The license I have for them is dated 30 April 1840, Volume 4, Page 50, married by Milo Gleason, Justice of Peace. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Live out-of-state and need help in Cuyahoga County? I don't have actual access to them, but can tell you that both licenses appear in Volume 4 of the records, which indicated that both licenses were obtained in the approximately eleven-year period between October, 1838 and September, 1849. Peggy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't have actual access to them, but can tell you that both licenses appear in Volume 4 of the records, which indicated that both licenses were obtained in the approximately eleven-year period between October, 1838 and September, 1849. Peggy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

>did find TWO marriage licenses for her and John Johnson, >which seems to indicate that they divorced and remarried. How far apart the marriage licenses were in time would matter a lot as to how you interpret all this. If the two licenses were years apart, then there may indeed have been divorce and remarriage. However, if the licenses were taken out within a year or so of each other, it just may be that something prevented the first marriage from taking place, and they had to take out a new license. I suspect that, then as now, the license had some sort of time limit between the taking out of the license and the actual marriage. If this was delayed [death in the family? other major life change?], they probably had to take out a new license.

Thank you for your comments regarding the two marriage licenses. The only event I know in that time frame is the death of her grandfather, November 1839 in Vermont, there could have been other reasons. ----- Original Message ----- From: leoandlinda<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Live out-of-state and need help in Cuyahoga County? >did find TWO marriage licenses for her and John Johnson, >which seems to indicate that they divorced and remarried. How far apart the marriage licenses were in time would matter a lot as to how you interpret all this. If the two licenses were years apart, then there may indeed have been divorce and remarriage. However, if the licenses were taken out within a year or so of each other, it just may be that something prevented the first marriage from taking place, and they had to take out a new license. I suspect that, then as now, the license had some sort of time limit between the taking out of the license and the actual marriage. If this was delayed [death in the family? other major life change?], they probably had to take out a new license. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~officer/CuyOhMarIndx.html site for marriage license volumes [email protected] wrote: Peggy (or anyone), Do you have the years that correspond to the Volume #'s for the Cuyahoga County Marriage License Records? Thanks, Gina -------------- Original message -------------- From: [email protected] > I don't have actual access to them, but can tell you that both licenses > appear in Volume 4 of the records, which indicated that both licenses were > obtained in the approximately eleven-year period between October, 1838 and > September, 1849. > > > Peggy > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.

Unfortunately, what I already gave you was all I found. Sometimes there are not sufficient obits or other death records for that early time period. Peggy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Do you have access to the two marriage licenses? I would like to have a copy or the dates of each. Thanks so much for your efforts. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Live out-of-state and need help in Cuyahoga County? Unfortunately, what I already gave you was all I found. Sometimes there are not sufficient obits or other death records for that early time period. Peggy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, this is the correct family, I do not know why there would have been two marriage licenses for Avalina/Evalina and John Johnson. Evalina was a Dean, daughter of Nathaniel Page and Priscilla (Sturtevant) Dean. Would like to find an obituary and place of burial for her and more information about the two marriage licenses. I have all the information on her descendants. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Live out-of-state and need help in Cuyahoga County? So far, I have not found much on Avalina/Evalina, but did find TWO marriage licenses for her and John Johnson, which seems to indicate that they divorced and remarried. I don't know what you already have, and don't want to be redundant, but I found the family in the 1860 Census for Orange Village, in Cuyahoga County. It is as follows: J. Johnson age 51 farmer Loretta Johnson age 18 Harriet Johnson age 16 Jane Johnson age 15 Samuel Johnson age 1o John Johnson age 9 Bradford Johnson age 8 Infant Johnson age 6 months This seems almost certainly to be the correct family, and would have been shortly after the mother's death. Was she previously married to someone with the last name of Dean? I then tried to trace the children's marriages, but there were just too many with the name Johnson to be sure. I will keep trying. I hope this info helps. If you have more info that might assist, please provide it. Peggy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I spoke too soon. I found one of the Johnson children, Bredford Lemuel Johnson, born March 30, 1852 in Chagrin Falls, Cuyahoga County, Ohio (which is right next to Orange Village), died September 6, 1933 in Osborn, MO. Married Lucy J. Parton (or Partin), and he was the son of John R. Johnson (born April 2, 1809) and Evelina Belmont Dean. He and Lucy had 4 children: Lena May (died March 7, 1887); Margaret Sotts of Kidder, MO; Shelby Bradford Johnson and Ezra Johnson, both of Osborn, MO. He also had grandchildren. He moved with his family to Illinois at age 14, and as an adult, moved to Missouri. Peggy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

So far, I have not found much on Avalina/Evalina, but did find TWO marriage licenses for her and John Johnson, which seems to indicate that they divorced and remarried. I don't know what you already have, and don't want to be redundant, but I found the family in the 1860 Census for Orange Village, in Cuyahoga County. It is as follows: J. Johnson age 51 farmer Loretta Johnson age 18 Harriet Johnson age 16 Jane Johnson age 15 Samuel Johnson age 1o John Johnson age 9 Bradford Johnson age 8 Infant Johnson age 6 months This seems almost certainly to be the correct family, and would have been shortly after the mother's death. Was she previously married to someone with the last name of Dean? I then tried to trace the children's marriages, but there were just too many with the name Johnson to be sure. I will keep trying. I hope this info helps. If you have more info that might assist, please provide it. Peggy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:21:50 -0500, "jim" <[email protected]> wrote: >Where can someone get these schedules? NARA, FHL, ancestry.com. -- Dennis Kowallek Cincinnati, Ohio [email protected] ******************

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:12:37 -0500, "Bette McIntosh" <[email protected]> wrote: >I see that Ancestry.com has the >mortality schedule for only one Ohio census year, 1850 while West Virginia >is included for 1860, 1870 & 1880. I just searched for SMITH in Ohio and got records for 1850, 1860, and 1880. Only 1870 seems to be missing. I don't know if 1850, 1860, and 1880 have all Ohio counties though. The FHL in Salt Lake City probably has all the NARA microfilms, so that would be your best source. -- Dennis Kowallek Cincinnati, Ohio [email protected] ******************

Where can someone get these schedules? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia C Turk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Mortality Schedules > "What are mortality schedules?" > > When the federal population census was taken, there were also > non-population schedules. Different ones are available in different > years. Some are extant on microfilm, while others have been lost. The > census taker would ask questions like, "did anyone die in the past year > in this household?" If the answer was yes, he had to fill out another > long form. This was true also for farmers, industrial product producers, > and folks who were deaf, blind, dumb, mentally delayed or impaired, > epileptic, ill, in jail, or on the public dole. In 1890 there was the > veteran schedule. These give a wonderful snapshot of the person's life > and work, and are well worth the effort to find. > In this area the mortality schedules go back to 1850. They offer > about the same information as the later death records did. Unfortunately > it only covers one year prior to the census date once per decade. So in > 1850, for instance, it covered about June 1849 through May 1850. > Cynthia in Lake County > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, since this was a federal census, I would assume all the states had similar schedules done. I know our area has 1860 mortality schedules, so apparently Ancestry does not have them all indexed. We actually have some 1820 schedules as well, but I have not yet seen them. I know there is one for products of industry. Additionally, I have just learned there is products of industry now available for 1935, but, again I have not seen it. Cynthia in Lake County

Cynthia, Thank you for the information. Is my thinking correct in assuming that when the federal non-population schedules (e.g. the mortality schedules) were *taken*, they were taken in all states, if they were taken at all? Therefore, if Ancestry.com does not include a particular state in it's mortality database information that it is because the schedule for that particular state was lost to the archives? I see that Ancestry.com has the mortality schedule for only one Ohio census year, 1850 while West Virginia is included for 1860, 1870 & 1880. Bette > "What are mortality schedules?" > > When the federal population census was taken, there were also > non-population schedules. Different ones are available in different > years. Some are extant on microfilm, while others have been lost. The > census taker would ask questions like, "did anyone die in the past year > in this household?" If the answer was yes, he had to fill out another > long form. This was true also for farmers, industrial product producers, > and folks who were deaf, blind, dumb, mentally delayed or impaired, > epileptic, ill, in jail, or on the public dole. In 1890 there was the > veteran schedule. These give a wonderful snapshot of the person's life > and work, and are well worth the effort to find. > In this area the mortality schedules go back to 1850. They offer > about the same information as the later death records did. Unfortunately > it only covers one year prior to the census date once per decade. So in > 1850, for instance, it covered about June 1849 through May 1850. > Cynthia in Lake County

"What are mortality schedules?" When the federal population census was taken, there were also non-population schedules. Different ones are available in different years. Some are extant on microfilm, while others have been lost. The census taker would ask questions like, "did anyone die in the past year in this household?" If the answer was yes, he had to fill out another long form. This was true also for farmers, industrial product producers, and folks who were deaf, blind, dumb, mentally delayed or impaired, epileptic, ill, in jail, or on the public dole. In 1890 there was the veteran schedule. These give a wonderful snapshot of the person's life and work, and are well worth the effort to find. In this area the mortality schedules go back to 1850. They offer about the same information as the later death records did. Unfortunately it only covers one year prior to the census date once per decade. So in 1850, for instance, it covered about June 1849 through May 1850. Cynthia in Lake County

Regular photcopies of marriage records can be obtained for 10 cents each from Cuyahoga County Probate Court, Marriage Certificates, 1 Lakeside Avenue, Room 146 Cleveland Ohio 44113. Certified copies are more. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "jim" <[email protected]> > Where do i get a link to get free marriage records? Thank you Jim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:48:59 -0500, "Bette McIntosh" <[email protected]> wrote: >what exactly is the "mortality schedule" of the 1860 >Federal Census They are part of the ancestry.com census collection. I am sure the FHL also has them on film also. http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=8756 -- Dennis Kowallek Cincinnati, Ohio [email protected] ******************

Hello, If I may ask what exactly is the "mortality schedule" of the 1860 Federal Census Cuyahoga County, Ohio and how is it accessed? Thank you, Bette > My gr gr grandmother, Avalina/Evalina Bellmont Dean Johnson, died two > days after childbirth in Cuyahoga County OH 23 Dec 1859. She is on the > mortality schedule of the 1860 Federal Census Cuyahoga Co Ohio. > > Marilyn

My gr gr grandmother, Avalina/Evalina Bellmont Dean Johnson, died two days after childbirth in Cuyahoga County OH 23 Dec 1859. She is on the mortality schedule of the 1860 Federal Census Cuyahoga Co Ohio. I have a copy of her marriage to John Johnson in Orange Township Cuyahoga Ohio 30 April 1840. They had ten children all born at the above location. Is it possible to find her burial site, an obit or any other information? Thank you for your help. Marilyn