By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried in Elk Creek Cemetery. My great great Grandfather Henry Lewis Hursh obit says that he is buried there but when I was in the cemetery I didn't find him. I found his wife's parents the Sndyers, and his daughter's family the Hinkles. But I couldn't find any Hursh's. I checked the one by Hursh Road. I have no idea which one it was. I would great if someone had the answers. Sabrina Deb Morrison <[email protected]> wrote: Astoria was actually the berg that this cemetery is in also known as Jacktown but it is listed as Pleasant Hill Cemetery on Elk Creek Road. There is an Elk Creek Cemetery in Trenton Ohio and The Elk Creek Cemetery on State Route 122 in Madison Township Deb Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > I think there are two Elk Creek Cemeteries. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Kowallek > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:18:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > > > On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:33:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote: > > > I typed "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" into the USGS-GNIS and got these variant > names... > > > > > >Variant Name(s)Gilbert-Richards Cemetery > >Mill Road Cemetery > >Venice Cemetery > > That's interesting. But when I type in Astoria Cemetery it says Elk Creek is a > variant. When I type in Elk Creek Cemetery it does not list Astoria as a > variant and gives different lat/lon coordinates which appear to be about a > mile apart. Makes you wonder how much the USGS-GNIS data can be trusted??? > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > [email protected] or [email protected] > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County American History & Genealogy Project > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER Dreams have only one owner at a time. That's why dreamers are lonely. -Erma Bombeck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Sabrina, Do you by any chance remember which Hinkles were there? Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: Sabrina To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried in Elk Creek Cemetery. My great great Grandfather Henry Lewis Hursh obit says that he is buried there but when I was in the cemetery I didn't find him. I found his wife's parents the Sndyers, and his daughter's family the Hinkles. But I couldn't find any Hursh's. I checked the one by Hursh Road. I have no idea which one it was. I would great if someone had the answers. Sabrina Deb Morrison <[email protected]> wrote: Astoria was actually the berg that this cemetery is in also known as Jacktown but it is listed as Pleasant Hill Cemetery on Elk Creek Road. There is an Elk Creek Cemetery in Trenton Ohio and The Elk Creek Cemetery on State Route 122 in Madison Township Deb Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > I think there are two Elk Creek Cemeteries. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Kowallek > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:18:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > > > On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:33:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote: > > > I typed "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" into the USGS-GNIS and got these variant > names... > > > > > >Variant Name(s)Gilbert-Richards Cemetery > >Mill Road Cemetery > >Venice Cemetery > > That's interesting. But when I type in Astoria Cemetery it says Elk Creek is a > variant. When I type in Elk Creek Cemetery it does not list Astoria as a > variant and gives different lat/lon coordinates which appear to be about a > mile apart. Makes you wonder how much the USGS-GNIS data can be trusted??? > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > [email protected] or [email protected] > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County American History & Genealogy Project > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER Dreams have only one owner at a time. That's why dreamers are lonely. -Erma Bombeck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina <[email protected]> wrote: >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried in Elk Creek Cemetery. There is some information available at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also want to check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have been referred to as Elk Creek. -- Dennis M. Kowallek [email protected] ******************

The Madison Township trustees take care of Elk Cemetery on SR122. They would know. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:31:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina <[email protected]> wrote: >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried in Elk Creek Cemetery. There is some information available at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also want to check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have been referred to as Elk Creek. -- Dennis M. Kowallek [email protected] ****************** ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for Butler County family names ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2

I find it naive that anyone believes there are burial records for these old cemeteries (pre 1880's). I'm sure it is possible where there has been 200 year continuity but I have found the following; Middletown Pioneer Cemetery didn't begin to keep records until the late 1800's. Information was retrofitted based on tombstones to fill in data before 1880's. -No tombstone- No information. Even today only burial date is logged. Yes you can get other information elsewhere "easily" today. The Middletown Cemetery that was by the river and now is considered washed away - I have found no list or retrofitted list of who might have even been buried there. Liberty Township Springhill cemetery- also did not begin to keep records until the late 1800's. The records kept basically kept track of plot ownership. I called one of the church members for the Bethany Methodist Church about possible records and she could not recall there being any. It is possible that the records exists but it would be quite some time to find. Baker farm cemetery Liberty Township - no records Woodmansee Sugar Valley family cemetery - no records variety of surveys over the years Clawson Cemetery, Liberty Township - no records that I've found and when I took pictures of the tombstones I found people the Stoup list didn't even have. I expected to find fewer on the list not additional people. Amanda Cemetery, Lemon township- people call this a Potters field. That is not the case. Granted it is being used as a Potters field now but look at the old tombstones- there is history in this cemetery. The Township supposedly has records but like everywhere I'm sure they do not exist for the early days.I have found an 1801 tombstone that gives some validity to it being the burial ground for the Prairie Baptist church that is "missing" in inaction. For these reasons alone new surveys need to be done for all Butler County Old Cemeteries and a more updated/ corrected list(s) created. Hazel Stroup et al did a great job. However not verifying the data is a gross oversight by the Butler County Historical community. Where is it documented how Hazel Stroup et al inventoried the cemeteries that were done? This mailing list is the first I have seen that "Boy Scouts" did the field labor. The Surveys people have done over the years, and put in the libraries are a great treasure that are taken for granted and not valued as possibly the only comprehensive burial list for such cemeteries. I am thankful for every Stroup list put on rootsweb. It's just one less place for me to make a typographical error when I'm trying to recheck information or take a picture. I don't claim to be a Butler County expert/ historian or even genealogist. The old and even historic cemeteries will be paved over before anyone verifies and documents who was even buried there. People are too busy, or why didn't the historical society? or government take care of this? But you won't know what you have til it's gone. Every time I mention that I'm working on putting the Middletown Cemetery information in a database and online the other person says- Why aren't you doing Greenwood Cemetery? Well why aren't "They" working on Greenwood Cemetery? If everyone did a little bit other knew what is being done perhaps another comprehensive Butler County Cemetery survey can be done- for at least the old sections and old cemeteries. Perhaps there is hope but I'll put my blinders on and hope someone else takes care of their own back yard. What does your back yard look like? Caroline Huppi ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > The Madison Township trustees take care of Elk Cemetery on SR122. They would know. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:31:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried > in Elk Creek Cemetery. > > There is some information available at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also want to > check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have been referred > to as Elk Creek. > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for Butler County family names ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for Butler County family names ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 >

one of these days I will get Elk Creek Madison Township online under the Butler County Genealogy Society Website in my spare time Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Huppi" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > I find it naive that anyone believes there are burial records for these old > cemeteries (pre 1880's). I'm sure it is possible where there has been 200 > year continuity but I have found the following; > Middletown Pioneer Cemetery didn't begin to keep records until the late > 1800's. Information was retrofitted based on tombstones to fill in data > before 1880's. -No tombstone- No information. Even today only burial date > is logged. Yes you can get other information elsewhere "easily" today. > The Middletown Cemetery that was by the river and now is considered > washed away - I have found no list or retrofitted list of who might have > even been buried there. > Liberty Township Springhill cemetery- also did not begin to keep records > until the late 1800's. The records kept basically kept track of plot > ownership. I called one of the church members for the Bethany Methodist > Church about possible records and she could not recall there being any. It > is possible that the records exists but it would be quite some time to find. > Baker farm cemetery Liberty Township - no records > Woodmansee Sugar Valley family cemetery - no records variety of surveys > over the years > Clawson Cemetery, Liberty Township - no records that I've found and when > I took pictures of the tombstones I found people the Stoup list didn't even > have. I expected to find fewer on the list not additional people. > Amanda Cemetery, Lemon township- people call this a Potters field. That > is not the case. Granted it is being used as a Potters field now but look > at the old tombstones- there is history in this cemetery. The Township > supposedly has records but like everywhere I'm sure they do not exist for > the early days.I have found an 1801 tombstone that gives some validity to it > being the burial ground for the Prairie Baptist church that is "missing" in > inaction. > > For these reasons alone new surveys need to be done for all Butler County > Old Cemeteries and a more updated/ corrected list(s) created. Hazel Stroup > et al did a great job. However not verifying the data is a gross oversight > by the Butler County Historical community. Where is it documented how Hazel > Stroup et al inventoried the cemeteries that were done? This mailing list > is the first I have seen that "Boy Scouts" did the field labor. > > The Surveys people have done over the years, and put in the libraries are a > great treasure that are taken for granted and not valued as possibly the > only comprehensive burial list for such cemeteries. I am thankful for every > Stroup list put on rootsweb. It's just one less place for me to make a > typographical error when I'm trying to recheck information or take a > picture. I don't claim to be a Butler County expert/ historian or even > genealogist. The old and even historic cemeteries will be paved over before > anyone verifies and documents who was even buried there. > > People are too busy, or why didn't the historical society? or government > take care of this? But you won't know what you have til it's gone. Every > time I mention that I'm working on putting the Middletown Cemetery > information in a database and online the other person says- Why aren't you > doing Greenwood Cemetery? Well why aren't "They" working on Greenwood > Cemetery? If everyone did a little bit other knew what is being done > perhaps another comprehensive Butler County Cemetery survey can be done- for > at least the old sections and old cemeteries. > > Perhaps there is hope but I'll put my blinders on and hope someone else > takes care of their own back yard. > > What does your back yard look like? > > Caroline Huppi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > The Madison Township trustees take care of Elk Cemetery on SR122. They > would know. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:31:46 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people > buried > > in Elk Creek Cemetery. > > > > There is some information available at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also want to > > check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have been > referred > > to as Elk Creek. > > > > -- > > > > Dennis M. Kowallek > > [email protected] > > > > ****************** > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler >

Butler County Genealogy Society had published a book with the Burial of Elk Creek Cemetery on Route 122 Madison Township it is available from the society I walked this cemetery about 10 years ago and mapped out the bottom portion from 122 to the top driveway of the cemetery. The township did not have any records of this until i transcribed the headstones Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kowallek" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried in Elk Creek Cemetery. > > There is some information available at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also want to > check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have been referred > to as Elk Creek. > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for Butler County family names ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 >