1st,let me say that if I write the most to OHCLERMO-L and OHBROWN-L@roosweb.com, I make the most errors on them also, for I write from an aging memory often. I got into an on-line debate with a lady some time back about the motives of, or how active was,her Loyalist anscestor. And, right,or wrong, her answers to me that were supposed to be "the final" answer was data,not just in books, but in books "in the Va State library. She was quoting a defender of her anscestor. She may,or may not,have been correct. Moving to our day,and to the Calif State Library, and to some book there in quoting Johnny Cochrane defending O.J. Was,or was not,Johnny's every word accurate? But it's on the official record,from a place most people are sworn to tell the truth. Many of our pioneers came here lastly from sw Pa,and it's sw most county -Greene Co- has a set of local histories published by their Historical or Genealogial Soc,and written by Mr HORN. If "HORN PAPERS,Vols1 and 2 are cited in your referances,you have cited clever fiction. The atlas of original land owners in VOL 3 is as accurate as any atlas where lands was almost always in dispute . It shows the winners only in land suits. Our own atlases are similar. The losers of those land suits ,if they didn't buy their farms a 2nd time,went to Indiana. Remember TOM LINCOLN,OF KY. Tom lost 800 acres in KY land suits,so you read of the young Abe Lincoln,not middle class, but wintering in a 3 sided Indiana cabin. We had,in Clermont, a couple earning their livings writing of Clermont's pioneers, and their history. Small newspaper and book[s]. I'm sure our Clermont library has his book[s], for he was actice in th local historical societies. I don't know that he ever claimed them as fact,but some have mis-read them as fact. Let's be kind,and say that under the presure of a deadline,he sometimes had to invent a paragraph,or two,or I guess the township sections of Evert's 1880 history are my single favorites, but one must think of the various writers of those chapters writing down his interviews of some old people,or the men around the stove in the general store. Some is,and some isn't fact. And "GRANDMA TOLD ME". Whatevr grandma told me was "FACT,FACT,FACT!" I loved my grandma,and she wouldn't lie to me. "FACT,FACT,FACT"!. O.K.,World War II was going on when I was a kid, and we FAGLEY'S were SWISS,SWISS,SWISS,regardless of our church records in Stuttgart and Ludwigsburg,s Germany. And great great grandmother had been born a Princess,not the dau of a book seller. Her daughters said much later,as old wome, at Fagley Reunions,"we never heard of the Princess business when Mother was alive! SWISS and Royal Dane is pawing me,and I had further ideas along this line.