The only other possible way to confirm the burial place is death certificates..if they can be found and if they list the place of burial. Many of the old death certificates do not list burial place. I believe that if any graves remained in the old cemetery by the river they were brought to the Middletown Cementery and buried due to the flooding. Vivian On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:54:45 -0400 "Caroline Huppi" <[email protected]> writes: > I find it naive that anyone believes there are burial records for > these old > cemeteries (pre 1880's). I'm sure it is possible where there has > been 200 > year continuity but I have found the following; > Middletown Pioneer Cemetery didn't begin to keep records until > the late > 1800's. Information was retrofitted based on tombstones to fill in > data > before 1880's. -No tombstone- No information. Even today only > burial date > is logged. Yes you can get other information elsewhere "easily" > today. > The Middletown Cemetery that was by the river and now is > considered > washed away - I have found no list or retrofitted list of who > might have > even been buried there. > Liberty Township Springhill cemetery- also did not begin to keep > records > until the late 1800's. The records kept basically kept track of > plot > ownership. I called one of the church members for the Bethany > Methodist > Church about possible records and she could not recall there being > any. It > is possible that the records exists but it would be quite some time > to find. > Baker farm cemetery Liberty Township - no records > Woodmansee Sugar Valley family cemetery - no records variety of > surveys > over the years > Clawson Cemetery, Liberty Township - no records that I've found > and when > I took pictures of the tombstones I found people the Stoup list > didn't even > have. I expected to find fewer on the list not additional people. > Amanda Cemetery, Lemon township- people call this a Potters > field. That > is not the case. Granted it is being used as a Potters field now > but look > at the old tombstones- there is history in this cemetery. The > Township > supposedly has records but like everywhere I'm sure they do not > exist for > the early days.I have found an 1801 tombstone that gives some > validity to it > being the burial ground for the Prairie Baptist church that is > "missing" in > inaction. > > For these reasons alone new surveys need to be done for all Butler > County > Old Cemeteries and a more updated/ corrected list(s) created. Hazel > Stroup > et al did a great job. However not verifying the data is a gross > oversight > by the Butler County Historical community. Where is it documented > how Hazel > Stroup et al inventoried the cemeteries that were done? This > mailing list > is the first I have seen that "Boy Scouts" did the field labor. > > The Surveys people have done over the years, and put in the > libraries are a > great treasure that are taken for granted and not valued as possibly > the > only comprehensive burial list for such cemeteries. I am thankful > for every > Stroup list put on rootsweb. It's just one less place for me to > make a > typographical error when I'm trying to recheck information or take > a > picture. I don't claim to be a Butler County expert/ historian or > even > genealogist. The old and even historic cemeteries will be paved > over before > anyone verifies and documents who was even buried there. > > People are too busy, or why didn't the historical society? or > government > take care of this? But you won't know what you have til it's gone. > Every > time I mention that I'm working on putting the Middletown Cemetery > information in a database and online the other person says- Why > aren't you > doing Greenwood Cemetery? Well why aren't "They" working on > Greenwood > Cemetery? If everyone did a little bit other knew what is being > done > perhaps another comprehensive Butler County Cemetery survey can be > done- for > at least the old sections and old cemeteries. > > Perhaps there is hope but I'll put my blinders on and hope someone > else > takes care of their own back yard. > > What does your back yard look like? > > Caroline Huppi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > The Madison Township trustees take care of Elk Cemetery on SR122. > They > would know. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:31:46 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of > people > buried > > in Elk Creek Cemetery. > > > > There is some information available at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also > want to > > check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have > been > referred > > to as Elk Creek. > > > > -- > > > > Dennis M. Kowallek > > [email protected] > > > > ****************** > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler > > >