Shirley, Most if not all of the burials will be speculative. For example Noah & Joel Doty are written about having died in 1806 & 1807. No one talks about where they were buried. The odds are good that they were buried in the Riverside Cemetery as there is no evidence that Daniel Doty had these 2 moved or buried in the 1827 opening of the Middletown Cemetery. I plan to reference "Why" the person has been put in the cemetery. In the "Centennial" book about Butler County someone wrote- "The city should have preserved it and here erected a shaft to Steven Vail and others. In 1873 but two stones remained, that of George Russell, who died May 25, 1814, and Moses Vail, son of Steven Vail, who died at the age of sixty-two years. " These are the only "known" burials in this cemetery. I hope that clarifies the approach I am taking on reconstructing the burials for this lost cemetery. Caroline Huppi ----- Original Message ----- From: "unicorn1945" <unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohbutler@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > Carolyn - > Good idea but let me do some checking first to make sure I don't have a burial listed someplace. I doubt it but will check. > Do you list them as speculative burials? > Shirley > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Caroline Huppi > To: ohbutler@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > > > Shirley- > > I haven't heard any gossip about anyone scalped. That may predate even the > Middletown "riverside" cemetery. I have heard about a Liberty Twp woman > "scalped" and supposed tombstones - that "cemetery" has no stones and is > surrounded by homes- no evidence of any burials. It is possible that your > relative was buried where he was found. I have heard that that was done and > without a stone and before 1867 there would be no record. > > Sorry I couldn't help- consider "Putting" your relative into the > "Riverside" Cemetery. I'm willing to put speculative burials- especially if > you have a year. Worst thing that would happen- I'd be wrong. I figure > wrong is sometimes better than leaving no record and loosing relatives by > neglect. Caroline Huppi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "unicorn1945" <unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net> > To: <ohbutler@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > > > > Carolyn, > > :O) The one I'm looking for would be my ggg grandfather who was found > scalped. This was very early. Considering I'm in my sixties, that would > have been "back there". I'll see what I can find on the link you sent and I > do appreciate it. > > At the time I went to high school in Hamilton, I never had a clue my > family had been in that area. > > Shirley > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Caroline Huppi > > To: ohbutler@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > > > > > > Shirley, > > It is unlikely there are any Hinkles in the Riverside Cemtery as there > is > > only 1 Hinkle in the Middletown Cemetery listed as death in 1901 much > later > > than the "Riverside" time frame. > > > > You might want to go through all the cemeteries at > > www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem to find Hinkles. There are a handful in > Madison > > township in the Elk Creek Cemetery. Until I'm a lot smarter there will > not > > be a global search on this website. > > > > good luck- Caroline Huppi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "shirley pearson" <unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net> > > To: <ohbutler@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > > > > > I've not followed this conversation so forgive me if I'm asking about > > something already answered. Are there records for this cemetery? I'm > > looking for the old burials of any Hinkles - any spelling. > > > Shirley > > > Indiana > > > > > > Richard Martin <remartin@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > > Caroline, > > > > > > I have tried to research that same information off and on a couple of > > times > > > in the past but found no definitive documentation. I'm looking for the > > > burial location of the father of my GG Grandfather James G. Martin > born > > 1810 > > > in Butler Co, OH. I would be very interested if you locate any proof > of > > > Martin's buried in that cemetery. > > > > > > Possible first name of his father would be William if James G. Martin > > > followed the Scottish practice of naming his second son after his > father > > and > > > his first son Levi after his wife's father which he did. His first > > daughter > > > was Amelia which should have been the name of Williams' wife and > James' > > > mother. He named his second daughter Sarah which was his mother > in-laws > > name > > > so he followed the naming pattern with Levi and Sarah in those cases. > > > > > > Some associated facts: > > > > > > In earlier research (20 years ago)I thought that Jonathan L. Martin > was > > the > > > father of James G. Martin because he had a son James C. Martin and > > daughter > > > Sarah and he was also of a Scottish line and for a multitude of other > > > reasons and associated facts to numerous to go into here. I do think > the > > > families are distantly related but James father was born in Scotland > and > > his > > > mother born in Ohio where as Jonathan's had been here for several > > > generations in Va. Some more current research of associated families > in > > > Bulter Co., OH leads me to believe a William Martin was the father of > > James > > > G. Martin. > > > > > > A book titled Buckeye Presbyterianism records the minutes of an Oct 7, > > 1808 > > > meeting in which James Scott was sent off by the Lancaster Presbytery > to > > > western Ohio. This Licentiate Rev. James Scott was first at > Fredericktown. > > > He is recorded as a Canonsburg Man a town in Western PA. Many members > of > > > this western PA Presbyterian Congregation moved together following > Scott > > to > > > Butler Co. > > > > > > In the 1800 Census of the County of Washington, PA is a William Martin > and > > > John Martin next door to each other. Close neighbors are Alexander > Reed, > > > James Reed, and John Scott. > > > > > > There is a gedcom file showing a John Scott b 1728 Scotland / Ireland > d > > > 1810 Butler Co., OH with a son b 12 Feb 1771 PA d 19 May 1857 Butler > Co., > > > OH. > > > > > > 1810 Tax Records for Butler, Co., OH shows both James Scott and John > Scott > > > with property at R2,T5 Sec. 25. > > > William Martin R2, T5, Sec.23. > > > > > > In the Miami Co., OH 1835 Census James G. Martin is living seven > houses > > from > > > James Reed and eight houses from Asa Scott. This is in Casstown, Miami > > Co., > > > OH > > > > > > If you find any burial listings tied to these families it may indicate > > > members of that congregation were buried on the bluff over looking the > > > river. > > > > > > Richard Martin > > > remartin@worldnet.att.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ohbutler-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ohbutler-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > > On Behalf Of Caroline Huppi > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:05 PM > > > To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > > > > > > Does anyone have a list or even a speculation as to who was buried in > the > > > original Middletown Burial ground along a bluff of the Great Miami > River? > > > > > > I am working on reconstructing a list of burials for this cemetery to > have > > > online with the Middletown Cemeteries. There is no indication from the > > > Middletown Cemetery records that burials were moved from the > "Riverside" > > > burial grounds to the Middletown Cemetery. The Catharine Vail w/o a > > Stephen > > > Vail, in the Middletown Cemetery, did not die in 1819 as generally > > reported > > > but actually 1849- the stone is difficult to read but online > genealogies > > > reinforce this belief. I have tried to use online genealogies from > > > rootsweb.com to try to track possible burials for this cemetery. > > > > > > Also note that the "Riverside" burial ground was "destroyed" by > flooding > > > well before the historic 1913 flooding. > > > > > > Supposedly there were many Revolutionary War Veterans buried in the > > > "Riverside" burial ground as the Middletown Cemetery is the resting > place > > > for only 2 Rev. War Vets > > > > > > Any help/ speculation would be appreciated. thanks- > > > > > > Caroline Huppi > > > www.rootsweb.com/~ohmidcem > > > www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: > 3/29/2007 1:36 PM > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: 3/29/2007 1:36 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

what about the cemetery that was on Tytus Avenue at Enoch street? I was told that it was covered for a parking lot not sure of the dates but i do have the article about that cemetery somewhere in my cemetery paperwork not sure of dates on it etc Deb ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html

Sounds great. I'll get back to you. Thank you! Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: Caroline Huppi To: ohbutler@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown Shirley, Most if not all of the burials will be speculative. For example Noah & Joel Doty are written about having died in 1806 & 1807. No one talks about where they were buried. The odds are good that they were buried in the Riverside Cemetery as there is no evidence that Daniel Doty had these 2 moved or buried in the 1827 opening of the Middletown Cemetery. I plan to reference "Why" the person has been put in the cemetery. In the "Centennial" book about Butler County someone wrote- "The city should have preserved it and here erected a shaft to Steven Vail and others. In 1873 but two stones remained, that of George Russell, who died May 25, 1814, and Moses Vail, son of Steven Vail, who died at the age of sixty-two years. " These are the only "known" burials in this cemetery. I hope that clarifies the approach I am taking on reconstructing the burials for this lost cemetery. Caroline Huppi ----- Original Message ----- From: "unicorn1945" <unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohbutler@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > Carolyn - > Good idea but let me do some checking first to make sure I don't have a burial listed someplace. I doubt it but will check. > Do you list them as speculative burials? > Shirley > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Caroline Huppi > To: ohbutler@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > > > Shirley- > > I haven't heard any gossip about anyone scalped. That may predate even the > Middletown "riverside" cemetery. I have heard about a Liberty Twp woman > "scalped" and supposed tombstones - that "cemetery" has no stones and is > surrounded by homes- no evidence of any burials. It is possible that your > relative was buried where he was found. I have heard that that was done and > without a stone and before 1867 there would be no record. > > Sorry I couldn't help- consider "Putting" your relative into the > "Riverside" Cemetery. I'm willing to put speculative burials- especially if > you have a year. Worst thing that would happen- I'd be wrong. I figure > wrong is sometimes better than leaving no record and loosing relatives by > neglect. Caroline Huppi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "unicorn1945" <unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net> > To: <ohbutler@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > > > > Carolyn, > > :O) The one I'm looking for would be my ggg grandfather who was found > scalped. This was very early. Considering I'm in my sixties, that would > have been "back there". I'll see what I can find on the link you sent and I > do appreciate it. > > At the time I went to high school in Hamilton, I never had a clue my > family had been in that area. > > Shirley > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Caroline Huppi > > To: ohbutler@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > > > > > > Shirley, > > It is unlikely there are any Hinkles in the Riverside Cemtery as there > is > > only 1 Hinkle in the Middletown Cemetery listed as death in 1901 much > later > > than the "Riverside" time frame. > > > > You might want to go through all the cemeteries at > > www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem to find Hinkles. There are a handful in > Madison > > township in the Elk Creek Cemetery. Until I'm a lot smarter there will > not > > be a global search on this website. > > > > good luck- Caroline Huppi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "shirley pearson" <unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net> > > To: <ohbutler@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > > > > > I've not followed this conversation so forgive me if I'm asking about > > something already answered. Are there records for this cemetery? I'm > > looking for the old burials of any Hinkles - any spelling. > > > Shirley > > > Indiana > > > > > > Richard Martin <remartin@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > > Caroline, > > > > > > I have tried to research that same information off and on a couple of > > times > > > in the past but found no definitive documentation. I'm looking for the > > > burial location of the father of my GG Grandfather James G. Martin > born > > 1810 > > > in Butler Co, OH. I would be very interested if you locate any proof > of > > > Martin's buried in that cemetery. > > > > > > Possible first name of his father would be William if James G. Martin > > > followed the Scottish practice of naming his second son after his > father > > and > > > his first son Levi after his wife's father which he did. His first > > daughter > > > was Amelia which should have been the name of Williams' wife and > James' > > > mother. He named his second daughter Sarah which was his mother > in-laws > > name > > > so he followed the naming pattern with Levi and Sarah in those cases. > > > > > > Some associated facts: > > > > > > In earlier research (20 years ago)I thought that Jonathan L. Martin > was > > the > > > father of James G. Martin because he had a son James C. Martin and > > daughter > > > Sarah and he was also of a Scottish line and for a multitude of other > > > reasons and associated facts to numerous to go into here. I do think > the > > > families are distantly related but James father was born in Scotland > and > > his > > > mother born in Ohio where as Jonathan's had been here for several > > > generations in Va. Some more current research of associated families > in > > > Bulter Co., OH leads me to believe a William Martin was the father of > > James > > > G. Martin. > > > > > > A book titled Buckeye Presbyterianism records the minutes of an Oct 7, > > 1808 > > > meeting in which James Scott was sent off by the Lancaster Presbytery > to > > > western Ohio. This Licentiate Rev. James Scott was first at > Fredericktown. > > > He is recorded as a Canonsburg Man a town in Western PA. Many members > of > > > this western PA Presbyterian Congregation moved together following > Scott > > to > > > Butler Co. > > > > > > In the 1800 Census of the County of Washington, PA is a William Martin > and > > > John Martin next door to each other. Close neighbors are Alexander > Reed, > > > James Reed, and John Scott. > > > > > > There is a gedcom file showing a John Scott b 1728 Scotland / Ireland > d > > > 1810 Butler Co., OH with a son b 12 Feb 1771 PA d 19 May 1857 Butler > Co., > > > OH. > > > > > > 1810 Tax Records for Butler, Co., OH shows both James Scott and John > Scott > > > with property at R2,T5 Sec. 25. > > > William Martin R2, T5, Sec.23. > > > > > > In the Miami Co., OH 1835 Census James G. Martin is living seven > houses > > from > > > James Reed and eight houses from Asa Scott. This is in Casstown, Miami > > Co., > > > OH > > > > > > If you find any burial listings tied to these families it may indicate > > > members of that congregation were buried on the bluff over looking the > > > river. > > > > > > Richard Martin > > > remartin@worldnet.att.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ohbutler-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ohbutler-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > > On Behalf Of Caroline Huppi > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:05 PM > > > To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [OHBUTLER] Original Burial Ground Middletown > > > > > > Does anyone have a list or even a speculation as to who was buried in > the > > > original Middletown Burial ground along a bluff of the Great Miami > River? > > > > > > I am working on reconstructing a list of burials for this cemetery to > have > > > online with the Middletown Cemeteries. There is no indication from the > > > Middletown Cemetery records that burials were moved from the > "Riverside" > > > burial grounds to the Middletown Cemetery. The Catharine Vail w/o a > > Stephen > > > Vail, in the Middletown Cemetery, did not die in 1819 as generally > > reported > > > but actually 1849- the stone is difficult to read but online > genealogies > > > reinforce this belief. I have tried to use online genealogies from > > > rootsweb.com to try to track possible burials for this cemetery. > > > > > > Also note that the "Riverside" burial ground was "destroyed" by > flooding > > > well before the historic 1913 flooding. > > > > > > Supposedly there were many Revolutionary War Veterans buried in the > > > "Riverside" burial ground as the Middletown Cemetery is the resting > place > > > for only 2 Rev. War Vets > > > > > > Any help/ speculation would be appreciated. thanks- > > > > > > Caroline Huppi > > > www.rootsweb.com/~ohmidcem > > > www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: > 3/29/2007 1:36 PM > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: 3/29/2007 1:36 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. 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