In regards to how foreign names are spelled....this is where it pays to do an internet search for the alphabet of that particular language... in the case of Czech and Slovak and all other Slavic languages spelled using the Roman alphabet (or variant thereof) they are phonetic, unlike English which has more variations than Wasington politicians have promises :) ! http://www.phespirit.info/alphabet/czech.htm In the case of COPTIS vs KOPTIS... the S in this case in the Czech alphabet is... K always sounds like the K in kit, � which sounds like the sh in the word ship, O is one of 2 O like in hot or � like the oo in the word door...P like pin.... I as in fit... but the T has a sound like the T in top not like a D. However in English when the letter C when followed by E it has a soft sound such as cede, is followed by an A or an O it has the sound as K in kit The above deals with what the speaker is saying in their native language and what the listener hears in their native language! Each language has at least some variations on how a certain letter is pronounced. The case with DUIKER vs DNIKER is entirely another issue and has nothing to do with "try to soundspell(ing) a name as many ways as you can". But it has everthing to do with studying articles about transcribing old handwrting or poor handwriting styles. Here is are links to a very good 2 part example of old handwriting. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Emahudson/images/old-hw1.gif http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Emahudson/images/old-hw2.gif When dealing with old handwriting n and u are two lower case letters that are commonly mistaken for one another. Here is a link to an article that I recently wrote about searching Ellis Island ship manifests using Stephen Morse's web page, which is the BEST page for searching Ellis Island. http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/2005/01/oddities-of-searching-ellis-island.html So when spelled in Slovak HEGEDI� would sound like HEGEDISH http://www.phespirit.info/alphabet/slovak.htm In regards to ethinicity I can tell you that if John HEGEDISH was Magyar (what ethnic Hungarians call themselves) he would not be telling everyone he was Slovak, the same would go for a Slovak! When we think of Hungary and Austria prior to 1920ish, we need to keep in mind that that Empire which was officially called The Habsburg Empire inc. all or parts of the modern countries of Austria, Hungary, Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Czech Rep., Slovak Rep., Roumania, Serbia, Italy, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia and Montengro! And... that Empire had 12 official languages. Too often we think of Hungary having only Magyars living there, Austrians only Austrians (fyi there is no ethnic group called Austrians, most citizens of Austria are ethinically German), Slovak with only Slovaks.... and that simply is not the case... The US was not the first multi-ethnic country in the world! Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Museum Cleveland Ohio Cynthia Mac Suibhne <barkupthetree@yahoo.com> wrote: Angela, On the subject of name variations, when someone immigrates they either speak no English, little English, broken English or English with an accent sometimes heavy. Keep a pen and paper handy and try to soundspell a name as many ways as you can. My Czech name Koptis was pronounced Cupdish by my grandmother because the 's' made an sh sound but it's been recorded Coptis. My grandfather was from Holland and was a sailor you should see how many ways Duiker can be spelled on ships list including Dniker because whoever rerecorded it couldn't read the first handwriting and made the 'u' an 'n'. Just try to think that you've just knocked on the door of recent immigrants, you need to get some information perhaps someone in the family has just died. Perhaps there's confusion, children crying, lots of people speaking in their native tongue. It's up to you to record name, address, place of birth ect. you get the picture....place of birth might be another thing that's really butchered. Just be patient and keep an open mind on the spellings. Take care, Cindy JANDA143@aol.com wrote: Sorry, I forgot one more question. A lot of the information that was sent to me from you guys had variations in the surname. I tried to follow your footsteps since you were so good to provide the sources of your information. I got lost! For instance, khorne found a lot of information. 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Is anyone familiar with a place called Beechwood Village, Ohio? My aunt was born there in 1916, but I can't find what county it's in. It seems logical that it is in or near Cuyahoga County because she was later married in Shaker Heights. I've heard that Beechwood Village may have been annexed to another city or the name was somehow changed. I'd really appreciate any help with this. It's a real puzzle to me. Kathleen

Hi, Kathleen! Beachwood is still here--right next to Shaker Hts.==both in Cuyahoga County--even have the same zip code--44122. Who are you looking for in Beachwood or Shaker Hts.? Maybe I can help. I live in Shaker Hts. Pegy

It may possibly be Beachwood now. Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: <kcmomma@comcast.net> To: <OHCUYAHO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Beechwood Village, Ohio Is anyone familiar with a place called Beechwood Village, Ohio? My aunt was born there in 1916, but I can't find what county it's in. It seems logical that it is in or near Cuyahoga County because she was later married in Shaker Heights. I've heard that Beechwood Village may have been annexed to another city or the name was somehow changed. I'd really appreciate any help with this. It's a real puzzle to me. Kathleen ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Reminder: Please do not send GEDCOM's or large files to the list. These must be sent to the user who requested them. Please contact the County Coordinator, Katie McClellan-Ross at (kathryn.ross2@verizon.net) with questions or concerns. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:44:32 -0700 (PDT), Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com> wrote: >Prior to 1906 the only info would be country of origin My g-grandfather's petition... http://kowallek.myiglou.com/dennis/genealogy/images/nat-kowallek-julius.jpg ... from 1891 mentioned the town. This may be the exception, but it is worth a shot. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

Angela, On the subject of name variations, when someone immigrates they either speak no English, little English, broken English or English with an accent sometimes heavy. Keep a pen and paper handy and try to soundspell a name as many ways as you can. My Czech name Koptis was pronounced Cupdish by my grandmother because the 's' made an sh sound but it's been recorded Coptis. My grandfather was from Holland and was a sailor you should see how many ways Duiker can be spelled on ships list including Dniker because whoever rerecorded it couldn't read the first handwriting and made the 'u' an 'n'. Just try to think that you've just knocked on the door of recent immigrants, you need to get some information perhaps someone in the family has just died. Perhaps there's confusion, children crying, lots of people speaking in their native tongue. It's up to you to record name, address, place of birth ect. you get the picture....place of birth might be another thing that's really butchered. Just be patient and keep an open mind on the spellings. Take care, Cindy JANDA143@aol.com wrote: Sorry, I forgot one more question. A lot of the information that was sent to me from you guys had variations in the surname. I tried to follow your footsteps since you were so good to provide the sources of your information. I got lost! For instance, khorne found a lot of information. In the 1900 census he found John HEGDISH, 1910 census found John HIGEDUS, at the Ohiohistory site he found John HEGEOUS. How were these found? From experience are you able to guess at the various spellings or is there a great lesson to be learned by me? This list truly amazes me! Angela Grand Rapids, Mi. ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== If you have Cuyahoga County data to share or own any books that you could offer lookups in, please the County Coordinator via email at (katemcclellan@vintagerecollections.com). ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:21:47 EDT, JANDA143@aol.com wrote: >How were these found? Each source has its own method. The census records were probably found using the soundex search. The OHS site search uses a "begins" strategy, as does the Cuyahoga Co. Marriage Index. It all comes with experience. If in doubt, ask on this list. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:16:24 EDT, JANDA143@aol.com wrote: >Would the next step be to order the naturalization records? Would his >petition be at the same location and what kind of information is on both of those >records? I would order the naturalization records from the Cuyahoga Co. Archives (very inexpensive) and his DC from the Ohio Historical Society ($7.00 I believe). The naturalization records will more likely provide the village he came from, but you may strike out on both. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

Sorry, I forgot one more question. A lot of the information that was sent to me from you guys had variations in the surname. I tried to follow your footsteps since you were so good to provide the sources of your information. I got lost! For instance, khorne found a lot of information. In the 1900 census he found John HEGDISH, 1910 census found John HIGEDUS, at the Ohiohistory site he found John HEGEOUS. How were these found? From experience are you able to guess at the various spellings or is there a great lesson to be learned by me? This list truly amazes me! Angela Grand Rapids, Mi.

Dear List, I am so thankful for all of the good information that was sent to me on my John HEGEDISH. This is the new information that I have gotten from your leads: *B. 30-6-1869 in Hungary/Austria *M. abt. 1896 *d. 8-3-1922, Cleveland *Immigrated in 1886 (too soon for the Ellis Island records! :( ) *Wife immigrated in 1896 *In 1900 they had one child living, b. 1898. Don't know if the other was before or after her. *Naturalized on 21-9-1896 Since the immigration date is too soon for the Ellis Island records, I cannot search to see if he immigrated with other family members or not. He was 17 years of age when he came to the USA. Would the next step be to order the naturalization records? Would his petition be at the same location and what kind of information is on both of those records? I really want to know where in Hungary/Austria (or Slovakia, as they claim) he came from and if he came alone. Searching for any HEGEDUS in Hungary would be a nightmare without knowing the proximity. Thanks! Angela Grand Rapids, Mi.

Thanks Dennis! Goes to show that we should not use "always and never"! And also shows how "unstanardized" the forms were. Hopefully the info will be there for he "HEGEDISH" researcher. Robert Jerin Dennis Kowallek <kowallek@iglou.com> wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:44:32 -0700 (PDT), Robert Jerin wrote: >Prior to 1906 the only info would be country of origin My g-grandfather's petition... http://kowallek.myiglou.com/dennis/genealogy/images/nat-kowallek-julius.jpg ... from 1891 mentioned the town. This may be the exception, but it is worth a shot. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ****************** ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Virus warnings RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are not allowed. A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb mailing list. A recent virus, and several imitations of it, may result in your receiving an e-mail (or a greeting card) with a virus attached, that appears to come from RootsWeb or from an address you are familiar with. Some virus will send a message to all the unread messages in the infected person's mailbox folders; another will use addresses found in the infected person's address book. They send messages using a forged address (for instance, using RootsWeb or the infected person in the return address). The subject line may be from a message that was recently received, making it even more credible. While it may appear to come from RootsWeb, that is only an illusion of the virus -- our address and the subject line is a forgery. What can you do? Protect yourself by never opening an attachment from someone you do not know, or that look suspicious. If an unexpected attachment comes from someone you do know, write to confirm that the attachment was sent by them prior to opening it. If you have an e-mail from RootsWeb, and there is an attachment of any kind, don't open it. Use a virus protection program. Know what viruses are out there so you will recognize one when if you get it. There are sites that will help you, including those shown below. http://housecall.antivirus.com/pc_housecall/ http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ http://www.stanford.edu/group/partners/hoaxes.shtml http://kumite.com/myths/ http://www.mcafee.com/centers/anti-virus/default2.asp http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/newapt.htm Remember, if you do not open the attachment, you can not get infected with the virus. Delete it. Then empty the trash bin to make sure it is gone. If you are using an e-mail program that stores attachments elsewhere on your computer, such as Eudora, find it there and delete it too. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Dennis, Prior to 1906 the only info would be country of origin... and in this case would state either Austria or Hungary. In Sept 1906 a "standardized" form was used in all states (or at least that is what the law stated) prior that they varied. Every Declaration and Petition I have found in Cuyahoga Co. prior to 1906 had scant info. But... if it were me I would order them just to have them. But likely they will not lead to any additional information. Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Museum Cleveland Ohio Dennis Kowallek <kowallek@iglou.com> wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:16:24 EDT, JANDA143@aol.com wrote: >Would the next step be to order the naturalization records? Would his >petition be at the same location and what kind of information is on both of those >records? I would order the naturalization records from the Cuyahoga Co. Archives (very inexpensive) and his DC from the Ohio Historical Society ($7.00 I believe). The naturalization records will more likely provide the village he came from, but you may strike out on both. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ****************** ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Please visit the Cuyahoga County GenWeb Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Angela, You may contact the Cuyahoga County archives for "John's" Naturalization papers (Declaration and Petition) however.... they will have minimal information and most likely will only indicate Austria or Hungary as his place of origin. It was not until 1906 that those papers were stanadardized to include the village where he originated. You may want to go to your local library and see if they have an Ancestry.com subscription. If they do you can possibly find his immigration records, although prior to about 1900 ship manifest did not have many details. Also be aware the name HEGEDIS does appear in Ellis Island records, where the S has the sound of SH ! Some perhaps you should not assume the name was the more common HEGEDUS. HEGEDISH would be a Americanized phonetic sp of HEGEDIS. And since your John claimed to be Slovak, one may expect that your search would take you to Slovakia.... however it is also known that Slovaks lived in Croatia, in several villages and... that some HEGEDIS from Croatia came to America! Also HEGEDIS are found in what is now the Vojvodina region of N. Serbia. That region until after WW I 1918, was the Banat and Backa region of Hungary... and there were settlements of Slovaks there. Siliva HEGEDIS is a tennis player from that region today. There is a Janos (John) US Citizen arr 1909 age 39 (about the right age for your John) going home to Oil City PA So perhaps you may want to search in another direction. Perhaps more local records, such as the marriage application, or church records where they attended church in Cleveland would help. Do you know the church they attended here? What was their address in Cleveland? Slovaks tended to live in Lakewood's "Birdtown" neighborhood, the St Clair Ave area (where Croatians and Slovenes settled) and also some in the Buckeye neighborhood where Magyars settled. Robert Jerin JANDA143@aol.com wrote: Dear List, I am so thankful for all of the good information that was sent to me on my John HEGEDISH. This is the new information that I have gotten from your leads: *B. 30-6-1869 in Hungary/Austria *M. abt. 1896 *d. 8-3-1922, Cleveland *Immigrated in 1886 (too soon for the Ellis Island records! :( ) *Wife immigrated in 1896 *In 1900 they had one child living, b. 1898. Don't know if the other was before or after her. *Naturalized on 21-9-1896 Since the immigration date is too soon for the Ellis Island records, I cannot search to see if he immigrated with other family members or not. He was 17 years of age when he came to the USA. Would the next step be to order the naturalization records? Would his petition be at the same location and what kind of information is on both of those records? I really want to know where in Hungary/Austria (or Slovakia, as they claim) he came from and if he came alone. Searching for any HEGEDUS in Hungary would be a nightmare without knowing the proximity. Thanks! Angela Grand Rapids, Mi. ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Register your surnames and queries at (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm) ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Lorraine, and all those who have been so helpful on this list I just joined last week, Thanks for the email address. I'm finally getting a chance to look into some of the mysteries surrouding Moses Jewett. Doris -- Lorraine Newsome <cuyweb@sunmtn.net> wrote: Cindy, The email addy is: archive@cuyahogacounty.us It's the most current address available. Lorraine Newsome Cuyahoga County Genealogy and History: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyah2/ At 09:13 PM 4/4/2005, SMACSUIB@columbus.rr.com wrote: >Hello Everyone, >Can someone on the list send the CCArchives email address to the list. I >told Doris to email them (I know the email comes with a request sheet) and >inquire if Moses JEWETT had a will but I can't find the email address, the >one on the Cuyahoga County rootsweb list is old and hasn't worked in a >long time. >Thanks, >Cindy ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== Please visit the Cuyahoga County GenWeb website at (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm) ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

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Okay I understand, I guess I'm thinking in one dimension. We bought a house 16 years ago, deed was tranfered into our name, we just sold our house, deed was transfered into present owners name. My parents, grandparents same situation. When my grandfather died the house went to my grandmother, when she died the house was sold because no one could afford taxes and bills on it. But I guess there are situations where more then one property exists and falls through the cracks with someone in the family paying the taxes, either renting the house or living in the house and the deed just never getting changed over..I still think it's weird that instead of "widow of Moses Jewett before me personally" it says "Moses Jewett and wife Adeline before me personally". I have lots of deeds from early Irish family that settled Euclid/South Euclid. Now I'm wondering how many "weren't standing before them personally" Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: Brigid O'Donnell <mbod@erols.com> Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2005 2:49 pm Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] JEWETT, Moses, Oct 3, 1788 Hollis NH - 1850 ? Cleveland ? > Cindy, > We have a situation in our family where the children inherited > the > property, but the deed was never changed for several reasons. The > utility companies care more about who has the account, and not in > whose > name the property is held. In this case, the tenants have the > utility > accounts in their names, and pay the bills accordingly. Property > taxes > don't have to be mailed to the address in question- in our case > the > bill goes to one the owners. (Think of apartment complexes or > commercial property sites, where the owner does not reside or have > his > business office on site, but gets the bills elsewhere) This is > done > all the time for people who own property but don't reside there- > even > those who own second homes receive their bills elsewhere most > likely. > All they really want to be sure of is that someone pays regularly > and > on time! > I must admit I am now looking at it quite differently when I > realize > how much of a sabotage it is for future genealogists! :) > > Brigid > On Apr 5, 2005, at 2:24 PM, SMACSUIB@columbus.rr.com wrote: > > > Question on this who is paying the property taxes all those > years in > > between? Or water bills or electric bill..not in 1870 but there > would > > still be yearly taxes right?? You just can't have property in > your > > name in Cleveland or burbs and not be responsible for taxes. > > Cindy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dennis Kowallek <kowallek@iglou.com> > > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:13 am > > Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] JEWETT, Moses, Oct 3, 1788 Hollis NH - > 1850 ? > > Cleveland ? > > > >> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 23:05:27 GMT, "doriswaggoner@juno.com" > >> <doriswaggoner@juno.com> wrote: > >> > >>> But what about an 1870 sale? That's 20 years later. > >> > >> My ggfather died in 1896. His property didn't get transferred out > >> of his name > >> until 1943. My ggmother died in 1941. My guess is that when the > >> kids were > >> settling her affairs, they discovered that the house was still in > >> his name! > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Dennis M. 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Cindy, We have a situation in our family where the children inherited the property, but the deed was never changed for several reasons. The utility companies care more about who has the account, and not in whose name the property is held. In this case, the tenants have the utility accounts in their names, and pay the bills accordingly. Property taxes don't have to be mailed to the address in question- in our case the bill goes to one the owners. (Think of apartment complexes or commercial property sites, where the owner does not reside or have his business office on site, but gets the bills elsewhere) This is done all the time for people who own property but don't reside there-even those who own second homes receive their bills elsewhere most likely. All they really want to be sure of is that someone pays regularly and on time! I must admit I am now looking at it quite differently when I realize how much of a sabotage it is for future genealogists! :) Brigid On Apr 5, 2005, at 2:24 PM, SMACSUIB@columbus.rr.com wrote: > Question on this who is paying the property taxes all those years in > between? Or water bills or electric bill..not in 1870 but there would > still be yearly taxes right?? You just can't have property in your > name in Cleveland or burbs and not be responsible for taxes. > Cindy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dennis Kowallek <kowallek@iglou.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:13 am > Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] JEWETT, Moses, Oct 3, 1788 Hollis NH - 1850 ? > Cleveland ? > >> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 23:05:27 GMT, "doriswaggoner@juno.com" >> <doriswaggoner@juno.com> wrote: >> >>> But what about an 1870 sale? That's 20 years later. >> >> My ggfather died in 1896. His property didn't get transferred out >> of his name >> until 1943. My ggmother died in 1941. My guess is that when the >> kids were >> settling her affairs, they discovered that the house was still in >> his name! >> >> -- >> >> Dennis M. Kowallek >> kowallek@iglou.com >> >> ****************** >> >> >> ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== >> Please visit the Cuyahoga County GenWeb Website at >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn >> more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > Please remember to change your subject lines to correspond with your > message and capitalize all surnames. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:24:32 -0400, SMACSUIB@columbus.rr.com wrote: >Question on this who is paying the property taxes all those years in between? Or water bills or electric bill Probably the wife or one of the children. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

Hello, I just don't understand why the 1870 deed would read that "appearing before me personally Moses Jewett and wife Adeline Jewett" July 7 1870 if Moses Jewett was deceased. The deed is transfered with witnesses signing and seals placed. Is this deed just a big lie?? I'm confused. Cindy

Question on this who is paying the property taxes all those years in between? Or water bills or electric bill..not in 1870 but there would still be yearly taxes right?? You just can't have property in your name in Cleveland or burbs and not be responsible for taxes. Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Kowallek <kowallek@iglou.com> Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:13 am Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] JEWETT, Moses, Oct 3, 1788 Hollis NH - 1850 ? Cleveland ? > On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 23:05:27 GMT, "doriswaggoner@juno.com" > <doriswaggoner@juno.com> wrote: > > >But what about an 1870 sale? That's 20 years later. > > My ggfather died in 1896. His property didn't get transferred out > of his name > until 1943. My ggmother died in 1941. My guess is that when the > kids were > settling her affairs, they discovered that the house was still in > his name! > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > kowallek@iglou.com > > ****************** > > > ==== OHCUYAHO Mailing List ==== > Please visit the Cuyahoga County GenWeb Website at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/cuyaoh.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn > more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >