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Hazel Stroup's inventory of cemeteries in the 1960's is the most Butler County Wide listing. Yes- there are great problems with those inventories but from a comprehensive point of view they are the only lists. The Hanilton Lane library on 3rd st in Hamilton has the Stroup inventories and more updated inventories. The Hamilton Lane Library is close to the Butler County Records office and may be the easiest access. I'm sure the Smith Library in Oxford has loads of stuff but if you are in Hamilton consider Hamilton's branch of the Lane library. You can poke around http://www .rootweb.com/~ohbutcem/ to see if you have relatives in Liberty, Wayne, Lemon/Middletown and part of Madison Twp. There are just a few Murphy's, Cornelius Murphy line- in Liberty Twp. Springhill Cemetery near Huntsville. And just a few other early 1900's Murphy's in the Middletown Cemetery. You might want to consider stopping at the Engineers Office website to request a county map- www.bceo.org but their online may may be adequate for your needs. I've only been working on Cemeteries in the Eastern part of the county so I may not be of any help to you. If you could narrow down the townships local experts may appear. Caroline Huppi- Liberty Twp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Brickner" <mbrick@gmail.com> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Planned Butler County Trip > We will be traveling to Butler County to followup on our MURPHY, DOUGLASS > and ASHTON ancestors. Several different Biographies about descendants of > these early settlers of Butler County indicate that a number of their > ancestors died in Butler County. However, I have searched the > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/ and not found any listing for their > deaths or burials. I understand that early 1800 births and deaths were not > recorded but, I had hoped to find them in the various online Cemetery > listings but no luck. My question is, aside from researching land > transactions looking for them, are there Cemetery Books that have not been > posted on the Butler County OHGENWEB URL? If other cemetery listings are > available where would we go to see these listings. Any advice would be > appreciated. > Thanks > > -- > Mike Brickner > Clarksville, TN > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html >

Thanks Caroline for the info. We were in Butler County in 2000 doing research, on our REED line, and visited the Records Archives and Land Records office. At the time we only casually looked at our Isaac Douglass line with without finding much. However, since then we have discovered additional connections that extended beyond 1836 when our Isaac removed his family to Hendricks County, Indiana. From the census information it appears that my MURPHY, DOUGLASS and ASHTON ancestors were from Pennsylvania and settled in Madison and Wayne Townships before 1820. I will try some of the links you suggested. We are going to spend at least two full days researching so we should have time check out a number of locations. I did pick up a Butler County plat map in 2000 so I know the layout of the County. On 8/19/05, Caroline Huppi <chuppi@cinci.rr.com> wrote: > > Hazel Stroup's inventory of cemeteries in the 1960's is the most Butler > County Wide listing. Yes- there are great problems with those inventories > but from a comprehensive point of view they are the only lists. The > Hanilton Lane library on 3rd st in Hamilton has the Stroup inventories and > more updated inventories. The Hamilton Lane Library is close to the Butler > County Records office and may be the easiest access. I'm sure the Smith > Library in Oxford has loads of stuff but if you are in Hamilton consider > Hamilton's branch of the Lane library. > > You can poke around http://www .rootweb.com/~ohbutcem/ to see if you have > relatives in Liberty, Wayne, Lemon/Middletown and part of Madison Twp. > > There are just a few Murphy's, Cornelius Murphy line- in Liberty Twp. > Springhill Cemetery near Huntsville. And just a few other early 1900's > Murphy's in the Middletown Cemetery. > > You might want to consider stopping at the Engineers Office website to > request a county map- www.bceo.org <http://www.bceo.org> but their online > may may be adequate for > your needs. > > I've only been working on Cemeteries in the Eastern part of the county so > I > may not be of any help to you. If you could narrow down the townships > local > experts may appear. > > Caroline Huppi- Liberty Twp > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Brickner" <mbrick@gmail.com> > To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:04 AM > Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Planned Butler County Trip > > > > We will be traveling to Butler County to followup on our MURPHY, > DOUGLASS > > and ASHTON ancestors. Several different Biographies about descendants of > > these early settlers of Butler County indicate that a number of their > > ancestors died in Butler County. However, I have searched the > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/ and not found any listing for their > > deaths or burials. I understand that early 1800 births and deaths were > not > > recorded but, I had hoped to find them in the various online Cemetery > > listings but no luck. My question is, aside from researching land > > transactions looking for them, are there Cemetery Books that have not > been > > posted on the Butler County OHGENWEB URL? If other cemetery listings are > > available where would we go to see these listings. Any advice would be > > appreciated. > > Thanks > > > > -- > > Mike Brickner > > Clarksville, TN > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > > -- Mike Brickner Clarksville, TN

We will be traveling to Butler County to followup on our MURPHY, DOUGLASS and ASHTON ancestors. Several different Biographies about descendants of these early settlers of Butler County indicate that a number of their ancestors died in Butler County. However, I have searched the http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/ and not found any listing for their deaths or burials. I understand that early 1800 births and deaths were not recorded but, I had hoped to find them in the various online Cemetery listings but no luck. My question is, aside from researching land transactions looking for them, are there Cemetery Books that have not been posted on the Butler County OHGENWEB URL? If other cemetery listings are available where would we go to see these listings. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks -- Mike Brickner Clarksville, TN

Hi Morris, Thanks for your kind offer. I'll contact you in the fall when the foliage begins to leave. I suppose you live in the area. I live abt 20 miles west in Fayette county IN. Chuck Counceller Connersville, IN ----- Original Message ----- From: <MPorris@aol.com> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Freeman Cem. location > > It's hard to describe how to get to the Freeman Cem. The site that I > found was verified to have been a cemetery by Tom Stander, a local > cemetery/history buff. The site also fits a description of the location as > given in a local > paper from about 1880. The only remnants that I found were a concrete base > with > a slot that could have held a headstone and several field stones that > seemed > to have been part of headstones. Tom said the area had been bulldozed. It > is > quite brushy. It's been said that a nearby farmer had used the stones to > make a > path. The owner of the old Coulter farmhouse says that some are in her > yard. > Location: northeast out of Oxford on Bonham Rd., right (south) on > Hillcrest Dr., continue on short private dirt road, no place to park, > trespass on > private property for several hundred yards going generally south. > I am willing to lead those who are interested via a longer walking > route > that avoids walking by the nearby houses. The area can be better seen > after > the leaves fall. Please realize that their is virtually nothing to see, we > would > be mostly bushwhacking and using deer trails, and I will probably make a > few > wrong turns. > > Morris Peters MPorris@aol.com > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County American History & Genealogy Project > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler > >

You have piqued my curiosity. What names are you interested in locating? My reasoning is that it will depend on their origin as to where they located. You have very specific groups, either family or country of ancestry that tended to settle in specific locations as they traveled to this area. Like minds feel more comfortable settling around each other, especially if a brother, cousin, or father has already established themselves in an area and may have the ability to help the newcomer to assimilate into that society or area. Just makes sense to make it easier on oneself to locate next to Dad in order to get help when needed, or, if Brother John bought 144 acres that he has to clear, he will ask you to help on the premise that you will also get the benefit of working the land and protecting against the Indians, the weather, etc., plus it doesn't get as lonely when you have family around. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Silvadv1@aol.com> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Fw: Freeman Cemetery > Can anyone suggest where the earliest burials in Butler County might have > been? My ancestors died there around 1803-1810, after moving there from > Washington County, PA. > Mary > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County American History & Genealogy Project > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler > >

Can anyone suggest where the earliest burials in Butler County might have been? My ancestors died there around 1803-1810, after moving there from Washington County, PA. Mary

It's hard to describe how to get to the Freeman Cem. The site that I found was verified to have been a cemetery by Tom Stander, a local cemetery/history buff. The site also fits a description of the location as given in a local paper from about 1880. The only remnants that I found were a concrete base with a slot that could have held a headstone and several field stones that seemed to have been part of headstones. Tom said the area had been bulldozed. It is quite brushy. It's been said that a nearby farmer had used the stones to make a path. The owner of the old Coulter farmhouse says that some are in her yard. Location: northeast out of Oxford on Bonham Rd., right (south) on Hillcrest Dr., continue on short private dirt road, no place to park, trespass on private property for several hundred yards going generally south. I am willing to lead those who are interested via a longer walking route that avoids walking by the nearby houses. The area can be better seen after the leaves fall. Please realize that their is virtually nothing to see, we would be mostly bushwhacking and using deer trails, and I will probably make a few wrong turns. Morris Peters MPorris@aol.com

Rebekah, The Bolsers are not my direct line, but a sister of my gggg grandfather, Barbara Waldschmidt, married Henry Bolser in 1834. I'm pretty sure they married in Hamilton or Butler Co OH but moved to Scott/Jefferson county IN soon thereafter. Just thought I'd add to your info if you don't have Henry in your data. Sue Kruse, Gilroy CA

I too am interested in this cemetery. I believe it is sometimes referred to as the Freeman/Bridgeford cemetery. There was a person on this list a few years ago who had offered to take another person to the location. I think his name was Morris Peters, not at all sure. I had never contacted him but am very interested in visiting this site. I think it is considered a 'lost cemetery' Some of the Freeman stones were moved to the Oxford cemetery and are located in a small mauseleum on the side of the hill about midway in the Oxford cemetery. They can be seen and photographed. Chuck Counceller, descendant of William Bridgeford (buried in Freeman/Bridgeford cemetery. Connersville, IN (Land of the Indians) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Morrison" <da120757@cinci.rr.com> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Fw: Freeman Cemetery > thanks Caroline > > Deb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Caroline Huppi" <chuppi@cinci.rr.com> > To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Fw: Freeman Cemetery > > >> Hobart/Margaret Smith email address did not come with the message to me. >> >> According to Ohio Cemeteries: 1803-2003 page 78 >> The "Freeman cemetery" is/was in Oxford Township. >> NW 1/4 of S24- T5N:R1E. Location: South of Bonham Rd between Hillcrest >> Drive and Oxford Milford Road on old Coulter farm. There are supposed to > be >> 0 stones in 2002 and 3 burials earliest burial noted as 1846? >> >> Perhaps someone in Oxford knows more. The "Oxford Historical Society" >> Oxford Museum Organization >> P.O. Box 184, Oxford, OH 45056 (513) 523-2546 may have more information. >> One might also inquire at the Smith Regional Library in Oxford. Both >> organizations have webpages. >> >> The 1960's Stroup inventories list the "Freeman cemetery" on page 37 of >> Volume VII - 1964. The 1875 Atlas shows the NW 1/4 of Section 24, Oxford >> Twp owned by J Booth and in the NE 1/4 T Coulter & T Fitzgerald >> >> I don't have more. Caroline >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Deb Morrison" <da120757@cinci.rr.com> >> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:26 AM >> Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Fw: Freeman Cemetery >> >> >> > Could someone on the list email her directions to the Freeman Cemetery >> please >> > >> > I am not sure where it is located >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Deb Morrison >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Hobart/Margaret Smith >> > To: da120757@cinci.rr.com >> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:59 AM >> > Subject: Freeman Cemetery >> > >> > >> > Can you give me a location of the Freeman Cemetery in Butler Co.? >> > >> > Thanks >> > Margaret Miller Smith >> > >> > >> > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >> > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: >> > OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com >> > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) >> > >> >> >> ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >> A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html >> > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County American History & Genealogy Project > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler > >

Hello, Rebekah. Saw your mentioning the Reunion. Congratulations on doing well with it & the growth, too. In the listing of names you mentioned represented I saw the surname "Lightner." I have a Lightner line that ended up in the Allen county, Auglaize county & Hardin county areas. Not sure where they were before that, no doubt OH. The line I'm tracing is Ell Lightner w/family; ca 1910 he married Rosa Gant Kerr (she'd been married to Albert Sidney Kerr, till he died ca 1910). At the time Rosa married Ell, she had children Gloria, Robert, think another 1 or 2. Believe all died in the following 20 yrs except Robert. Does the name Ell Lightner sound familiar? Or, do you have contact w/another Lightner who might have more LIghtner information? Hope to hear back from you. Pavla Chandler

thanks Caroline Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Huppi" <chuppi@cinci.rr.com> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Fw: Freeman Cemetery > Hobart/Margaret Smith email address did not come with the message to me. > > According to Ohio Cemeteries: 1803-2003 page 78 > The "Freeman cemetery" is/was in Oxford Township. > NW 1/4 of S24- T5N:R1E. Location: South of Bonham Rd between Hillcrest > Drive and Oxford Milford Road on old Coulter farm. There are supposed to be > 0 stones in 2002 and 3 burials earliest burial noted as 1846? > > Perhaps someone in Oxford knows more. The "Oxford Historical Society" > Oxford Museum Organization > P.O. Box 184, Oxford, OH 45056 (513) 523-2546 may have more information. > One might also inquire at the Smith Regional Library in Oxford. Both > organizations have webpages. > > The 1960's Stroup inventories list the "Freeman cemetery" on page 37 of > Volume VII - 1964. The 1875 Atlas shows the NW 1/4 of Section 24, Oxford > Twp owned by J Booth and in the NE 1/4 T Coulter & T Fitzgerald > > I don't have more. Caroline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deb Morrison" <da120757@cinci.rr.com> > To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:26 AM > Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Fw: Freeman Cemetery > > > > Could someone on the list email her directions to the Freeman Cemetery > please > > > > I am not sure where it is located > > > > Thanks > > > > Deb Morrison > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Hobart/Margaret Smith > > To: da120757@cinci.rr.com > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:59 AM > > Subject: Freeman Cemetery > > > > > > Can you give me a location of the Freeman Cemetery in Butler Co.? > > > > Thanks > > Margaret Miller Smith > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > > OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html >

Just a reminder. The 1st and 3rd Saturdays of the month 8AM to 12PM at the Woodmansee Cemetery Liberty Township, Butler County, OH Call Caroline Huppi 513-779-8740 for more information. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem/LibertyTwpCem/WoodmanseeCemetery/WoodmanseeSugarValleyCemetery.htm With the 4 corners of the cemetery identified from the recent survey more area needs to be cleared out and stumps removed. There's enough work for everybody. Bring hand tools, water and dress for the conditions-possilbe poison ivy. The website has donation information and progress photos. Thank-you for spreading the news. Caroline Huppi

Hello to all listers, I haven't shared with the list in a while, but I am always reading. Just wanted to let everyone know that on August 14, 2005 the 4th Annual Bolser reunion was held in Liberty, IN. If anyone is ever interested in being added to the mailing list, please contact me. My list is growing quickly, which is a good thing. I began this reunion 4 years ago to pull together all children of David Bolser and Elizabeth (Moore) Bolser. The next year I included David's first wife's (Cora Alice "Allie" Johnson Bolser), and their children. We have grown from 50 or so at the first reunion to over 100 this year. Now I would like to start inviting anyone who is related to the Bolser's from Hamilton or Butler Counties. I have done extensive research on this side of the family and all research is on display at the reunion. There is also a photo quality copier provided to make copies of family photos. Some of the names represented at the reunion are as follows, of course this is not a complete list. Grau, Bufler, Fisher, Moore, McConnell, Bohn, Roehm, Lightner, Jones, Morris, Singleton, Heitfield, Conrad, Balser, Bolser, and many more. Please contact me via email if you are interested in attending the 5th Annual Bolser Reunion in 2006. Also contact me if you are related to any of the names above and we can share information. Happy hunting to everyone. Rebekah Bolser Robbins _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Hobart/Margaret Smith email address did not come with the message to me. According to Ohio Cemeteries: 1803-2003 page 78 The "Freeman cemetery" is/was in Oxford Township. NW 1/4 of S24- T5N:R1E. Location: South of Bonham Rd between Hillcrest Drive and Oxford Milford Road on old Coulter farm. There are supposed to be 0 stones in 2002 and 3 burials earliest burial noted as 1846? Perhaps someone in Oxford knows more. The "Oxford Historical Society" Oxford Museum Organization P.O. Box 184, Oxford, OH 45056 (513) 523-2546 may have more information. One might also inquire at the Smith Regional Library in Oxford. Both organizations have webpages. The 1960's Stroup inventories list the "Freeman cemetery" on page 37 of Volume VII - 1964. The 1875 Atlas shows the NW 1/4 of Section 24, Oxford Twp owned by J Booth and in the NE 1/4 T Coulter & T Fitzgerald I don't have more. Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Morrison" <da120757@cinci.rr.com> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Fw: Freeman Cemetery > Could someone on the list email her directions to the Freeman Cemetery please > > I am not sure where it is located > > Thanks > > Deb Morrison > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hobart/Margaret Smith > To: da120757@cinci.rr.com > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:59 AM > Subject: Freeman Cemetery > > > Can you give me a location of the Freeman Cemetery in Butler Co.? > > Thanks > Margaret Miller Smith > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) >

Could someone on the list email her directions to the Freeman Cemetery please I am not sure where it is located Thanks Deb Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: Hobart/Margaret Smith To: da120757@cinci.rr.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Freeman Cemetery Can you give me a location of the Freeman Cemetery in Butler Co.? Thanks Margaret Miller Smith

Thank you for answering. I'm grasping at straws, and what I can tell you will be of little help. My ancestor, (John) Peter Hammer/s, a blacksmith in the Revolutionary War married ca. 1779 to a widow, Elizabeth White Bonser, in York Co. PA. They had 8 children. We have been unable to locate a son, John. We know the dates and places where the family lived from Peter's pension record ~ moved from York Co. PA.> Frederick Co. MD> Fayette Co. PA>Alleghaney Co. (now Armstrong Co) PA where Elizabeth died in 1798>Fayette Co. PA>Monongalia Co VA (now Marion Co. WV). We don't know when or where John was born but a guesstimate possibly MD ca. 1785/8. Peter & Elizabeth built the first Baptist church in what is now Armstrong Co. PA. An old family journal written by a grandson lists the names of the children and where they went except "John went south and hasn't been heard of since." I am descended from (John) Peter Hammers 2nd wife. Their son, Augustus Hamer was my gr. grandfather. Their son, Augustus Hamer, and family moved to Butler Co. OH where my grandmother was born in Middletown in 1849. This is one reason we speculate that his half-brother. John, or his children lived there. Four of Peter's children and his two stepchildren moved from PA to Clermont Co. OH, James & Agnes Woodmansee, Mary who married William Curruthers, Joseph & Elizabeth Hanna and Phebe, and Nathaniel Bonser and Hannah Bonser White. Phebe Hammer married in Clermont Co. to Thomas Stephens. There is a lady in Texas who claims to be descended from this same Phebe and a first husband, Oaky McCabe, whom she married in Butler Co. OH and had a child (her ancestor) who was raised by the paternal grandparents, then Phebe married Thomas Stephens/Stevens. We think she is incorrect. The McCabe & Stevens marriages occurred in the same year and only a few months apart. Also, our Phebe married Thomas Stevens under the name of Phebe Hammer, not McCabe. I speculate that perhaps the brother John lived there who had a daughter, Phebe, who married the McCabe. Some of the Woodmansees moved from PA to NC and then to Jackson Co. IN where the four children of Peter Hammer moved to from Clermont Co. I hope you can follow this. As I said, I'm clutching at straws trying to locate our John, and I just have nothing solid to go on except he may have been a member of a Baptist Church like his parents. I thought perhaps John also went to NC with some of the Woodmansees, then to Butler Co. OH. I really don't anticipate any results from this, but I have to take a shot of it. Thanks again for responding. Juanita Lewis

There are several John Hammer's listed. Do you have any other information? -----Original Message----- From: GraveNews2@aol.com [mailto:GraveNews2@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:56 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] John Hammer Does anyone on the list know anything about the John Hammer listed in the 1830 census for Butler Co. St. Clair Township. Juanita Lewis ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html

Does anyone on the list know anything about the John Hammer listed in the 1830 census for Butler Co. St. Clair Township. Juanita Lewis

In a message dated 8/6/2005 10:01:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, Gilburns@aol.com writes: thank you, I did not know of the online versions I am in the process of scanning and converting the ENTIRE book into an online edition. 500 pages down, 300 to go. So, I am focusing on doing this rather than doing further lookups, if you don't mind. Thanks for your understanding. Gary King