Where is the list from the old riverside Middletown cemetery? According to some history I found in the Middletown Library about the old burial ground- "In 1873 but two stones remained, that of George Russell, who died May 25-1814, and Moses Vail, son of Steven Vail, who died at the age of sixty-two years." It's likely graves were moved but without tombstones going with the bodies Middletown doesn't have the records. I just read there were sexton records but I have not run across those yet. Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian KK Moon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > The only other possible way to confirm the burial place is death > certificates..if they can be found and if they list the place of burial. > Many of the old death certificates do not list burial place. > I believe that if any graves remained in the old cemetery by the river > they were brought to the Middletown Cementery and buried due to the > flooding. > Vivian > > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:54:45 -0400 "Caroline Huppi" <[email protected]> > writes: > > I find it naive that anyone believes there are burial records for > > these old > > cemeteries (pre 1880's). I'm sure it is possible where there has > > been 200 > > year continuity but I have found the following; > > Middletown Pioneer Cemetery didn't begin to keep records until > > the late > > 1800's. Information was retrofitted based on tombstones to fill in > > data > > before 1880's. -No tombstone- No information. Even today only > > burial date > > is logged. Yes you can get other information elsewhere "easily" > > today. > > The Middletown Cemetery that was by the river and now is > > considered > > washed away - I have found no list or retrofitted list of who > > might have > > even been buried there. > > Liberty Township Springhill cemetery- also did not begin to keep > > records > > until the late 1800's. The records kept basically kept track of > > plot > > ownership. I called one of the church members for the Bethany > > Methodist > > Church about possible records and she could not recall there being > > any. It > > is possible that the records exists but it would be quite some time > > to find. > > Baker farm cemetery Liberty Township - no records > > Woodmansee Sugar Valley family cemetery - no records variety of > > surveys > > over the years > > Clawson Cemetery, Liberty Township - no records that I've found > > and when > > I took pictures of the tombstones I found people the Stoup list > > didn't even > > have. I expected to find fewer on the list not additional people. > > Amanda Cemetery, Lemon township- people call this a Potters > > field. That > > is not the case. Granted it is being used as a Potters field now > > but look > > at the old tombstones- there is history in this cemetery. The > > Township > > supposedly has records but like everywhere I'm sure they do not > > exist for > > the early days.I have found an 1801 tombstone that gives some > > validity to it > > being the burial ground for the Prairie Baptist church that is > > "missing" in > > inaction. > > > > For these reasons alone new surveys need to be done for all Butler > > County > > Old Cemeteries and a more updated/ corrected list(s) created. Hazel > > Stroup > > et al did a great job. However not verifying the data is a gross > > oversight > > by the Butler County Historical community. Where is it documented > > how Hazel > > Stroup et al inventoried the cemeteries that were done? This > > mailing list > > is the first I have seen that "Boy Scouts" did the field labor. > > > > The Surveys people have done over the years, and put in the > > libraries are a > > great treasure that are taken for granted and not valued as possibly > > the > > only comprehensive burial list for such cemeteries. I am thankful > > for every > > Stroup list put on rootsweb. It's just one less place for me to > > make a > > typographical error when I'm trying to recheck information or take > > a > > picture. I don't claim to be a Butler County expert/ historian or > > even > > genealogist. The old and even historic cemeteries will be paved > > over before > > anyone verifies and documents who was even buried there. > > > > People are too busy, or why didn't the historical society? or > > government > > take care of this? But you won't know what you have til it's gone. > > Every > > time I mention that I'm working on putting the Middletown Cemetery > > information in a database and online the other person says- Why > > aren't you > > doing Greenwood Cemetery? Well why aren't "They" working on > > Greenwood > > Cemetery? If everyone did a little bit other knew what is being > > done > > perhaps another comprehensive Butler County Cemetery survey can be > > done- for > > at least the old sections and old cemeteries. > > > > Perhaps there is hope but I'll put my blinders on and hope someone > > else > > takes care of their own back yard. > > > > What does your back yard look like? > > > > Caroline Huppi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > > > > The Madison Township trustees take care of Elk Cemetery on SR122. > > They > > would know. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:31:46 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina > > <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of > > people > > buried > > > in Elk Creek Cemetery. > > > > > > There is some information available at > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also > > want to > > > check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have > > been > > referred > > > to as Elk Creek. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Dennis M. Kowallek > > > [email protected] > > > > > > ****************** > > > > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler > > > > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER >