I find it naive that anyone believes there are burial records for these old cemeteries (pre 1880's). I'm sure it is possible where there has been 200 year continuity but I have found the following; Middletown Pioneer Cemetery didn't begin to keep records until the late 1800's. Information was retrofitted based on tombstones to fill in data before 1880's. -No tombstone- No information. Even today only burial date is logged. Yes you can get other information elsewhere "easily" today. The Middletown Cemetery that was by the river and now is considered washed away - I have found no list or retrofitted list of who might have even been buried there. Liberty Township Springhill cemetery- also did not begin to keep records until the late 1800's. The records kept basically kept track of plot ownership. I called one of the church members for the Bethany Methodist Church about possible records and she could not recall there being any. It is possible that the records exists but it would be quite some time to find. Baker farm cemetery Liberty Township - no records Woodmansee Sugar Valley family cemetery - no records variety of surveys over the years Clawson Cemetery, Liberty Township - no records that I've found and when I took pictures of the tombstones I found people the Stoup list didn't even have. I expected to find fewer on the list not additional people. Amanda Cemetery, Lemon township- people call this a Potters field. That is not the case. Granted it is being used as a Potters field now but look at the old tombstones- there is history in this cemetery. The Township supposedly has records but like everywhere I'm sure they do not exist for the early days.I have found an 1801 tombstone that gives some validity to it being the burial ground for the Prairie Baptist church that is "missing" in inaction. For these reasons alone new surveys need to be done for all Butler County Old Cemeteries and a more updated/ corrected list(s) created. Hazel Stroup et al did a great job. However not verifying the data is a gross oversight by the Butler County Historical community. Where is it documented how Hazel Stroup et al inventoried the cemeteries that were done? This mailing list is the first I have seen that "Boy Scouts" did the field labor. The Surveys people have done over the years, and put in the libraries are a great treasure that are taken for granted and not valued as possibly the only comprehensive burial list for such cemeteries. I am thankful for every Stroup list put on rootsweb. It's just one less place for me to make a typographical error when I'm trying to recheck information or take a picture. I don't claim to be a Butler County expert/ historian or even genealogist. The old and even historic cemeteries will be paved over before anyone verifies and documents who was even buried there. People are too busy, or why didn't the historical society? or government take care of this? But you won't know what you have til it's gone. Every time I mention that I'm working on putting the Middletown Cemetery information in a database and online the other person says- Why aren't you doing Greenwood Cemetery? Well why aren't "They" working on Greenwood Cemetery? If everyone did a little bit other knew what is being done perhaps another comprehensive Butler County Cemetery survey can be done- for at least the old sections and old cemeteries. Perhaps there is hope but I'll put my blinders on and hope someone else takes care of their own back yard. What does your back yard look like? Caroline Huppi ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > The Madison Township trustees take care of Elk Cemetery on SR122. They would know. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:31:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried > in Elk Creek Cemetery. > > There is some information available at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also want to > check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have been referred > to as Elk Creek. > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for Butler County family names ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for Butler County family names ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 >

Butler County Genealogy Society had published a book with the Burial of Elk Creek Cemetery on Route 122 Madison Township it is available from the society I walked this cemetery about 10 years ago and mapped out the bottom portion from 122 to the top driveway of the cemetery. The township did not have any records of this until i transcribed the headstones Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kowallek" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried in Elk Creek Cemetery. > > There is some information available at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also want to > check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have been referred > to as Elk Creek. > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for Butler County family names ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 >

The Madison Township trustees take care of Elk Cemetery on SR122. They would know. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:31:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina <[email protected]> wrote: >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried in Elk Creek Cemetery. There is some information available at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also want to check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have been referred to as Elk Creek. -- Dennis M. Kowallek [email protected] ****************** ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for Butler County family names ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina <[email protected]> wrote: >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried in Elk Creek Cemetery. There is some information available at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also want to check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have been referred to as Elk Creek. -- Dennis M. Kowallek [email protected] ******************

Sabrina, Do you by any chance remember which Hinkles were there? Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: Sabrina To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried in Elk Creek Cemetery. My great great Grandfather Henry Lewis Hursh obit says that he is buried there but when I was in the cemetery I didn't find him. I found his wife's parents the Sndyers, and his daughter's family the Hinkles. But I couldn't find any Hursh's. I checked the one by Hursh Road. I have no idea which one it was. I would great if someone had the answers. Sabrina Deb Morrison <[email protected]> wrote: Astoria was actually the berg that this cemetery is in also known as Jacktown but it is listed as Pleasant Hill Cemetery on Elk Creek Road. There is an Elk Creek Cemetery in Trenton Ohio and The Elk Creek Cemetery on State Route 122 in Madison Township Deb Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > I think there are two Elk Creek Cemeteries. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Kowallek > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:18:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > > > On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:33:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote: > > > I typed "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" into the USGS-GNIS and got these variant > names... > > > > > >Variant Name(s)Gilbert-Richards Cemetery > >Mill Road Cemetery > >Venice Cemetery > > That's interesting. But when I type in Astoria Cemetery it says Elk Creek is a > variant. When I type in Elk Creek Cemetery it does not list Astoria as a > variant and gives different lat/lon coordinates which appear to be about a > mile apart. Makes you wonder how much the USGS-GNIS data can be trusted??? > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > [email protected] or [email protected] > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County American History & Genealogy Project > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER Dreams have only one owner at a time. That's why dreamers are lonely. -Erma Bombeck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler

By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people buried in Elk Creek Cemetery. My great great Grandfather Henry Lewis Hursh obit says that he is buried there but when I was in the cemetery I didn't find him. I found his wife's parents the Sndyers, and his daughter's family the Hinkles. But I couldn't find any Hursh's. I checked the one by Hursh Road. I have no idea which one it was. I would great if someone had the answers. Sabrina Deb Morrison <[email protected]> wrote: Astoria was actually the berg that this cemetery is in also known as Jacktown but it is listed as Pleasant Hill Cemetery on Elk Creek Road. There is an Elk Creek Cemetery in Trenton Ohio and The Elk Creek Cemetery on State Route 122 in Madison Township Deb Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > I think there are two Elk Creek Cemeteries. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Kowallek > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:18:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > > > On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:33:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote: > > > I typed "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" into the USGS-GNIS and got these variant > names... > > > > > >Variant Name(s)Gilbert-Richards Cemetery > >Mill Road Cemetery > >Venice Cemetery > > That's interesting. But when I type in Astoria Cemetery it says Elk Creek is a > variant. When I type in Elk Creek Cemetery it does not list Astoria as a > variant and gives different lat/lon coordinates which appear to be about a > mile apart. Makes you wonder how much the USGS-GNIS data can be trusted??? > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > [email protected] or [email protected] > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County American History & Genealogy Project > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER Dreams have only one owner at a time. That's why dreamers are lonely. -Erma Bombeck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Norma, THANK YOU. That was the problem and now it is solved. I was going nuts. Sandi -----Original Message----- From: Norma Adams [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] ancestry website Sandy, I've been on Ancestry today and haven't seen any difference. They do have a new search feature called Best Matches (ranked). You can switch back to the other switch mode by clicking on the tab that says Exact Matches. Look to the bottom of the page you get and see if there is a search box there and click on the tab. It fooled me one time too. Or if you use the Search Records feature, look at the top of the box at the different tabs. click the blue one. Norma At 04:52 PM 4/6/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Has anyone on the list been on the ancestry.com site today? > > > >They have changed around the searches and it is simply a mess to find >anything without going through page after page of names within a >category. The recap section is no longer there. > > > >I will more than likely cancel my subscription with them but wanted to >know if anyone recommends a different site for me to sign up with. > > > >Thanks, > >Sandi Deaton-Kneer > >Orlando FL > > > > > > > >==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: >[email protected] or [email protected] >Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for Butler County family names ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2

The cemetery on Elk Creek Rd. is also called Astoria. Dana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Morrison" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > Astoria was actually the berg that this cemetery is in also known as > Jacktown but it is listed as Pleasant Hill Cemetery on Elk Creek Road. > There is an Elk Creek Cemetery in Trenton Ohio and The Elk Creek Cemetery > on > State Route 122 in Madison Township > > Deb Morrison > > That's interesting. But when I type in Astoria Cemetery it says Elk > > Creek > is a >> variant. When I type in Elk Creek Cemetery it does not list Astoria as a >> variant and gives different lat/lon coordinates which appear to be about >> a >> mile apart. Makes you wonder how much the USGS-GNIS data can be >> trusted??? >> >> -- >> >> Dennis M. Kowallek >> [email protected] >> >> ****************** >> >> >> ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >> To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: >> [email protected] or [email protected] >> Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) >> >> >> ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >> Butler County American History & Genealogy Project >> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler >> > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER > >

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:52:59 -0400, "Bob Kneer" <[email protected]> wrote: >Has anyone on the list been on the ancestry.com site today? > > > >They have changed around the searches and it is simply a mess to find >anything without going through page after page of names within a >category. The recap section is no longer there. I was just on and did a search from http://www.ancestry.com/search/. I was presented with the Global Search Results page as always. I clicked on the results for the 1850 Census and everything looked normal. What is the "recap section"? -- Dennis M. Kowallek [email protected] ******************

Sandy, I've been on Ancestry today and haven't seen any difference. They do have a new search feature called Best Matches (ranked). You can switch back to the other switch mode by clicking on the tab that says Exact Matches. Look to the bottom of the page you get and see if there is a search box there and click on the tab. It fooled me one time too. Or if you use the Search Records feature, look at the top of the box at the different tabs. click the blue one. Norma At 04:52 PM 4/6/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Has anyone on the list been on the ancestry.com site today? > > > >They have changed around the searches and it is simply a mess to find >anything without going through page after page of names within a >category. The recap section is no longer there. > > > >I will more than likely cancel my subscription with them but wanted to >know if anyone recommends a different site for me to sign up with. > > > >Thanks, > >Sandi Deaton-Kneer > >Orlando FL > > > > > > > >==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: >[email protected] or [email protected] >Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do)

Has anyone on the list been on the ancestry.com site today? They have changed around the searches and it is simply a mess to find anything without going through page after page of names within a category. The recap section is no longer there. I will more than likely cancel my subscription with them but wanted to know if anyone recommends a different site for me to sign up with. Thanks, Sandi Deaton-Kneer Orlando FL

Astoria was actually the berg that this cemetery is in also known as Jacktown but it is listed as Pleasant Hill Cemetery on Elk Creek Road. There is an Elk Creek Cemetery in Trenton Ohio and The Elk Creek Cemetery on State Route 122 in Madison Township Deb Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > I think there are two Elk Creek Cemeteries. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:18:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > > > On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:33:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote: > > > I typed "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" into the USGS-GNIS and got these variant > names... > > > > > >Variant Name(s)Gilbert-Richards Cemetery > >Mill Road Cemetery > >Venice Cemetery > > That's interesting. But when I type in Astoria Cemetery it says Elk Creek is a > variant. When I type in Elk Creek Cemetery it does not list Astoria as a > variant and gives different lat/lon coordinates which appear to be about a > mile apart. Makes you wonder how much the USGS-GNIS data can be trusted??? > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > [email protected] or [email protected] > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County American History & Genealogy Project > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler >

http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form just typed it in google ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > who actually knows what this usgs-gnis is? this is the first time i have encountered it. it reminds me of another web-based repository where the source of the data is not that clear... > > I have seen the Gilbert-Richards cemetery referenced as the Venice cemetery before, but also realized there is an actual venice cemetery in Ross, Ohio. > > The Mill Road Cemetery variant was the first time I have encountered that name, as well as the "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" (where did that one come from?) > > can anyone enumerate or add any other info? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:18:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > > > On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:33:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote: > > > I typed "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" into the USGS-GNIS and got these variant > names... > > > > > >Variant Name(s)Gilbert-Richards Cemetery > >Mill Road Cemetery > >Venice Cemetery > > That's interesting. But when I type in Astoria Cemetery it says Elk Creek is a > variant. When I type in Elk Creek Cemetery it does not list Astoria as a > variant and gives different lat/lon coordinates which appear to be about a > mile apart. Makes you wonder how much the USGS-GNIS data can be trusted??? > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > [email protected] or [email protected] > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for Butler County family names ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > >

who actually knows what this usgs-gnis is? this is the first time i have encountered it. it reminds me of another web-based repository where the source of the data is not that clear... I have seen the Gilbert-Richards cemetery referenced as the Venice cemetery before, but also realized there is an actual venice cemetery in Ross, Ohio. The Mill Road Cemetery variant was the first time I have encountered that name, as well as the "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" (where did that one come from?) can anyone enumerate or add any other info? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:18:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:33:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote: > I typed "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" into the USGS-GNIS and got these variant names... > > >Variant Name(s)Gilbert-Richards Cemetery >Mill Road Cemetery >Venice Cemetery That's interesting. But when I type in Astoria Cemetery it says Elk Creek is a variant. When I type in Elk Creek Cemetery it does not list Astoria as a variant and gives different lat/lon coordinates which appear to be about a mile apart. Makes you wonder how much the USGS-GNIS data can be trusted??? -- Dennis M. Kowallek [email protected] ****************** ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: [email protected] or [email protected] Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do)

I think there are two Elk Creek Cemeteries. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:18:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:33:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote: > I typed "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" into the USGS-GNIS and got these variant names... > > >Variant Name(s)Gilbert-Richards Cemetery >Mill Road Cemetery >Venice Cemetery That's interesting. But when I type in Astoria Cemetery it says Elk Creek is a variant. When I type in Elk Creek Cemetery it does not list Astoria as a variant and gives different lat/lon coordinates which appear to be about a mile apart. Makes you wonder how much the USGS-GNIS data can be trusted??? -- Dennis M. Kowallek [email protected] ****************** ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: [email protected] or [email protected] Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do)

Hmmmm...being that the "Venice Cemetery" is at Ross, Butler County, (formerly known as Venice, Butler County, Ohio), and has never been part of the Fairfield Township area, Dennis is probably more correct than we would like, when it comes to the data that is in that specific data-base. It also reminds me that Hazel Stroup and her legion of Boy Scouts did an admirable job, but they didn't always get their information correct, so it still pays to get the facts from the original source, such as the cemetery records, tombstones, etc. I guess we will never completely get away from having to research hard data, and that is ok. It is what makes our avocation so enjoyable, even if we do run into brick walls, and why we are so willing to help each other. Keep on searching. The truth will eventually come out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kowallek" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:33:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote: > > > I typed "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" into the USGS-GNIS and got these variant names... > > > > > >Variant Name(s)Gilbert-Richards Cemetery > >Mill Road Cemetery > >Venice Cemetery > > That's interesting. But when I type in Astoria Cemetery it says Elk Creek is a > variant. When I type in Elk Creek Cemetery it does not list Astoria as a > variant and gives different lat/lon coordinates which appear to be about a > mile apart. Makes you wonder how much the USGS-GNIS data can be trusted??? > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > [email protected] or [email protected] > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > >

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:33:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote: > I typed "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" into the USGS-GNIS and got these variant names... > > >Variant Name(s)Gilbert-Richards Cemetery >Mill Road Cemetery >Venice Cemetery That's interesting. But when I type in Astoria Cemetery it says Elk Creek is a variant. When I type in Elk Creek Cemetery it does not list Astoria as a variant and gives different lat/lon coordinates which appear to be about a mile apart. Makes you wonder how much the USGS-GNIS data can be trusted??? -- Dennis M. Kowallek [email protected] ******************

No, I don't believe they ever did marry. It was stamped illegitimate right on his birth certificate. He was born 13 feb 1926. So it does suprise me that he was named Ralph Schwab, also. His dad Ralph went on to marry a Grace Booker in 1929.It was in Ralph SR.'s obit that Grace ehr of Liberty, Indiana was listed as a sister. I have a quite a bit of Schwab info, until this part of the family that is. So it may have been Grace Schwab that was a teacher. Thanks for any info anyone can provid. Bonnie

I typed "Fairfield Trustees Cemetery" into the USGS-GNIS and got these variant names... Variant Name(s)Gilbert-Richards Cemetery Mill Road Cemetery Venice Cemetery I also clicked on the viewing of topzone.com for this feature name and it appears to me to be the same cemetery. Mark Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: Deb Morrison <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:26:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? i don't believe this is the same cemetery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kowallek" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > Is the Richards-Gilbert Cemetery the same as the cemetery listed in USGS-GNIS > as Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? They both are listed in S20 in Fairfield Twp. > and appear to be very close to each other. > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: [email protected] or [email protected] Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do)

i don't believe this is the same cemetery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kowallek" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Richards-Gilbert Cemetery == Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? > Is the Richards-Gilbert Cemetery the same as the cemetery listed in USGS-GNIS > as Fairfield Trustees Cemetery? They both are listed in S20 in Fairfield Twp. > and appear to be very close to each other. > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler >