The only thing I can think of is Old Southern Baptist. I have no idea if that's right or not. Norma At 07:55 PM 4/8/2005 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:48:35 -0400, Norma Adams <[email protected]> wrote: > > >he was buried in the O S Baptist > >cemetery. > >Any idea what O S would stand for? > >-- > >Dennis M. Kowallek >[email protected] > >****************** > > >==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >Butler County Archives and Records Center - >http://www.butlercountyohio.org/records/

Rootsweb doesn't allow any attachments to go through the lists. It prevents those nasty bugs from getting through. Norma At 08:14 PM 4/8/2005 -0400, you wrote: >It didn't work when I attached the photos to the message forum. I

They are just photos of the signs and plaques that are in the cemetery. The plaques give the history of the cemetery and the church that was formerly on the site. It's three photos. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kowallek" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] O S Baptist Church > On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:14:09 -0400, "Tim Robertson" > <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>If anyone would like the photos I can send them to your personal email. > > What are the photos of? Specific graves? Or the cemetery in general? > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County Archives and Records Center - > http://www.butlercountyohio.org/records/ >

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:14:09 -0400, "Tim Robertson" <[email protected]> wrote: >If anyone would like the photos I can send them to your personal email. What are the photos of? Specific graves? Or the cemetery in general? -- Dennis M. Kowallek [email protected] ******************

It didn't work when I attached the photos to the message forum. If anyone would like the photos I can send them to your personal email. Just let me know. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kowallek" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] O S Baptist Church > On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:48:35 -0400, Norma Adams <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>he was buried in the O S Baptist >>cemetery. > > Any idea what O S would stand for? > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County Archives and Records Center - > http://www.butlercountyohio.org/records/ >

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:48:35 -0400, Norma Adams <[email protected]> wrote: >he was buried in the O S Baptist >cemetery. Any idea what O S would stand for? -- Dennis M. Kowallek [email protected] ******************

Thanks everyone for the help on the cemetery. The grave I'm looking for is Francis Law who died about 1818. His gggg-granddaughter said all she knows is that the record she has says he was buried in the O S Baptist cemetery. Norma

It's also known as the Pioneer Cemetery. Many of Trenton's pioneer's are buried there - including the founder and the first doctor there. At the corner is Founder's Park where the founder, Michael Pearce's house set. It's history is on a marker there. Take care, J. Larry Helton, Jr. "It's not how you die, it's what you live for." - Daniel Boone

The cemetery behind the Nazarene Church in Trenton was to an earlier church, without looking it up I cant remember the denomination off hand. Take care, J. Larry Helton, Jr. "It's not how you die, it's what you live for." - Daniel Boone

Thanks, Caroline. I remember searching for jjohnson, and not finding his new site. So I really appreciate this update. Currently at the library, so I'll need to update it later. Thanks, Norma! Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Norma Adams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:45:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Paddy's Run Cemetery Caroline, That's the only way to get the word out. I'm sure Nancy will see it and correct the link on the Butler co. Genweb Page. Nancy, did you get that??? Norma At 05:42 PM 4/7/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Is it possible to get this address corrected? >Paddy's Run Cemetery, Morgan Township. > >New Address--- >http://home.fuse.net/jerry.johnson/Old%20Welsh%20Cemetery/OldWelshCemetery.html > >Old Address--- >http://users.brecnet.com/jjohnson/Old%20Welsh%20Cemetery/OldWelshCemetery.html > >If this is not the correct way to get this kind of information out please >let me know. > >Caroline Huppi ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html

Yes, it's the same one. I will drive by in a bit to make sure of the name but I think I'm right. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kowallek" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] O S Baptist Church > On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:10:14 -0400, "Tim Robertson" > <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>I think the big cemetery at the main intersection is the Elk Creek Baptist >>Church Cemetery but there is no longer a church to go with it. > > Is this the one identified as Baptist Cemetery (variant Trenton Baptist > Cemetery) at... > > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form > > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=39.48056&longitude=-84.45972&size=big > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > [email protected] > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER >

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:10:14 -0400, "Tim Robertson" <[email protected]> wrote: >I think the big cemetery at the main intersection is the Elk Creek Baptist Church Cemetery but there is no longer a church to go with it. Is this the one identified as Baptist Cemetery (variant Trenton Baptist Cemetery) at... http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=39.48056&longitude=-84.45972&size=big -- Dennis M. Kowallek [email protected] ******************

I think there are three churches here in Trenton with cemeteries. There is the Holy Name Church, which has always been a Catholic church as far as I know. The Lutheran Church has a cemetery and I think it has always been Lutheran. There is also a Nazarene Church with a cemetery and I don't know if it has always been Nazarene. I think the big cemetery at the main intersection is the Elk Creek Baptist Church Cemetery but there is no longer a church to go with it. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Norma Adams To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] O S Baptist Church Hi, Which church in Trenton, with a cemetery, was/is known as the OS Baptist Church? A friend of mine has a relative buried there and I can't figure out which church cemetery it is. Thanks, Norma ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: [email protected] or [email protected] Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do)

Where is the list from the old riverside Middletown cemetery? According to some history I found in the Middletown Library about the old burial ground- "In 1873 but two stones remained, that of George Russell, who died May 25-1814, and Moses Vail, son of Steven Vail, who died at the age of sixty-two years." It's likely graves were moved but without tombstones going with the bodies Middletown doesn't have the records. I just read there were sexton records but I have not run across those yet. Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian KK Moon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > The only other possible way to confirm the burial place is death > certificates..if they can be found and if they list the place of burial. > Many of the old death certificates do not list burial place. > I believe that if any graves remained in the old cemetery by the river > they were brought to the Middletown Cementery and buried due to the > flooding. > Vivian > > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:54:45 -0400 "Caroline Huppi" <[email protected]> > writes: > > I find it naive that anyone believes there are burial records for > > these old > > cemeteries (pre 1880's). I'm sure it is possible where there has > > been 200 > > year continuity but I have found the following; > > Middletown Pioneer Cemetery didn't begin to keep records until > > the late > > 1800's. Information was retrofitted based on tombstones to fill in > > data > > before 1880's. -No tombstone- No information. Even today only > > burial date > > is logged. Yes you can get other information elsewhere "easily" > > today. > > The Middletown Cemetery that was by the river and now is > > considered > > washed away - I have found no list or retrofitted list of who > > might have > > even been buried there. > > Liberty Township Springhill cemetery- also did not begin to keep > > records > > until the late 1800's. The records kept basically kept track of > > plot > > ownership. I called one of the church members for the Bethany > > Methodist > > Church about possible records and she could not recall there being > > any. It > > is possible that the records exists but it would be quite some time > > to find. > > Baker farm cemetery Liberty Township - no records > > Woodmansee Sugar Valley family cemetery - no records variety of > > surveys > > over the years > > Clawson Cemetery, Liberty Township - no records that I've found > > and when > > I took pictures of the tombstones I found people the Stoup list > > didn't even > > have. I expected to find fewer on the list not additional people. > > Amanda Cemetery, Lemon township- people call this a Potters > > field. That > > is not the case. Granted it is being used as a Potters field now > > but look > > at the old tombstones- there is history in this cemetery. The > > Township > > supposedly has records but like everywhere I'm sure they do not > > exist for > > the early days.I have found an 1801 tombstone that gives some > > validity to it > > being the burial ground for the Prairie Baptist church that is > > "missing" in > > inaction. > > > > For these reasons alone new surveys need to be done for all Butler > > County > > Old Cemeteries and a more updated/ corrected list(s) created. Hazel > > Stroup > > et al did a great job. However not verifying the data is a gross > > oversight > > by the Butler County Historical community. Where is it documented > > how Hazel > > Stroup et al inventoried the cemeteries that were done? This > > mailing list > > is the first I have seen that "Boy Scouts" did the field labor. > > > > The Surveys people have done over the years, and put in the > > libraries are a > > great treasure that are taken for granted and not valued as possibly > > the > > only comprehensive burial list for such cemeteries. I am thankful > > for every > > Stroup list put on rootsweb. It's just one less place for me to > > make a > > typographical error when I'm trying to recheck information or take > > a > > picture. I don't claim to be a Butler County expert/ historian or > > even > > genealogist. The old and even historic cemeteries will be paved > > over before > > anyone verifies and documents who was even buried there. > > > > People are too busy, or why didn't the historical society? or > > government > > take care of this? But you won't know what you have til it's gone. > > Every > > time I mention that I'm working on putting the Middletown Cemetery > > information in a database and online the other person says- Why > > aren't you > > doing Greenwood Cemetery? Well why aren't "They" working on > > Greenwood > > Cemetery? If everyone did a little bit other knew what is being > > done > > perhaps another comprehensive Butler County Cemetery survey can be > > done- for > > at least the old sections and old cemeteries. > > > > Perhaps there is hope but I'll put my blinders on and hope someone > > else > > takes care of their own back yard. > > > > What does your back yard look like? > > > > Caroline Huppi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > > > > The Madison Township trustees take care of Elk Cemetery on SR122. > > They > > would know. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:31:46 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina > > <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of > > people > > buried > > > in Elk Creek Cemetery. > > > > > > There is some information available at > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also > > want to > > > check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have > > been > > referred > > > to as Elk Creek. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Dennis M. Kowallek > > > [email protected] > > > > > > ****************** > > > > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler > > > > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER >

Hi, Which church in Trenton, with a cemetery, was/is known as the OS Baptist Church? A friend of mine has a relative buried there and I can't figure out which church cemetery it is. Thanks, Norma

Caroline, That's the only way to get the word out. I'm sure Nancy will see it and correct the link on the Butler co. Genweb Page. Nancy, did you get that??? Norma At 05:42 PM 4/7/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Is it possible to get this address corrected? >Paddy's Run Cemetery, Morgan Township. > >New Address--- >http://home.fuse.net/jerry.johnson/Old%20Welsh%20Cemetery/OldWelshCemetery.html > >Old Address--- >http://users.brecnet.com/jjohnson/Old%20Welsh%20Cemetery/OldWelshCemetery.html > >If this is not the correct way to get this kind of information out please >let me know. > >Caroline Huppi

one of these days I will get Elk Creek Madison Township online under the Butler County Genealogy Society Website in my spare time Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Huppi" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > I find it naive that anyone believes there are burial records for these old > cemeteries (pre 1880's). I'm sure it is possible where there has been 200 > year continuity but I have found the following; > Middletown Pioneer Cemetery didn't begin to keep records until the late > 1800's. Information was retrofitted based on tombstones to fill in data > before 1880's. -No tombstone- No information. Even today only burial date > is logged. Yes you can get other information elsewhere "easily" today. > The Middletown Cemetery that was by the river and now is considered > washed away - I have found no list or retrofitted list of who might have > even been buried there. > Liberty Township Springhill cemetery- also did not begin to keep records > until the late 1800's. The records kept basically kept track of plot > ownership. I called one of the church members for the Bethany Methodist > Church about possible records and she could not recall there being any. It > is possible that the records exists but it would be quite some time to find. > Baker farm cemetery Liberty Township - no records > Woodmansee Sugar Valley family cemetery - no records variety of surveys > over the years > Clawson Cemetery, Liberty Township - no records that I've found and when > I took pictures of the tombstones I found people the Stoup list didn't even > have. I expected to find fewer on the list not additional people. > Amanda Cemetery, Lemon township- people call this a Potters field. That > is not the case. Granted it is being used as a Potters field now but look > at the old tombstones- there is history in this cemetery. The Township > supposedly has records but like everywhere I'm sure they do not exist for > the early days.I have found an 1801 tombstone that gives some validity to it > being the burial ground for the Prairie Baptist church that is "missing" in > inaction. > > For these reasons alone new surveys need to be done for all Butler County > Old Cemeteries and a more updated/ corrected list(s) created. Hazel Stroup > et al did a great job. However not verifying the data is a gross oversight > by the Butler County Historical community. Where is it documented how Hazel > Stroup et al inventoried the cemeteries that were done? This mailing list > is the first I have seen that "Boy Scouts" did the field labor. > > The Surveys people have done over the years, and put in the libraries are a > great treasure that are taken for granted and not valued as possibly the > only comprehensive burial list for such cemeteries. I am thankful for every > Stroup list put on rootsweb. It's just one less place for me to make a > typographical error when I'm trying to recheck information or take a > picture. I don't claim to be a Butler County expert/ historian or even > genealogist. The old and even historic cemeteries will be paved over before > anyone verifies and documents who was even buried there. > > People are too busy, or why didn't the historical society? or government > take care of this? But you won't know what you have til it's gone. Every > time I mention that I'm working on putting the Middletown Cemetery > information in a database and online the other person says- Why aren't you > doing Greenwood Cemetery? Well why aren't "They" working on Greenwood > Cemetery? If everyone did a little bit other knew what is being done > perhaps another comprehensive Butler County Cemetery survey can be done- for > at least the old sections and old cemeteries. > > Perhaps there is hope but I'll put my blinders on and hope someone else > takes care of their own back yard. > > What does your back yard look like? > > Caroline Huppi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > The Madison Township trustees take care of Elk Cemetery on SR122. They > would know. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:31:46 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of people > buried > > in Elk Creek Cemetery. > > > > There is some information available at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also want to > > check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have been > referred > > to as Elk Creek. > > > > -- > > > > Dennis M. Kowallek > > [email protected] > > > > ****************** > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler >

Is it possible to get this address corrected? Paddy's Run Cemetery, Morgan Township. New Address--- http://home.fuse.net/jerry.johnson/Old%20Welsh%20Cemetery/OldWelshCemetery.html Old Address--- http://users.brecnet.com/jjohnson/Old%20Welsh%20Cemetery/OldWelshCemetery.html If this is not the correct way to get this kind of information out please let me know. Caroline Huppi

Gary King, I have appreciated your efforts in putting the various lookups from the subject book on this site for all of us to read. When you can find the time, would look up the following for me: Conarroe p371, Connaroe p365, Connarroe p782, Goebel p134, Keller p102, 369, 370, 371, 372, 618, 763, Mendenhall p147, 371, 476, 477, 784, Theiss 708, 709 and Thiess p368. I realize that is a rather extensive list but I would appreciate anything that you can lookup, as your time permits. Respectfully, Don Goebel

The only other possible way to confirm the burial place is death certificates..if they can be found and if they list the place of burial. Many of the old death certificates do not list burial place. I believe that if any graves remained in the old cemetery by the river they were brought to the Middletown Cementery and buried due to the flooding. Vivian On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:54:45 -0400 "Caroline Huppi" <[email protected]> writes: > I find it naive that anyone believes there are burial records for > these old > cemeteries (pre 1880's). I'm sure it is possible where there has > been 200 > year continuity but I have found the following; > Middletown Pioneer Cemetery didn't begin to keep records until > the late > 1800's. Information was retrofitted based on tombstones to fill in > data > before 1880's. -No tombstone- No information. Even today only > burial date > is logged. Yes you can get other information elsewhere "easily" > today. > The Middletown Cemetery that was by the river and now is > considered > washed away - I have found no list or retrofitted list of who > might have > even been buried there. > Liberty Township Springhill cemetery- also did not begin to keep > records > until the late 1800's. The records kept basically kept track of > plot > ownership. I called one of the church members for the Bethany > Methodist > Church about possible records and she could not recall there being > any. It > is possible that the records exists but it would be quite some time > to find. > Baker farm cemetery Liberty Township - no records > Woodmansee Sugar Valley family cemetery - no records variety of > surveys > over the years > Clawson Cemetery, Liberty Township - no records that I've found > and when > I took pictures of the tombstones I found people the Stoup list > didn't even > have. I expected to find fewer on the list not additional people. > Amanda Cemetery, Lemon township- people call this a Potters > field. That > is not the case. Granted it is being used as a Potters field now > but look > at the old tombstones- there is history in this cemetery. The > Township > supposedly has records but like everywhere I'm sure they do not > exist for > the early days.I have found an 1801 tombstone that gives some > validity to it > being the burial ground for the Prairie Baptist church that is > "missing" in > inaction. > > For these reasons alone new surveys need to be done for all Butler > County > Old Cemeteries and a more updated/ corrected list(s) created. Hazel > Stroup > et al did a great job. However not verifying the data is a gross > oversight > by the Butler County Historical community. Where is it documented > how Hazel > Stroup et al inventoried the cemeteries that were done? This > mailing list > is the first I have seen that "Boy Scouts" did the field labor. > > The Surveys people have done over the years, and put in the > libraries are a > great treasure that are taken for granted and not valued as possibly > the > only comprehensive burial list for such cemeteries. I am thankful > for every > Stroup list put on rootsweb. It's just one less place for me to > make a > typographical error when I'm trying to recheck information or take > a > picture. I don't claim to be a Butler County expert/ historian or > even > genealogist. The old and even historic cemeteries will be paved > over before > anyone verifies and documents who was even buried there. > > People are too busy, or why didn't the historical society? or > government > take care of this? But you won't know what you have til it's gone. > Every > time I mention that I'm working on putting the Middletown Cemetery > information in a database and online the other person says- Why > aren't you > doing Greenwood Cemetery? Well why aren't "They" working on > Greenwood > Cemetery? If everyone did a little bit other knew what is being > done > perhaps another comprehensive Butler County Cemetery survey can be > done- for > at least the old sections and old cemeteries. > > Perhaps there is hope but I'll put my blinders on and hope someone > else > takes care of their own back yard. > > What does your back yard look like? > > Caroline Huppi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > The Madison Township trustees take care of Elk Cemetery on SR122. > They > would know. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dennis Kowallek <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:31:46 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Elk Creek Cemetery > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT), Sabrina > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >By any chance is there a book out there maybe that has a list of > people > buried > > in Elk Creek Cemetery. > > > > There is some information available at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/butler-cem.html. You might also > want to > > check Astoria Cemetery, as some have said that it may also have > been > referred > > to as Elk Creek. > > > > -- > > > > Dennis M. Kowallek > > [email protected] > > > > ****************** > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > Search for Butler County family names ~ > > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler > > >