Judy, Our Middletown Library doesn't have the Hamilton papers on film. I wish they did. I seldom get to Hamilton. Maybe someone in Hamilton could look up the obits for you. Norma At 07:16 PM 11/1/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Norma, > >Sometime when you get to the Hamilton, Ohio Library or Butler County Library >would you please check to see if you can find a obit on > >August Otto Wiegand, b. 1852 and d. 1916. > > Also, his wife, Catherine Meyer b. 1860 d. 1935. > > Both are buried in the Greenwood Cemetery. > >I have taken pictures of the whole family in Greenwood that I knew about. >Catherine's name may be spelled with a K and the last name could also be >Maier. >I can get back no further than these two people. I think they both were born >and married in Germany so I would like to have some more specifics. Thank >you >so much. I usually get back to Ohio once a year but I haven't been there >this year and I don't think I am going to get there soon. So your help >will be >appreciated. >Thank you in advance. >Take care, >Judy Minihan >Vancouver, WA > > >==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: >OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com >Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do)

No, it's the person's age at their death. In a message dated 11/4/2005 9:12:25 AM Central Standard Time, ritaelkins@commspeed.net writes: I wondered: Did it pertain to how long it took before burial? How long they were on their deathbed?

I wondered: Did it pertain to how long it took before burial? How long they were on their deathbed?

Thank you, Diane; valuable information. Out of curiosity, do you know what the time notations (2 das, 3 wks) next to death dates meant? Rita

St. Stephen's Cemetery and St Mary's Cemetery are the only Catholic cemeteries located in the City of Hamilton, Butler County, Ohio. St. Mary's is located in south Hamilton (Lindenwald) on Pleasant Avenue and is the newer of the two. St. Stephen Cemetery is located on Greenwood Avenue in Hamilton, Ohio. The "old" section is on the south side of Greenwood Avenue bordered on three sides by Greenwood Cemetery. Land for the newer section of St. Stephen Cemetery was purchased April 26, 1873. At that time it was decided to sell only individual graves in the old cemetery. Note: The old St. Mary, St. Stephen, and St. Veronica parishes merged to form St. Julie Billiart parish in 1989. St. Julie Billiart, which is located in the old St. Stephen Church, is supposed to have records on hand for the original three parishes. Below is the contact info for St. Julie Billiart... [ It is my understanding that a monetary donation is suggested for genealogical lookups of Catholic records.] St Julie Billiart Parish (513) 863-1040 224 Dayton St Hamilton, OH 45011 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The following are taken from the St. Stephen's Cemetery [Old] (1850 - 1994) listings published by the Southwest Butler County Genealogical Society: Gfroerer, Aug. (no tombstone) *Aug 20, 1894 *Denotes information taken from the records located in the office of St. Stephen Cemetery. Ruhe, Albert (no tombstone) *Feb 13, 1892. 7das Ruhe, Herman (no tombstone) *Dec 26, 1892 3wks Ruhe, Robert (no tombstone) *Aug 18, 1895. 2das [there are also some listings with the surname spelling of Ruwe] and there are a large number (44) of Ruhl listings, including those without tombstones, but I see no listing for an Elias Ruhl.

Matilde Ruhe married Charles Gfroerer and lived in Monroe OH. Being Catholic, they were married at the Church of the Seven Dolors in Monroe and my grandmother, Helen Rose Gfroerer, was born in 1899. They moved to Lindenwald where my grandfather was a tile cutter and did carpenter work. The only other date I have is that Charles Gfroerer died in 1967. > I was told a few years ago that the St. Stephen's cemetery records > were destroyed by fire/water sometime after 1867. But yet, there is > some question about some old moldy records that were around some 30 > years ago. I haven't confirmed that. I heard they were in German. I > would love to find out if they still exist. The same person also said > about 30 years ago she was visiting Greenwood and a large number of > stones in an area were broken/destroyed. Since she too was searching > for RUHLs, I felt this might be the area where Elias could be found. > I was hoping the Civil War veterans' resting spots would have been > untouched. His company came out of Camp Denison. I was going to see > if they might have something to view. > > Matilde Ruhe ... can you give me any dates? I'll do my best. > > Karen Ruhl I attended a reunion of sorts in 1997 and wrote down this address & phone number, but don't know why: St. Mary Cemetery Assn, 4030 Pleasant Ave., Hamilton, (513)893-1151. I wrote it after noting that Greenwood Cemetery was next to St. Stephen's and that St. Stephens has the mausoleum the Gfroerers were buried in, or in the Catholic cemetery off Pleasant Ave. Maybe this address could help you find Elias Ruhl. Thanks for any info you find for me.

For Karen: My G-Grandmother was Matilda Ruhe and she was buried in St. Stephen's Cemetery. Her parents were German but I think she was born in Erlanger KY. Just thought maybe you should try finding your Elias under Ruhe vs. Ruhl. Like you, I have done little research of my ancestors. Let me know if you find a connection please! Rita

Good Morning, I just discovered the Ohio Historical Society has now added 7 years to their online Death Certificate indexes here: http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/ Previously, it only went through 1937. Now, it's up to 1944. They have improved the search engine too. Enjoy! Norma

My Butler County connection is ELIAS RUHL, b. 1812, in HERBSTEIN Germany. He emigrated in 1847 and married Sarah Meininger/Neininger in 1849; Old St. Stephens Church. He resided in Seven Mile, OH for a time. WIEGAND is a very common name in the Herbstein Church registers and I will look a my excel spreadsheets to see if I can find him. He may have been born in the US, as some of these townspeople/relatives came to Cincinnati/Louisville/Hamilton/Milhousen, IN, and beyond before 1852. I am at a brick wall with my ELIAS RUHL. I know he was a civil war veteran and died ca. December 31, 1867. My suspicion is he is buried in the Greenwood Cemetery or Old St. Stephen's portion of the Cemetery in an area devoid of headstones. His brother, Johannes Ruhl, b. 1823, has a very nice headstone in German. Another brother, Daniel, died in 1851. I have tried to find a newspaper obituary for this time frame in Hamilton and in the German papers in Cincinnati, without any luck. I haven't been very active with my genealogy hobby, but lately I have been pulled to resume my quest. I have been starting other lines. If you have a connection to HERBSTEIN and would like me to look for surnames and individuals, I am very willing to share my work. My microfilm transcriptions are not complete yet, but I have finished the marriage records of 1817-1875. Respectfully, Karen Gibson-Ruhl

Hi Karen, Thank you for doing a lookup for my August Otto Weigand/Wiegand on the church records. I have no idea where in Germany he came from. When my Mom and I were in Rudesheim a salesperson saw her name and said, that there were a lot of Wiegand's in that area. Take care, Judy Minihan

Norma, Sometime when you get to the Hamilton, Ohio Library or Butler County Library would you please check to see if you can find a obit on August Otto Wiegand, b. 1852 and d. 1916. Also, his wife, Catherine Meyer b. 1860 d. 1935. Both are buried in the Greenwood Cemetery. I have taken pictures of the whole family in Greenwood that I knew about. Catherine's name may be spelled with a K and the last name could also be Maier. I can get back no further than these two people. I think they both were born and married in Germany so I would like to have some more specifics. Thank you so much. I usually get back to Ohio once a year but I haven't been there this year and I don't think I am going to get there soon. So your help will be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Take care, Judy Minihan Vancouver, WA

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:00:48 -0500, Norma Adams <njadams@cinci.rr.com> wrote: >The 1900 census shows a Cochran family with a daughter named Nancy Cochran >that fits your Nan Cochran's age. > >1900 Butler Co. Reily Twp. I'll bet this was close to the Hanover Twp. border. There are still Cochran's living in the area. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

Hi, The 1900 census shows a Cochran family with a daughter named Nancy Cochran that fits your Nan Cochran's age. 1900 Butler Co. Reily Twp. #191/197 William Cochran, head, b. Oct. 1844, age 55, m. 29 yrs, Oh/Pa/Oh, farmer Ellen, wife, b. Jan. 1852, age 48, m. 29 yrs, 3 ch 3 liv., Oh/Oh/Wales Nancy, dau, b. Mar. 1878, age 22, OhOhOh<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Beatrice, dau, b. Mar. 1884, age 16, OhOhOh Jennie B. Cochran, sister, b. Sept. 1835, age 64, Oh/Pa/Mass 1880 Butler Co. - Reily Twp. has this listing: #176/179 William Cochran,34, farmer, Oh/Pa/Ire Ellen, 28, wife, keep. house, OhOh/Mass Martha, 06, dau, OhOhOh Nannie, 02, dau, OhOhOh<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Harry Irwin, 16, no relationship listed, servant, OhOhOh I can't locate a Nan Cochran in 1910. Her mother, Mrs. William Cochran, along with daughter Beatrice are the only ones who show up in 1910. Norma At 09:44 AM 11/1/2005 -0800, you wrote: > Hello, List > I am beginning to research Nan Cochran Robeson. What I > know is that Nan Cochran was born in Butler County and graduated from > Hamilton High School in 1896. It appears that she married Charles > Robeson between 1910 and 1920. They lived in Hanover in the 1930 Census - > no children. The last record of her being alive was in 1946 for her 50th > high school reunion in Hamilton. I strongly suspect she was Catholic. > This is all I can verify. I can't find census records > which show her as a single woman. I don't know her date of death. Can > anyone advise me how to find a marriage record and death record for > her? And where is Hanover? I need to find any family she may have had > and try to contact them if they still live in Butler > County. Thank you. Kathleen Dewey > > > > > > >==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html

Kathleen The WWl Draft registration card has a Charles Plinay Robeson born May 28, 1880 living on R 5 in Butler County Ohio with his wife Nan B Robeson. The card lists his occupation as telegraph operator. It says that he had gray eyes and brown hair and that he lost his left arm. Sandi in Orlando -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Dewey [mailto:kdewey@sbceo.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:44 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Nan Cochran Robeson Hello, List I am beginning to research Nan Cochran Robeson. What I know is that Nan Cochran was born in Butler County and graduated from Hamilton High School in 1896. It appears that she married Charles Robeson between 1910 and 1920. They lived in Hanover in the 1930 Census - no children. The last record of her being alive was in 1946 for her 50th high school reunion in Hamilton. I strongly suspect she was Catholic. This is all I can verify. I can't find census records which show her as a single woman. I don't know her date of death. Can anyone advise me how to find a marriage record and death record for her? And where is Hanover? I need to find any family she may have had and try to contact them if they still live in Butler County. Thank you. Kathleen Dewey ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html

Database: Ohio Deaths, 1958-2000 November 1, 2005 2:02 PM Name: Nan B Robeson Age at Death: 83 Date of Death: 17 Sep 1961 City of Death: Hamilton County of Death: Butler Volume: 16630 Certificate: 60907 Date of Birth: Est. 1878 Gender: Female Marital Status: Widowed Race: White County of Residence: Butler State of Residence: Ohio Country of Residence: United States Hospital of Death: Mercy Hospital North Certifier: Physician Autopsy: Yes, not used for certification -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Dewey [mailto:kdewey@sbceo.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:44 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Nan Cochran Robeson Hello, List I am beginning to research Nan Cochran Robeson. What I know is that Nan Cochran was born in Butler County and graduated from Hamilton High School in 1896. It appears that she married Charles Robeson between 1910 and 1920. They lived in Hanover in the 1930 Census - no children. The last record of her being alive was in 1946 for her 50th high school reunion in Hamilton. I strongly suspect she was Catholic. This is all I can verify. I can't find census records which show her as a single woman. I don't know her date of death. Can anyone advise me how to find a marriage record and death record for her? And where is Hanover? I need to find any family she may have had and try to contact them if they still live in Butler County. Thank you. Kathleen Dewey ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html

I have an old business card that was in my grandfather's belongings. It's for a Phil Rothenbush, Capt. Co. I, 35th O.V.I. Note at the top reads: Lincoln's 1st Call, 3rd Ohio. Bottom reads: Hamilton Ohio. There is a photo of him on the card. If the website administrator would like to have a scan of this for the site, I'll do that, but if there is also a family member that would like this card, I'd be happy to mail it after scanning. Shirley Pearson Muncie, IN

Thank you, thank you. The death and WWI information is so helpful. Kathleen Bob Kneer wrote: >Database: Ohio Deaths, 1958-2000 > > November 1, 2005 >2:02 PM > >Name: Nan B Robeson >Age at Death: 83 >Date of Death: 17 Sep 1961 >City of Death: Hamilton >County of Death: Butler >Volume: 16630 >Certificate: 60907 > >Date of Birth: Est. 1878 > >Gender: Female >Marital Status: Widowed >Race: White > >County of Residence: Butler >State of Residence: Ohio >Country of Residence: United States > >Hospital of Death: Mercy Hospital North >Certifier: Physician >Autopsy: Yes, not used for certification > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kathleen Dewey [mailto:kdewey@sbceo.org] >Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:44 PM >To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Nan Cochran Robeson > > Hello, List > I am beginning to research Nan Cochran Robeson. What I >know is that Nan Cochran was born in Butler County and graduated from >Hamilton High School in 1896. It appears that she married Charles >Robeson between 1910 and 1920. They lived in Hanover in the 1930 Census >- no children. The last record of her being alive was in 1946 for her >50th high school reunion in Hamilton. I strongly suspect she was >Catholic. > This is all I can verify. I can't find census >records which show her as a single woman. I don't know her date of >death. Can anyone advise me how to find a marriage record and death >record for her? And where is Hanover? I need to find any family she >may have had and try to contact them if they still live in Butler >County. > Thank you. Kathleen Dewey > > > > > > >==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html > > >==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ >http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER > > >

Hello, List I am beginning to research Nan Cochran Robeson. What I know is that Nan Cochran was born in Butler County and graduated from Hamilton High School in 1896. It appears that she married Charles Robeson between 1910 and 1920. They lived in Hanover in the 1930 Census - no children. The last record of her being alive was in 1946 for her 50th high school reunion in Hamilton. I strongly suspect she was Catholic. This is all I can verify. I can't find census records which show her as a single woman. I don't know her date of death. Can anyone advise me how to find a marriage record and death record for her? And where is Hanover? I need to find any family she may have had and try to contact them if they still live in Butler County. Thank you. Kathleen Dewey

I'm not sure if you can learn it. I would contact the association mentioned in the news article and ask them. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "unicorn1945" <unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Grave dowsing Can this be learned? ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Kantzer To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Grave dowsing My sister does this quite a bit. She does it well enough that a company is Australia paid her to go to Australia to locate some graves before they started construction. She also does water "witching" but won't let you call it witching. She has another name for it. She also is able to locate foundations for a former house. She can locate where windows, doorways and inside walls would have been located. Pat ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Butler County American History & Genealogy Project http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler

My sister does this quite a bit. She does it well enough that a company is Australia paid her to go to Australia to locate some graves before they started construction. She also does water "witching" but won't let you call it witching. She has another name for it. She also is able to locate foundations for a former house. She can locate where windows, doorways and inside walls would have been located. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <memawphd@comcast.net> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Grave dowsing In support of "dowsing".......one time when I was pregnant and teaching, the kids tried to find out the gender of the baby by holding a needle and thead suspended over my wrist.....supposed to swing one way for a boy and the other way for a girl.......the needle repeatedly went round in circcles over my wrist........I had twiins.........a boy and a girl..........makes you wonder!! -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > There an article in the Cincinnati Enquirer today on grave dowsing and Tom > Stander of the Butler Co. Hist. Soc. > > > > http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051031/LIFE/510310313 > > Norma > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Butler County Archives and Records Center - http://www.butlercountyohio.org/records/