned the land? Various people! Typically large tracts of lands were owned by nobil families in that part of Europe. FYI in the late 1770s the Polish Empire was divided 3 ways with the west going to Prussia, the south to Austria (this Austrian part was called Galicia or Galicy) and the east went to Russia. After WW I Poland was reunited and once again became a country. Except the eastern part of what was Galicia went to Ukraine. So at one time Poland was a large and powerful Kingdom and a Polish king saved Europe from being invaded completely by the Ottoman Turks. The link below wiil help with history and maps. http://www.polishroots.org/ Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Musuem Eastlake Ohio CHRISTIE FOX wrote: Hi list: Would someone please tell me what Poland was called before it was actually Poland. I mean like who owned the land. thanks christiefox@prodigy.net ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Register your surnames and queries at (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Robert, I am a newbie to the list and have been watching all the information pass through as I learn both the way the list is and about OH. I am writing this just to say thank you for sharing this information. It is funny how sometimes you know things in the back of your head, but it takes someone spelling it out for you for you to see it properly. This has been one of those things for me (LOL!) and while I was not the person asking the question, I have benefited greatly from your answer. Thank you! Best regards, Amy Lyles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> To: <OHCUYAHO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Poland Who owned the land? Various people! Typically large tracts of lands were owned by nobil families in that part of Europe. FYI in the late 1770s the Polish Empire was divided 3 ways with the west going to Prussia, the south to Austria (this Austrian part was called Galicia or Galicy) and the east went to Russia. After WW I Poland was reunited and once again became a country. Except the eastern part of what was Galicia went to Ukraine. So at one time Poland was a large and powerful Kingdom and a Polish king saved Europe from being invaded completely by the Ottoman Turks. The link below wiil help with history and maps. http://www.polishroots.org/ Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Musuem Eastlake Ohio CHRISTIE FOX <christiefox@prodigy.net> wrote: Hi list: Would someone please tell me what Poland was called before it was actually Poland. I mean like who owned the land. thanks christiefox@prodigy.net

We would like to determine the whereabouts of Bazeleel Burton & Mary Marshall who married in Cambridge, Ohio in 1822, there is an entry in 1830 Cambridge Census that would appear to be this family and a listing in 1850 East Cleveland Census that is deffinitely the family. We have lost them between 1830 and 1850. Mary died in Cleveland after 1880. Would also hope to find a death for Bazeleel between 1850 & 1860 when Mary was listed as a widow. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jessie Burton

Who owned the land? Various people! Typically large tracts of lands were owned by nobil families in that part of Europe. FYI in the late 1770s the Polish Empire was divided 3 ways with the west going to Prussia, the south to Austria (this Austrian part was called Galicia or Galicy) and the east went to Russia. After WW I Poland was reunited and once again became a country. Except the eastern part of what was Galicia went to Ukraine. So at one time Poland was a large and powerful Kingdom and a Polish king saved Europe from being invaded completely by the Ottoman Turks. The link below wiil help with history and maps. http://www.polishroots.org/ Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Musuem Eastlake Ohio CHRISTIE FOX <christiefox@prodigy.net> wrote: Hi list: Would someone please tell me what Poland was called before it was actually Poland. I mean like who owned the land. thanks christiefox@prodigy.net ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Please remember to change your subject lines to correspond with your message and capitalize all surnames. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Thanks for posting this email address. Christine Krosel did receive my email via this address. Jean