that would be the one off of rt 222 and ELKLICK RD

In the 1940's and earlier there was an east fork sportsmen fishing camp on the river bank. My father was a member of this organization and I well remember outings and camping there. Recollections include someone catching a gar and a snapping turtle too large for a bucket. One time we had to hurriedly break camp and leave because of a flash flood. Herman Kleine

Consider that the name used may apply to the individual instead of the actual given name because that person chose a completely different name. My wife's aunt was named Elsie, didn't like it and chose Peg. Probably the only time Elsie ever showed up was on a legal document. On the other hand my mother, named Helen didn't like that and chose Betty, from her middle name Elizabeth. Betty showed up on legal documents in her case. Also middle names often become lost so the person you are researching could have been using a form of a middle name. Herman Kleine ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave ross" <dcross4548@comcast.net> To: <OHCLERMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [OHCLER] "Sarah" for "Margaret" ?? > Thanks, Chryl: Not what I wanted to hear, but important input on my > "sticky-wicket" problem in the 1600s. > > Dave Ross > > MyAncestry231@aol.com wrote: >> I have never heard Sarah used as a nickname for Mary or Mary used as a >> nickname for Margaret and I have been doing research for over 20 years. >> I would say that if your family member is using Sarah instead of Mary, >> then that is not a nick name but one or the other is the first name >> and/or middle name. The following are what I know to be nicknames: >> Margaret (sometimes Americanized from Margaretta, Margaretha or >> Margarita) - Daisy,Greta,Madge,Maggie, Maisie, >> Marge,Margo,Meg,Megan,Metta,Midge, >> Peggie >> Mary - (sometimes Americanized from Maria) - Mae,Mamie,Maria(h),Marie, >> Marietta, Marion,Maureen, May, Mercy, Minnie,Mitzi, Mollie (y), Polly >> Sarah - Cera, Sadie,Sal,Sallie,Sara(i),Sukie, Surry >> Chyrl Lawrence-Bulger >> My Family Tree & All Its Branches >> _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sodacat231/index.htm_ >> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sodacat231/index.htm) >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Here is a link to a very interesting Boothby web site. It includes the estate papers for Josiah Boothby (c1774-c1830), appraisal, estate sale, and listing of items allotted to his widow and four children. His widow was Deliverance Boothby - maiden name Hanna, widow of a Hamilton. In 1835, after Josiah's death, Deliverance became the second wife of John Derry (Brown Co. marriage license D-138). _http://www.sersale.org/boothby.html_ (http://www.sersale.org/boothby.html) -Judy

I watch for peoples from the 3 [more?] colonies from very southern Maine, then still Mass].Baptist Rev Maurice Witham was the earliest [1798] leader,and settled his colony at Withamsville, w Clermont near I-275 and Ohio Rt 125. Mt Moriah cemetary marks the location of Witham's Big Spring-headspring of 9 Mile,or Muddy,creek. Witham also bought 800 acres east on Ohio Rt 125 at Yankeetown,where he settled the 1800 colony. The War of 1812 time period,when the British Navy harrased our shipping and ports,sent the 3rd colony,who settled at Lindale-Amelia,betweeen the earlier two. I've been reading ,from searching Google for "Josiah Boothby" his 1834 estate sale, with additions. He must have died near Manchester,Adams Co, Ohio for Andrew Allison and -Ralston 1st signed the estate settlement. And he left a flat boat,and many barrells of salt. His widow [2nd was a Hannah of New Hope,Oh-1st widow was from Yankeetown-c Rounds]. Anyway,once again,a man trained to the sea as a youth,turned to the Ohio River for work in Ohio. I suppose,1 834,that the salt came from near Charleston,WV. YANKEETOWN,Oh WAS 2-3 miles up Clover [lick] creekj from Caleb Meeker,Thomas Phillips, Rev Moses Warden,John Iden,James Chatterton, Jasper Coalthar.etc

I've been studying the neighborhood Isaac Penny lived in. This latest study was prompted by a letter re Meekers,Phillips,.Irelands,Hays,but my Dad grew up on Clover Creek,1898-2000, and his ancestors,Anna Titus Stone, Hermon Stone,Jr,Charles Fagley,John and Mary Medary Iden owned farms just down Clover from the Meekers and Phillips. Back in 1955,I watched one of the Penny's play baseball for the Locust Ridge men's baseball team. Also,my Bethel-Tate High classmates talked of parking in Penny's Woods. Penny's woods had been logged in dry weather,anbd the logging roads were not rutted. Mrs Margaret Meranda Burbage was a friend of mine,and provided me with some group sheets,and journal abstracts from the Locust Ridge-Spring Grove-Neal's Corner neighborhood. Margaret used to volunteer 1-3 afternoons a week in the Brown Co Gen Soc library,Ye Ol Stone Jail,Courthouse Square,Georgetown,Ohio .

I think I lost the purpose of this list of people. Issac Penny is one of my ancesters. Why is he mentioned? Is it just that he lived in that area? Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <FagleyTeam@aol.com> To: <OHCLERMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 5:25 AM Subject: [OHCLER] Phillips,Ireland,Meeker,Cook,Joslin,Warden,Shotwell,Lambert,Iden,Light,Hays > I'm studying very n e Tate [1805] and s e Williamsburg > [1800]townships,Clermont where > they join sw Pike[1830's. and nw Clark[1805] townships,Brown Co,[1818] > Ohio > [1803]. > Lady has Thomas Phillips d 1848 and Rebecca Ireland ,whose farm was sold > to > Christian Zugg. Starling Rd at the water tower-county line. Across the > road > was Calvin> > Timothy Meeker. Rev Moses Warden d 1849was across Clover Creek on the west > . > Jousha Lambert,and then Jasper and Clarissa Line Shotwell ,who lived where > the Locust > Ridge Nursing Homne is. To the northwest,was Sam Nelson wed to Sam Nutt's > girl,until 1834,and then my John and Mary Medary Iden.West of the > Idens,the Peter > and Barbara > Hays Light farm became my Hermon Stone,Jr''s abt 1850. Asher > Curless,Nicholas > Wallace, > Joseph Pride,Thomas E Allen,James and Hannah Iden Chatteron, John FraZEE m > Shipman, > Jasper Coalthar's parents,Adam Earhart,Jonathan Church,Isaac Penny,Moses > Edward m > Desire Meeker, John and Mary "the witch" Evans, Perry Ogden, Charles and > Jonathan Hunt, > Henry Moyer, John Denham, Jabez and Mariah Meeker [Perrine] Mattox, Rev Wm > Brooks, > Anthony Brown,of Swanson, Moses Rumery, > Thomas Phillips d July 5,1848 , [of Asiatic Cholera?] anbd was buried in > the > new > New Harmony Protestant Methodist cemetary his son,John,helped found in > 1846,in nw > Pike twnsp,Brown Co just east of Hennings Mills,aka Coontown,se > Williamsburg > twnsp, > Clermont.He was hauled by a cemetary of fieldstones on the Coalthar > farm,and > one > [Baptist churchyard?] on the Jasper Shotwellk,Sr [d abt 1818] farm.And the > Sam Nelson- > John Iden farm had a cemetary -adjoined Phillips. > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Federal East Fork Lake ,built about 1972,was renamed Lake Harsha about 1980. Ohio's state park around it remains East Fork State Park. [East Fork of the Little Miami River,which winds through Clermont West to East. Milford to Marathon. ] It's dams,on Slade Rd,off Ohio Rd 222, are on ,mostly, the old Slade farm. Slade's stagecoach ,later called Rapp's,was at Ullrey's Run, [Ohio Rt 222 South, and Ohio Rt,125,aka Ohio Pike, aka Beechmont Ave. Elk Lick [mills] was a hamlet,bridge,school,mills flooded by the main pool of Lake Harsha. Twin Bridges,crossing the mouth of Clover[lick ] Creek into the East Fork, was flooded by the middle pool..The original Jersey Settlement of 1803 houses ran between Elk Lick and Twin Bridges,on the Tate twnsp side. Goggle-Eye [bridge] over Clover[lick] and Macedonia bridge over Poplar Creek,and Tunnel Mills bridge over the East Fork were torn down ,1972,and their mill sites flooded. Anti-Bantam,Concord, Shangaii Ridge, are hamlets partially destroyed by East Fork State Park. Concord Methodist and Old Bethel Methodist churches and churchyards survive. [6 acres tended,or more] Anti-Bantam-Clover Rd was recently renamed Clover Rd,because the park and lake swallowed the western half. Green Brier cemetary survives,tended,on the western side. Many county roads,named about 1950,when Clermont erected road signs,became extinct under the lake or park. One was at the north end of the saddle dam-sp? [W]Retzler Rd. Elk Lake Rd cut throiugh where the saddle dam is. Another road from Afton's Ford Plant to Elk Liick,and on to Bantam. Much of Williamsburg-Bantam Rd was flooded at Twin Bridges,where the road forked,to Concord,and to Elk Lick. Baudendistal Rd,Jones, Gregor Rds, and Benning Rds disappeared.

Dave, Although the nicknames you mentioned may be used, the most common nickname for Sarah is Sally. Sarah isn't usually a nickname. Sometimes people change names or use a middle name. Joan Williams, Miami, FL. dave ross wrote: > I know that Sarah is an acceptable "nickname" for a Mary, and Mary is > sometimes a nickname for "Margaret." So is "Peg" or Meg." Anyone > aware of instances where a "Margaret" was referred to as "Sarah???" > If so, this could prove an important link in one of my lines. Thanks > to whomever and all who respond, the quicker the better :-) . > > Dave Ross, Aurora, CO > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Thanks, John: Not what I wanted to hear, but my experience tells me you're right. I was hoping for someone to say YES, they had heard of that. Dave Ross Gary Williams wrote: > > Dave, > > Although the nicknames you mentioned may be used, the most common > nickname for Sarah is Sally. Sarah isn't usually a nickname. > Sometimes people change names or use a middle name. > > Joan Williams, > Miami, FL. > > > > dave ross wrote: > >> I know that Sarah is an acceptable "nickname" for a Mary, and Mary is >> sometimes a nickname for "Margaret." So is "Peg" or Meg." Anyone >> aware of instances where a "Margaret" was referred to as "Sarah???" >> If so, this could prove an important link in one of my lines. Thanks >> to whomever and all who respond, the quicker the better :-) . >> >> Dave Ross, Aurora, CO >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

I have never heard Sarah used as a nickname for Mary or Mary used as a nickname for Margaret and I have been doing research for over 20 years. I would say that if your family member is using Sarah instead of Mary, then that is not a nick name but one or the other is the first name and/or middle name. The following are what I know to be nicknames: Margaret (sometimes Americanized from Margaretta, Margaretha or Margarita) - Daisy,Greta,Madge,Maggie, Maisie, Marge,Margo,Meg,Megan,Metta,Midge, Peggie Mary - (sometimes Americanized from Maria) - Mae,Mamie,Maria(h),Marie, Marietta, Marion,Maureen, May, Mercy, Minnie,Mitzi, Mollie (y), Polly Sarah - Cera, Sadie,Sal,Sallie,Sara(i),Sukie, Surry Chyrl Lawrence-Bulger My Family Tree & All Its Branches _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sodacat231/index.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sodacat231/index.htm)

Me either! I was wondering what we should call my sister whose name is Sara Margaret! -- > I've never heard of Sarah used for Margaret or Mary.. Sally. Sal > Meg and Peg, and Marg, and Margie > Mary, Molly, Polly.

Thanks, Chryl: Not what I wanted to hear, but important input on my "sticky-wicket" problem in the 1600s. Dave Ross MyAncestry231@aol.com wrote: > I have never heard Sarah used as a nickname for Mary or Mary used as a > nickname for Margaret and I have been doing research for over 20 years. I would > say that if your family member is using Sarah instead of Mary, then that is > not a nick name but one or the other is the first name and/or middle name. > > The following are what I know to be nicknames: > > Margaret (sometimes Americanized from Margaretta, Margaretha or Margarita) > - Daisy,Greta,Madge,Maggie, Maisie, Marge,Margo,Meg,Megan,Metta,Midge, > Peggie > > Mary - (sometimes Americanized from Maria) - Mae,Mamie,Maria(h),Marie, > Marietta, Marion,Maureen, May, Mercy, Minnie,Mitzi, Mollie (y), Polly > > Sarah - Cera, Sadie,Sal,Sallie,Sara(i),Sukie, Surry > > Chyrl Lawrence-Bulger > My Family Tree & All Its Branches > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sodacat231/index.htm_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sodacat231/index.htm) > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

I'm studying very n e Tate [1805] and s e Williamsburg [1800]townships,Clermont where they join sw Pike[1830's. and nw Clark[1805] townships,Brown Co,[1818] Ohio [1803]. Lady has Thomas Phillips d 1848 and Rebecca Ireland ,whose farm was sold to Christian Zugg. Starling Rd at the water tower-county line. Across the road was Calvin> Timothy Meeker. Rev Moses Warden d 1849was across Clover Creek on the west . Jousha Lambert,and then Jasper and Clarissa Line Shotwell ,who lived where the Locust Ridge Nursing Homne is. To the northwest,was Sam Nelson wed to Sam Nutt's girl,until 1834,and then my John and Mary Medary Iden.West of the Idens,the Peter and Barbara Hays Light farm became my Hermon Stone,Jr''s abt 1850. Asher Curless,Nicholas Wallace, Joseph Pride,Thomas E Allen,James and Hannah Iden Chatteron, John FraZEE m Shipman, Jasper Coalthar's parents,Adam Earhart,Jonathan Church,Isaac Penny,Moses Edward m Desire Meeker, John and Mary "the witch" Evans, Perry Ogden, Charles and Jonathan Hunt, Henry Moyer, John Denham, Jabez and Mariah Meeker [Perrine] Mattox, Rev Wm Brooks, Anthony Brown,of Swanson, Moses Rumery, Thomas Phillips d July 5,1848 , [of Asiatic Cholera?] anbd was buried in the new New Harmony Protestant Methodist cemetary his son,John,helped found in 1846,in nw Pike twnsp,Brown Co just east of Hennings Mills,aka Coontown,se Williamsburg twnsp, Clermont.He was hauled by a cemetary of fieldstones on the Coalthar farm,and one [Baptist churchyard?] on the Jasper Shotwellk,Sr [d abt 1818] farm.And the Sam Nelson- John Iden farm had a cemetary -adjoined Phillips.

I've never heard ofSarah used for Margaret or Mary.. Sally. Sal Meg and Peg,and Marg,and Margie Mary,Molly,Polly.

My real estate agent sold the Byron Ross farm south of Felicity for his son. Maybe 15 years ago. 1967 must be about Rick Houser's class. Pitzer Rd,Bethel, 45106.

Dave, Is this a David Ross who lived in Felicity Ohio? Graduated from HS in 1967? Regards, Jerry Adams Laergo, Florida

Sorry, Jerry: I'm from Troy, Ohio, graduated in '52. Dave Ross JAdams0793@aol.com wrote: > Dave, > > Is this a David Ross who lived in Felicity Ohio? Graduated from HS in > 1967? > > Regards, > Jerry Adams > Laergo, Florida > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

I know that Sarah is an acceptable "nickname" for a Mary, and Mary is sometimes a nickname for "Margaret." So is "Peg" or Meg." Anyone aware of instances where a "Margaret" was referred to as "Sarah???" If so, this could prove an important link in one of my lines. Thanks to whomever and all who respond, the quicker the better :-) . Dave Ross, Aurora, CO

Jacob Jones I was born in Wales and died 1785 in Greene Co., PA his wife was named Rebecca. Jacob Jones II was born in Wales ca 1740, his wife Sarah was also born in Wales. They were married in Montgomery Co., Pa in 1763 and both died in Clermont Co. OH ca 1815. They had 10 children. Herman Kleine ----- Original Message ----- From: <FagleyTeam@aol.com> To: <OHCLERMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [OHCLER] Thomas WEST > Jacob Jones lived perhaps 6 miles south of a Thomas West,who licved sw > Bethel > at Ohio Rt 222 and Poplar Creek. Jacob Ulrey,who lived 4-5 miles west of > Bethel > at Ohio Rt 222 s and Ohio Rt 125,had West step-children [?] Again,ma ybe 7 > miles > from Jacob Jones. All might have roots in Chester Co,Pa but lived > elsewhere > before Ohio. > All above in-adjoining Tate township,CLERMONT. > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >