Thank you for answering. I'm grasping at straws, and what I can tell you will be of little help. My ancestor, (John) Peter Hammer/s, a blacksmith in the Revolutionary War married ca. 1779 to a widow, Elizabeth White Bonser, in York Co. PA. They had 8 children. We have been unable to locate a son, John. We know the dates and places where the family lived from Peter's pension record ~ moved from York Co. PA.> Frederick Co. MD> Fayette Co. PA>Alleghaney Co. (now Armstrong Co) PA where Elizabeth died in 1798>Fayette Co. PA>Monongalia Co VA (now Marion Co. WV). We don't know when or where John was born but a guesstimate possibly MD ca. 1785/8. Peter & Elizabeth built the first Baptist church in what is now Armstrong Co. PA. An old family journal written by a grandson lists the names of the children and where they went except "John went south and hasn't been heard of since." I am descended from (John) Peter Hammers 2nd wife. Their son, Augustus Hamer was my gr. grandfather. Their son, Augustus Hamer, and family moved to Butler Co. OH where my grandmother was born in Middletown in 1849. This is one reason we speculate that his half-brother. John, or his children lived there. Four of Peter's children and his two stepchildren moved from PA to Clermont Co. OH, James & Agnes Woodmansee, Mary who married William Curruthers, Joseph & Elizabeth Hanna and Phebe, and Nathaniel Bonser and Hannah Bonser White. Phebe Hammer married in Clermont Co. to Thomas Stephens. There is a lady in Texas who claims to be descended from this same Phebe and a first husband, Oaky McCabe, whom she married in Butler Co. OH and had a child (her ancestor) who was raised by the paternal grandparents, then Phebe married Thomas Stephens/Stevens. We think she is incorrect. The McCabe & Stevens marriages occurred in the same year and only a few months apart. Also, our Phebe married Thomas Stevens under the name of Phebe Hammer, not McCabe. I speculate that perhaps the brother John lived there who had a daughter, Phebe, who married the McCabe. Some of the Woodmansees moved from PA to NC and then to Jackson Co. IN where the four children of Peter Hammer moved to from Clermont Co. I hope you can follow this. As I said, I'm clutching at straws trying to locate our John, and I just have nothing solid to go on except he may have been a member of a Baptist Church like his parents. I thought perhaps John also went to NC with some of the Woodmansees, then to Butler Co. OH. I really don't anticipate any results from this, but I have to take a shot of it. Thanks again for responding. Juanita Lewis