Good Morning Hermon; I have no idea where the name Sanford Allen came from. All i know is what i put on the Ohio List, and the Census has my Grandfather as one of his children. Have found the Sanford in many places, in Colorado (my home) census one of the children is Sanford. In Kentucky where the GELVIN is spelled GILVIN there are Sanfords in those families. Allen appears again, also in Kentucky and in Crawford Co., PA. The GILVINs are related to the GELVINs in Ripley County, Indiana and we know the James there is a brother to Jeremiah in Clermont Co., Census: Clermont Co., Washington twp. then Neville 1812 James Gelvin as owner of land 1820 James (elderly) and Jeremiah 1830 Jeremiah 1840 Jeremiah 1860 Jeremiah age 72 and his family and Sanford A. age 27 and his family, including my Grandfather 1812 - James Gelvin - History states "owned land" 1826 - Jeremiah Gelvin - widower m. Temperance Legate (Legate name in Kentucky) 1832 - Harriett Gelvin - m. James Ward 1834 - Julia Ann Gelvin - m. John Wigglesworth 1836 - Mary Gelvin - m. William Blair 1842 - Sanford Allen Gelvin - m. Lydia Primmer 1846 - Timothy Gelvin - d.b. Dec. 15, 1825 1849 - Rachel Gelvin- m. Lewis Manning (Rachel 17) 1850 - Mary Ann Gelvin- m. Richard C. Massey 1851 - Sanford Lawrence Gelvin - b. son of Sanford A. and Lydia Gelvin The following children have no parents. :-)All GELVIN Harriet Julia Ann Mary Rachel Sanford Allen They were "hatched" under a rock.. I have the same type of record (Clermont co., courthouse) down to 1906, but only what i have included here are the "missing children" or from the "missing parents". My G. Aunt Dora Bolander m. Carr Wigglesworth, not that, that helps any. My grandmother was Callie Francis Bolander m. George Albert GELVIN son of Sanford Allen Gelvin Grandfather and his brother William went to Missouri (not together) It is enough to drive any one crazy. But then maybe you have to be crazy to do this in the first place. I have check across the river, with no results. My father use to tell about ice skating on the river. Also the IOOF Cemetery in Neville was bulldozed in the 60s and they pushed all the stones into the inlet (whatever) on the side away from the river. Some of them are in one piece, some not. Bertha Minnick and i dug in the brambles to find the Gelvin Stone, push others on to the bank, by the tree. The Gelvins have only small foot stones that some kind soul put there and scratched the initials in. It is said they had a tall stone with Sanford, Lydia and Janette on it. The man who bought my G. Aunt's home in Neville took all the pictures, clippings, etc. out and burned them. I will not even attempt to state my feelings. I have included the "LIST" on here in case this should help someone. Any suggestion appreciated. June HERMON B FAGLEY wrote: > > For one thing,Neville was many,many miles from the Batavia courthouse,and > > Batavia newspapers. New Richmond and Felicity newspapers were nearer. > Also, Neville was 1\2 mile of Bracken Co,Ky and 3-5 from Pendleton Co,Ky > Think of the river as a highway,and the steamboats offered easy travel > to > Cincinnati , Maysville,kY,Augusta,Ky and Portsmouth,Oh, and the RR was > built > across the river. That Ky RR brought Neville's US Mail after the > steamboats. > Some commuted to Cincinnati by boat from New Richmond,daily. > Once again,who was the namesake,Stanford Allen? > > On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:40:49 -0700 "B. June Babcock" > <gelvin@tabletoptelephone.com> writes: > > I have a hard time trying to understand how one family can live in > > Clermont County from 1812 to nearly 1900 and no one knows of or > > finds > > anything (worth talking about) about them, including me. For fifty > > years > > i have hunted for SANFORD ALLEN GELVIN b. 1821 d. July 13, 1897 m. > > Lydia > > PRIMMER dau. of William and Elizabeth STATTON-PRIMMER. His son > > Sanford > > Lawrence GELVIN lived in Neville and m. Cornelia Martin HARCOURT and > > their children lived in Neville. > > > > I have found, the land records, Sanford's death certificate. > > Jeremiah > > GELVIN's Will and land transactions and that is about it. > > > > Sanford Allen was on the School Board in Neville and was also Mayor > > in > > Neville. Why can i find nothing about these???? > > > > Completely frustrated. June > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.