According to the article in the paper this morning, it can be learned. He said you have to practice at it. Norma At 04:32 PM 10/31/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Can this be learned? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patricia Kantzer > To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:15 AM > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Grave dowsing > > > My sister does this quite a bit. She does it well enough that a company is > Australia paid her to go to Australia to locate some graves before they > started construction. She also does water "witching" but won't let you call > it witching. She has another name for it. She also is able to locate > foundations for a former house. She can locate where windows, doorways and > inside walls would have been located. > Pat > > > > >==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >Butler County American History & Genealogy Project >http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler

Can this be learned? ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Kantzer To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Grave dowsing My sister does this quite a bit. She does it well enough that a company is Australia paid her to go to Australia to locate some graves before they started construction. She also does water "witching" but won't let you call it witching. She has another name for it. She also is able to locate foundations for a former house. She can locate where windows, doorways and inside walls would have been located. Pat

In support of "dowsing".......one time when I was pregnant and teaching, the kids tried to find out the gender of the baby by holding a needle and thead suspended over my wrist.....supposed to swing one way for a boy and the other way for a girl.......the needle repeatedly went round in circcles over my wrist........I had twiins.........a boy and a girl..........makes you wonder!! -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > There an article in the Cincinnati Enquirer today on grave dowsing and Tom > Stander of the Butler Co. Hist. Soc. > > > > http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051031/LIFE/510310313 > > Norma > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) >

Hi...sorry to interject, but I made two witching rods out of clothes hangers, and I was able to find water lines, etc. Never tried to find grave sites, but like you said....it can be learned. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Norma Adams [mailto:njadams@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:43 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Grave dowsing According to the article in the paper this morning, it can be learned. He said you have to practice at it. Norma At 04:32 PM 10/31/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Can this be learned? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patricia Kantzer > To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:15 AM > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Grave dowsing > > > My sister does this quite a bit. She does it well enough that a company is > Australia paid her to go to Australia to locate some graves before they > started construction. She also does water "witching" but won't let you call > it witching. She has another name for it. She also is able to locate > foundations for a former house. She can locate where windows, doorways and > inside walls would have been located. > Pat > > > > >==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >Butler County American History & Genealogy Project >http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do)

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Hi, The solution is quite simple. _www.ohiohistory.org/resource/archlib/brthdth1.html_ (http://www.ohiohistory.org/resource/archlib/brthdth1.html) Just use part of the address. It takes you to the right place. Judy

Hi, There an article in the Cincinnati Enquirer today on grave dowsing and Tom Stander of the Butler Co. Hist. Soc. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051031/LIFE/510310313 Norma

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:24:57 -0500 (EST), jwilkinson <tnecjim@earthlink.net> wrote: >I too, have the same problem . > >In a message dated 10/26/2005 2:42:45 PM US Eastern Standard Time, >cheeksmck@hotmail.com writes: > >>www.ohiohistory.org/resource/archlib/brthdth1.html#birth1908topresent > >Hi, I tried this website and it keeps coming back as an error. It appears to be working fine this morning. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

I too, have the same problem . James -----Original Message----- From: Rainen03@aol.com Sent: Oct 26, 2005 4:35 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Butler County Births, deaths In a message dated 10/26/2005 2:42:45 PM US Eastern Standard Time, cheeksmck@hotmail.com writes: >www.ohiohistory.org/resource/archlib/brthdth1.html#birth1908topresent Hi, I tried this website and it keeps coming back as an error. DIANE US GEN WEB VOLUNTEER ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Butler County American History & Genealogy Project http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler

Hi, We had a power outage a bit ago and I lost the last 3 years of email I had saved. It's gone! So anyone who wrote me earlier today, please resend it. I no long have it. Thanks, Sorry for the inconvenience. Norma

That sounds good Nancy Take care, J. Larry Helton, Jr.

Bette, The Middletown library doesn't have the Hamilton papers on film, only the Middletown paper. I will check on it next time I go,though, just in case it might have been in there. There is several years where there is no film at all available. I'm thinking 1874 is in those missing years. Norma At 10:03 PM 10/29/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Norma, Would it be possible for you to look for an obit in the local >newspaper for a death that occurred in Hamilton, Butler Co., Ohio on 25 >January 1874 for Emma (Anna) WEISS (Weis). She was the daughter of Chris >& Dora WEISS of that city. Thank you for any help that you might be able >to give to this request. >Bette

Larry and all, I just added your info on the Huff-Dine Cemetery at _http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cem/huff-dine.html_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cem/huff-dine.html) OK? Nancy Sween In a message dated 10/29/2005 7:35:11 PM Central Standard Time, spoors@localnet.com writes: I was able to visit the Huff / Dine Cemetery a few days ago. Here is the information I recorded there.

The 176-page text of 'Amish Mennonites in Tazewell County' has just been updated on the website of the Tazewell County Genealogical & Historical Society, www.tcghs.org/Staker.pdf The Hochstettler family has been added. Supplemental genealogies now include Farny, Roth, Zimmerman, Ropp, Amman, Fischer, Nachmann/Bachman, Mosimann/Mosiman, Roche/Rocher, Schrag/Schrock, Salzman, Belsley, Schertz, Engel, Bercler, Gerber/Garber, Reeser, and Hochstettler. Joseph Staker Silverdale, Washington

At 10:23 PM 10/29/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/29/2005 12:48:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, >njadams@cinci.rr.com writes: > >Obits are >wonderful when they give info, but as with any information, it's only as >good as the person who gave it. > > > >And even then it's not always correct because whoever enters the information >for printing can make mistakes. When my father died I wrote the obit, >however, several papers use a service which takes the information >and rewrites it. > They totally screwed up. Had him born in a city and state in which he >never set foot in his life. This city and state weren't in the obit I >wrote. >Where they got it is unknown to this day. That's true. I've seen the local paper have to reprint obits sometimes twice because they really messed it up the first time. It makes a person wonder if they have any proofreaders! Norma

In a message dated 10/29/2005 12:48:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, njadams@cinci.rr.com writes: Obits are wonderful when they give info, but as with any information, it's only as good as the person who gave it. And even then it's not always correct because whoever enters the information for printing can make mistakes. When my father died I wrote the obit, however, several papers use a service which takes the information and rewrites it. They totally screwed up. Had him born in a city and state in which he never set foot in his life. This city and state weren't in the obit I wrote. Where they got it is unknown to this day.

Norma, Would it be possible for you to look for an obit in the local newspaper for a death that occurred in Hamilton, Butler Co., Ohio on 25 January 1874 for Emma (Anna) WEISS (Weis). She was the daughter of Chris & Dora WEISS of that city. Thank you for any help that you might be able to give to this request. Bette >The paper goes back pre-1900 but the further back you go the more issues >you find missing. Some years entirely are missing. > You don't always find obits with any information either. Sometimes it > only says they died and when the funeral will be. I found my > gg-grandmother's obit in 1896 but all it had was that she had died and > would be buried at 8am the next morning. If I hadn't had her death date > from church records, I wouldn't have known for sure it was her. Obits > are wonderful when they give info, but as with any information, it's only > as good as the person who gave it. > > Norma

Dana, I need your new email address again. Take care, J. Larry Helton, Jr. "It's not how you die, it's what you live for." - Daniel Boone

I was able to visit the Huff / Dine Cemetery a few days ago. Here is the information I recorded there. Located at rear of property (13 acres), in a wooded and brushy area, presently owned by Steve Cook, 4626 Mosiman Rd., Madison Twp., Butler County, Ohio. - complete, white, sandstone marker, leaning on tree: Catherine, wife of Issac Huff, died Feb. 19, 1823, aged 59 yrs. 1 mos. 29 ds. - incomplete, broken, white, sandstone marker, lying flat: Rachel, wife of John Dine, died ??, 12, 186? - stone marker next to one above, primitive carving, upright: Rachel Dine. - broken, white, sandstone marker, faced down: unreadable. - small, white, sandstone marker, resembling a foot stone, leaning on tree: no markings. - several field stones, some upright, some scattered. . several sunken areas. recorded by J. Larry Helton, Jr., Madison Twp., October 26, 2005 There was no readable stone for Issac Huff. Past references give information taken from his stone. (Dana, I will send you pictures when I get them developed.) (Ruth, I need an address to send pictures to you.) Take care, J. Larry Helton, Jr. "It's not how you die, it's what you live for." - Daniel Boone

Kim, You're welcome. The paper goes back pre-1900 but the further back you go the more issues you find missing. Some years entirely are missing. You don't always find obits with any information either. Sometimes it only says they died and when the funeral will be. I found my gg-grandmother's obit in 1896 but all it had was that she had died and would be buried at 8am the next morning. If I hadn't had her death date from church records, I wouldn't have known for sure it was her. Obits are wonderful when they give info, but as with any information, it's only as good as the person who gave it. Norma At 08:28 AM 10/29/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Norma I can not thank you enough. So much can be learend from an obituary. >Do you know how far back that paper goes? My families were spilt between >Warren Co, Butler Co and Montgomery Co Ohio. Thnaks again, this is >wonderful of you. >Kimberly Berkshire