Thanks, Ceal for the tip! I will mail St. Jerome's ----- Original Message ----- From: <CEAL611@aol.com> To: <OHCUYAHO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Sabolovich and Posovad (Posovec?) > In a message dated 12/15/2004 9:38:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > bisforbooks@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > I tried to obtain my father's baptismal record > > from a lady that looks them up for the Catholic Churches. I wasn't certain > > if he was baptized at St. Jerome or St. Monica. The lady I corresponded > > with seemed to believe it was more than likely St. Jerome. I have never > > heard back from her. > > > > If you have any suggestions as to how to proceed, I would be very grateful, > > indeed. Thank you for your time. > > > > Why don't you call Amy who is the secretary at St. Jerome at 481-8200 and > ask her if there is any chance of finding the record? Or mail her at 15000 > Lake Shore Blvd., Cleveland 44110. > > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > Please visit the Cuyahoga County GenWeb website at (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Sandy: This is the site that I've looked at regarding housing. If you know the address it will give you specifics on the house. The archives have books on plats etc. but I don't think they have blueprints etc. This is your best bet I believe. http://auditor.cuyahogacounty.us/repi/default.asp Good Luck, Nancy On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:25 -0500, Sandy Rozhon <srozhon@comcast.net> wrote: > Does anyone know when building permits became a requirement in > Cuyahoga County? > > Also, what information might be available regarding what the house > might have looked like? > > Does the County Archives hold any of these records? > > Thanks, > Sandy > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > If you have Cuyahoga County data to share or own any books > that you could offer lookups in, please the County Coordinator via email at (katemcclellan@vintagerecollections.com). > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Does anyone know when building permits became a requirement in Cuyahoga County? Also, what information might be available regarding what the house might have looked like? Does the County Archives hold any of these records? Thanks, Sandy

Good idea, Dennis!

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:56:40 EST, MAGSTAT@aol.com wrote: >Instead of the 3X5 cards, you can ask for the info--one grave at a >time--over the phone from Archivist @ Diocese, and she will--if you catch her at a >good moment--look up and give you all that info + info as to who purchased the >gravesite, and who else is buried there! At least, that has been MY >experience with the Archivist. Oh, oh! I can almost hear her phone ringing off the >wall right now! They did that once for me, but the lady specifically said she wasn't supposed to do that. I would advise against calling. Send a polite letter instead. And don't ask for slews of names all at once. And I would recommend making a contribution even if asking for 3 or fewer names. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

It's the Catholic Cemeteries Assoc who told me $5/grave after the first three. That was within the last year. I think they've upped the fees, unfortunately. > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:55:22 EST, Lmsvo@aol.com wrote: > > >Free semetery records from Catholic Diocese???? Who do I call??? Seems I > >had to purchase from Calvary........ > > It seems to me that the last time I did this (several years ago) they did the > first couple of names for free, but charged a buck or two per name if you sent > them a long list. > >

Instead of the 3X5 cards, you can ask for the info--one grave at a time--over the phone from Archivist @ Diocese, and she will--if you catch her at a good moment--look up and give you all that info + info as to who purchased the gravesite, and who else is buried there! At least, that has been MY experience with the Archivist. Oh, oh! I can almost hear her phone ringing off the wall right now!

Calvary Cemetery, Cleveland 3 x 5 cards included the following information. Last Name First Name Date of Burial or Death Age Section Lot Grave # Range Unfortunately, the 3 x 5 Calvary cards did not include all names of individuals buried in each plot. The photographs showed names of others placed in the grave plot though. Someday I will make a chart of all info I need re other graves in my ancestors plots and pursue that info... Lynne

The Miles Avenue address for the Catholic Diocese is actually the address of Calvary Cemetery itself. Which is o.k. But the Catholic Diocese address that I was referring to--though either location would work--is in downtown Cleveland, next to St. John's Cathedral, on East 9th Street @ Superior Avenue. It is at this address that the office of Bishop Anthony Pilla is located, and where the main Diocese offices--including that of the Archivist--are located.

L... What information did the cemetery plot cards contain? Will the cards indicate all of the deceased buried in the plots? Thanks, Paul Bauer Brentwood PA -----Original Message----- From: Lmsvo@aol.com [mailto:Lmsvo@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:31 AM To: OHCUYAHO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] St Mary's Cemetery In June, 2003, I received 3 free cemetery plot location cards and I paid $5.00 each for 9 others = $45.00!!! I then paid someone to photograph the sites. If I still lived in Cleveland, I would have done it myself, but at least I have pics to include in a family history book in the future. Maybe I should have asked for 3 at a time over the course of a few months?!?!? Thanks for responding...L ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Please visit the Cuyahoga County GenWeb Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

In June, 2003, I received 3 free cemetery plot location cards and I paid $5.00 each for 9 others = $45.00!!! I then paid someone to photograph the sites. If I still lived in Cleveland, I would have done it myself, but at least I have pics to include in a family history book in the future. Maybe I should have asked for 3 at a time over the course of a few months?!?!? Thanks for responding...L

That is the address for Calvary Cemetery. Calvary cemetery is the home of the CCA. They will do 3 records for free then you have to pay...a little tip.....just request 3 names at a time and be sure to include a SASE. Lisa The last address I had was... Catholic Cemetery Association Diocese of Cleveland 10000 Miles Ave. PO Box 605310 Cleveland, OH 44105 You can probably find their phone number at www.switchboard.com if you want to check out their current policy. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ****************** ______________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Looking for long lost family pictures and other artifacts? Try...... www.FamilyArtifacts.net My research service web page http://www.hometown.aol.com/liroge88/myhomepage/business.html Need pictures taken in Cuyahoga County?http://hometown.aol.com/genealogypics4u/myhomepage/business.html

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:55:22 EST, Lmsvo@aol.com wrote: >Free semetery records from Catholic Diocese???? Who do I call??? Seems I >had to purchase from Calvary........ It seems to me that the last time I did this (several years ago) they did the first couple of names for free, but charged a buck or two per name if you sent them a long list. The last address I had was... Catholic Cemetery Association Diocese of Cleveland 10000 Miles Ave. PO Box 605310 Cleveland, OH 44105 You can probably find their phone number at www.switchboard.com if you want to check out their current policy. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

In a message dated 12/15/2004 9:38:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, bisforbooks@sbcglobal.net writes: > I tried to obtain my father's baptismal record > from a lady that looks them up for the Catholic Churches. I wasn't certain > if he was baptised at St. Jerome or St. Monica. The lady I corresponded > with seemed to believe it was more than likely St. Jerome. I have never > heard back from her. > > If you have any suggestions as to how to proceed, I would be very greatful, > indeed. Thank you for your time. > Why don't you call Amy who is the secretary at St. Jerome at 481-8200 and ask her if there is any chance of finding the record? Or mail her at 15000 Lake Shore Blvd., Cleveland 44110.

Hello Roberta, Yes there is every chance of finding Croatian ancestors.. there are 2 Josip (=Joseph) SABOLOVIC (sounds like shahbohlohvich) arr at Ellis Is one in 1913 from Rijeka going to Middletown Ohio the other arr 1905 age 24 going to PA... both are listed as being married the one arr age 30 from Gjurdevac in 1913 listed his wife ad Jela (yela=Helen). And there is a Kata (kahtah= Kate diminuntive of Katarina arr 1906 age 22 destination E. Liverpool to father? brother? Ivan (eevon=John) PEREC her former residence Kasljavac which is not too far from Gjurdevac (sp today Durdevac) If you want you may email be direct at rjerin26@yahoo.com Oh and POSOVAD is not a likely sp it may be POSAVEC, POSOVAC, POSAVAC, POSAVEC Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Museum Cleveland Ohio bisforbooks <bisforbooks@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Well, Robert, you did ask ;=) My paternal grandmother and grandfather came here to Ohio prior to 1913. But not very much prior. My grandfather died in the 1920's. My grandmother died in the 1970's. My father died in 1949 (age 36). His one sister moved to Oregon and another brother and sister moved to Florida. I believe they are all deceased. I think I might have my grandfather's death certificate, but it only states that he and his wife were born in Europe. My grandfather's name was Joseph Sabolovich and my grandmother's name was Katarina either Posovec or Posovad. Is there any hope of ever finding ancestors? Where do I go? I tried to obtain my father's baptismal record from a lady that looks them up for the Catholic Churches. I wasn't certain if he was baptised at St. Jerome or St. Monica. The lady I corresponded with seemed to believe it was more than likely St. Jerome. I have never heard back from her. If you have any suggestions as to how to proceed, I would be very greatful, indeed. Thank you for your time. Roberta Sabol Chapin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:15 AM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Central and East Europeans in Cleveland > Cleveland (area) has had one of the largest influx of Slavic people from Central and Eastern Europe of any city in the US. Up into the 1960s immigration of peoples from that region continued at a slowed but still repectable pace, with many leaving their communist run homelands and some escaping as political prisoners. With improved economic conditions all over Europe in the 1960s many went to Germany and other free countries. The fall (mostly due to internal reasons) of communism left many economies in shambles and also opened the doors to the west. Europeans continue to be our largest immigrant group (with many coming from Russia (both Christian and Jewish) and Bosnian-Croats fleeing there centuries old Croatian homeland in Bosnia. Approximately 50,000 people in NE Ohio are either from Croatia/Bosnia or are descendants of immigrants from those nations. Some folks are not aware of their Croatian heritage! Many believe they are "Yugoslav" (an ethnic group that is > non-existant!), Hungarian, Austrian or Italian. The major reason for this may be that prior to 1918 the King/Queens of the Habsburg Empire (aka Austria-Hungary) were also King/Queen of Croatia and after 1918 Croatia was placed into the newly founded Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes and then in 1929 it would be offically called Yugoslavia. > > Surnames in Croatia typically follow the 7 categories of surnames as do most European countries; 1) occupational (ie KOVAC = smith) , 2) patronymic (ie Ivanic = johnson), 3) matronymic KATIC (ie Kateson) , 4) locative (ie Bosanac = someone from Bosnia), 5) from nature (ie Hren = son of horse radish_ , 6) from foreign words (HARAMIJA = a turish warrior), 7) invented > > If someone is researching Croatian (inc Serb ethnicity) or Bosnian families please feel free to contact me if you need help. > > Robert Jerin > Croatian Heritage Museum > Cleveland Ohio > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > Please remember to change your subject lines to correspond with your message and capitalize all surnames. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== If you have Cuyahoga County data to share or own any books that you could offer lookups in, please the County Coordinator via email at (katemcclellan@vintagerecollections.com). ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I've never had to. Call the Diocese of Cleveland Archivist. Very helpful.

Free semetery records from Catholic Diocese???? Who do I call??? Seems I had to purchase from Calvary........ Lynne

Good news, Melanie! You can get the Calvary Cemetery records for FREE by calling the Cleveland Catholic Diocese and just asking! MAGSTAT

Well, Robert, you did ask ;=) My paternal grandmother and grandfather came here to Ohio prior to 1913. But not very much prior. My grandfather died in the 1920's. My grandmother died in the 1970's. My father died in 1949 (age 36). His one sister moved to Oregon and another brother and sister moved to Florida. I believe they are all deceased. I think I might have my grandfather's death certificate, but it only states that he and his wife were born in Europe. My grandfather's name was Joseph Sabolovich and my grandmother's name was Katarina either Posovec or Posovad. Is there any hope of ever finding ancestors? Where do I go? I tried to obtain my father's baptismal record from a lady that looks them up for the Catholic Churches. I wasn't certain if he was baptised at St. Jerome or St. Monica. The lady I corresponded with seemed to believe it was more than likely St. Jerome. I have never heard back from her. If you have any suggestions as to how to proceed, I would be very greatful, indeed. Thank you for your time. Roberta Sabol Chapin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> To: <OHCUYAHO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:15 AM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Central and East Europeans in Cleveland > Cleveland (area) has had one of the largest influx of Slavic people from Central and Eastern Europe of any city in the US. Up into the 1960s immigration of peoples from that region continued at a slowed but still repectable pace, with many leaving their communist run homelands and some escaping as political prisoners. With improved economic conditions all over Europe in the 1960s many went to Germany and other free countries. The fall (mostly due to internal reasons) of communism left many economies in shambles and also opened the doors to the west. Europeans continue to be our largest immigrant group (with many coming from Russia (both Christian and Jewish) and Bosnian-Croats fleeing there centuries old Croatian homeland in Bosnia. Approximately 50,000 people in NE Ohio are either from Croatia/Bosnia or are descendants of immigrants from those nations. Some folks are not aware of their Croatian heritage! Many believe they are "Yugoslav" (an ethnic group that is > non-existant!), Hungarian, Austrian or Italian. The major reason for this may be that prior to 1918 the King/Queens of the Habsburg Empire (aka Austria-Hungary) were also King/Queen of Croatia and after 1918 Croatia was placed into the newly founded Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes and then in 1929 it would be offically called Yugoslavia. > > Surnames in Croatia typically follow the 7 categories of surnames as do most European countries; 1) occupational (ie KOVAC = smith) , 2) patronymic (ie Ivanic = johnson), 3) matronymic KATIC (ie Kateson) , 4) locative (ie Bosanac = someone from Bosnia), 5) from nature (ie Hren = son of horse radish_ , 6) from foreign words (HARAMIJA = a turish warrior), 7) invented > > If someone is researching Croatian (inc Serb ethnicity) or Bosnian families please feel free to contact me if you need help. > > Robert Jerin > Croatian Heritage Museum > Cleveland Ohio > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > Please remember to change your subject lines to correspond with your message and capitalize all surnames. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I have to add...Holy Cross Cemetery is THE MOST unhelpful cemetery in the area. I have tried to get grave location information from them and they'll charge you $5/grave (if you request more than three)...and that's just for the location, not for anything else. I have real problems with that since my relatives paid to be buried there. I don't necessarily expect them to charge nothing, but $5/grave is robbery. Holy Cross also holds records for Calvary Cemetery, so this has been a huge block in my research. On the other hand, Brooklyn Heights Cemetery (for example) sent me copies of all the burial cards for everyone in the cemetery with the last names I was looking for. They paid for the copying AND mailing it to me...while I didn't expect that much from Holy Cross, I also didn't expect to have to pay so much for so little. Also, if anyone needs futher information on Cleveland Cemeteries, I have a book by Vicki Blum Vigil entitled Cleveland Cemeteries: Stones, Symbols, & Stories. It's quite helpful, especially in finding out where records are held. Melanie www.tracingfootprints.com