In a message dated 4/21/2006 1:43:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clcrawford@fuse.net writes: Hello List I am hoping someone in a legal capacity can help me with a question on Nursing Home Records in Butler County. Several yeas ago there was a Judge who told me if the nursing home was privately owned they could give me information if they wanted to but state or government run homes were different and had a different set of laws to follow. Here is my problem, I had a great, great Aunt who was in a nursing home in Butler County, OH. She died in 1994. She never knew any of her family, she had been in institutions for her entire life. My mother never even knew she existed until we started the genealogy hunt together and found her birth record and some other records to show us that she belonged to our family. That was in 1996. We went to this nursing home the lady pulled the records out and let me see that they had them, the file was probably 8 inches thick. She wouldn't give me any information out of them. My Aunt never married, she had epilepsy and they thought she was crazy and she lived in the Orient in Columbus and in many foster care homes until she was placed in this nursing home when the Orient closed down. Now she was the youngest of this family besides a brother. My grandmother and 3 other sisters and the boy were all put in orphans homes in 1906 when their father died. Now my mother would be the niece of this lady and my mother and all her siblings are gone. My grandmother always wanted to find all her siblings she found the 3 sisters but never found the brother. I have since found where he went. He was sent to WV to a family there. Now I know the records for my Aunt in this nursing home will give me answers to a lot of questions because I have also talked with one family that they would let her visit in Columbus. I need to know if there is a legal way to be able to see these records? There is no one left but me to care. If the boy were still alive he would be 106 years old. All siblings have died, she never married, there are no children of hers, my mother's entire family are gone. I don't see how Hippa Privacy can come into play since I have asked many times since 1996 for the information. So I am hoping someone can tell me how I can legally get information for genealogical purposes only and to fulfill a wish of my grandmother of finding all siblings. Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give. Cindy Dear Cindy, This is probably not a HIPAA issue, since that law was not in effect when the records were created. Rather, I believe that it is more of a misplaced concern over liability, unwillingness to read through such a think file, or maybe an reluctance to admit that they have lost track of the records. While the suggestion of providing the nursing home with a signed release may be sound, I would suggest that it be signed by all known relatives. This would probably be more likely to get the result you are seeking. You don't mention any religious affiliation for any of the nursing homes. In my experience, the Roman Catholic Church is even more of a brick wall. I wrote to a Catholic cemetery in New York where several of my wife's family are buried, asking about interment records, and was told that only the Archbishop had the authority to release those records. The problem was that there were just names -- no dates -- on a common tombstone. I guess there are still people around who believe that the dead still have privacy rights! Wilson DeCamp Leesburg, VA

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:11:01 -0400, "Cindy Crawford" <clcrawford@fuse.net> wrote: >His death cert says born in Ohio >but they couldn't even get his name spelled right so how can I know birth >state is right? How old was he when he died? -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

Hi Dennis, No, he lived in Cincinnati from 1890 until he died in 1906. I don't really have any idea when or where he was born. His death cert says born in Ohio but they couldn't even get his name spelled right so how can I know birth state is right? His name on death cert is Frank EDDIE...his name was Francis Marion EDDY. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Kowallek [mailto:kowallek@iglou.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:46 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:38:18 -0400, "Cindy Crawford" <clcrawford@fuse.net> wrote: >He lived from 1890 to 1906 when he died in Cincinnati. Is this correct? -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ****************** ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Butler County Archives and Records Center - http://www.butlercountyohio.org/records/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:38:18 -0400, "Cindy Crawford" <clcrawford@fuse.net> wrote: >He lived from 1890 to 1906 when he died in Cincinnati. Is this correct? -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

Oh yes, I have been doing genealogy for over 15 years and working on this family of mine. I have Ancestry.com and many things at home but the wall is there and I know the answers are there also in those files. This is one tough nut to crack but I can't give up. My dream is to find who the family of my great grandfather Francis Marion EDDY is. He lived from 1890 to 1906 when he died in Cincinnati. Death cert gives no information and spells his name wrong because the hospital personnel has filled it out not family. He appears on no census but he is in the Cincinnati directories. I have covered just about all I can cover on him and I know the answers to him and his son Isaac lie in those nursing home records that I can't get. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Siders [mailto:jsiders@ameritech.net] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:52 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question Cindy, Very sorry in all your lose. But please do not give up. Because you will get answers. Do you have a library card from the library from your local library, to where you have free access to census and other ways to help in your research? I use mine a lot and have really got answers that way. Do Not Give Up Lisa Cindy Crawford <clcrawford@fuse.net> wrote: Hi Lisa First, my mother died of breast cancer, my little sister was 46 and she died of ovarian cancer and my brother was 51 and he died of pancreatic cancer. My sister had lost her only daughter who was 15 just two years before she died, her daughter died in a car accident in Brookville, Indiana first time she had ever been allowed to ride with anyone other than family and they were going 1 mile to sell year book ads and the little driver and my niece were killed instantly when she pulled out in front of a semi truck. The little girl in the front passenger seat was barely injured. My sister went down hill and ended up with ovarian cancer. We worked on this Alena problem before she died...I kind of gave up because of losing my family but now I still want to find their proper place in my life just as my sister and my mom use to do. We had such fun tracking our family and when we found out about Alena we gave it our all until the tragedies of losing one family member after the other. Anyway, I made the first call to the probate office in Butler County. The man said it is almost impossible to get information from a nursing home because of the medical information that would be in the file. He said I might get a civil action to allow me to look at them. I don't want medical..I want names and dates. I think I may have found a connection to this great Aunt as her father (my great grandfather) is buried in Cincinnati in an unmarked grave in the Wesleyan Cemetery, cemetery with so many problems and on the news a lot. We knew so little of him and now I think I may have found his parents and I just know the answer I need will be in Alena's records in the nursing home. I am going to go there tomorrow in hopes someone will listen to me. I wouldn't care if they go through them page by page while I sit across the room and give me names and dates. I have seen the file, it is HUGH and I just know there will be answers to her parents and grandparents and siblings that is all I want from this. -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Siders [mailto:jsiders@ameritech.net] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:14 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question Cindy, Sorry about the death of your mother and sister. May I ask what type of cancer they had. Cindy here is the other BRICKWALL "PRIVACY ACT", but when you call the Probate Court, just ask them you have a problem in getting information about your G Aunt and explain the problem and then ask them where to direct you for the answer to your guestion. I know you'll need proper affidavit. But surely there will be someone to direct you to where ever you should go. Course sometimes you get a hold of someone who does not care meaning does not know where to send people, there ashamed of not knowing or willing to help you period. Please do not get discouraged, Judges and attorinies do not take the time to help with the genealogical questions. But proper identification and correct paper work should beable to get you some answers. Again please let me know what you have found out, this is a good learning tool for other genealogists. Lisa Cindy Crawford wrote: Hello List Thanks for the replies. I did use an attorney several years ago to write them a letter. They never even answered. I just don't understand why they won't help. Almost feel like something is being hid. I just know my answers are in there. It kills me because my mom and my sister went with me to the nursing home and since then I lost my mom, and my sister and a brother within 6 weeks of each other to cancer. There is no one left of this family except myself and a couple of cousins who are also interested. I will try the Probate office in Butler County..that sounds like a good idea. Like I said, I did talk to a Judge of Butler years ago and he told me that the home being Private they could give me the information. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Dewey [mailto:kdewey@sbceo.org] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:41 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question I am really touched by this. I certanly pray something shakes out for you. Perhaps you could sign a release? One of the things they must be concerned about is liability. Maybe try a local Legal Attorney Service that could direct you to someone. Where I live they call it the Lawyer Referral Service. They might pay more attention to a letter from a lawyer, perhaps accompanied by a signed release. Keep at it. Kathleen Cindy Crawford wrote: >Hello List > >I am hoping someone in a legal capacity can help me with a question on >Nursing Home Records in Butler County. Several yeas ago there was a Judge >who told me if the nursing home was privately owned they could give me >information if they wanted to but state or government run homes were >different and had a different set of laws to follow. > > > >Here is my problem, I had a great, great Aunt who was in a nursing home in >Butler County, OH. She died in 1994. She never knew any of her family, >she had been in institutions for her entire life. My mother never even knew >she existed until we started the genealogy hunt together and found her birth >record and some other records to show us that she belonged to our family. >That was in 1996. We went to this nursing home the lady pulled the records >out and let me see that they had them, the file was probably 8 inches thick. >She wouldn’t give me any information out of them. My Aunt never married, >she had epilepsy and they thought she was crazy and she lived in the Orient >in Columbus and in many foster care homes until she was placed in this >nursing home when the Orient closed down. Now she was the youngest of this >family besides a brother. My grandmother and 3 other sisters and the boy >were all put in orphans homes in 1906 when their father died. Now my mother >would be the niece of this lady and my mother and all her siblings are gone. >My grandmother always wanted to find all her siblings she found the 3 >sisters but never found the brother. I have since found where he went. He >was sent to WV to a family there. Now I know the records for my Aunt in >this nursing home will give me answers to a lot of questions because I have >also talked with one family that they would let her visit in Columbus. > > > >I need to know if there is a legal way to be able to see these records? >There is no one left but me to care. If the boy were still alive he would >be 106 years old. All siblings have died, she never married, there are no >children of hers, my mother’s entire family are gone. I don’t see how Hippa >Privacy can come into play since I have asked many times since 1996 for the >information. So I am hoping someone can tell me how I can legally get >information for genealogical purposes only and to fulfill a wish of my >grandmother of finding all siblings. > > > >Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give. > > > >Cindy > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for Butler County family names ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006

Hi Lisa First, my mother died of breast cancer, my little sister was 46 and she died of ovarian cancer and my brother was 51 and he died of pancreatic cancer. My sister had lost her only daughter who was 15 just two years before she died, her daughter died in a car accident in Brookville, Indiana first time she had ever been allowed to ride with anyone other than family and they were going 1 mile to sell year book ads and the little driver and my niece were killed instantly when she pulled out in front of a semi truck. The little girl in the front passenger seat was barely injured. My sister went down hill and ended up with ovarian cancer. We worked on this Alena problem before she died...I kind of gave up because of losing my family but now I still want to find their proper place in my life just as my sister and my mom use to do. We had such fun tracking our family and when we found out about Alena we gave it our all until the tragedies of losing one family member after the other. Anyway, I made the first call to the probate office in Butler County. The man said it is almost impossible to get information from a nursing home because of the medical information that would be in the file. He said I might get a civil action to allow me to look at them. I don't want medical..I want names and dates. I think I may have found a connection to this great Aunt as her father (my great grandfather) is buried in Cincinnati in an unmarked grave in the Wesleyan Cemetery, cemetery with so many problems and on the news a lot. We knew so little of him and now I think I may have found his parents and I just know the answer I need will be in Alena's records in the nursing home. I am going to go there tomorrow in hopes someone will listen to me. I wouldn't care if they go through them page by page while I sit across the room and give me names and dates. I have seen the file, it is HUGH and I just know there will be answers to her parents and grandparents and siblings that is all I want from this. -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Siders [mailto:jsiders@ameritech.net] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:14 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question Cindy, Sorry about the death of your mother and sister. May I ask what type of cancer they had. Cindy here is the other BRICKWALL "PRIVACY ACT", but when you call the Probate Court, just ask them you have a problem in getting information about your G Aunt and explain the problem and then ask them where to direct you for the answer to your guestion. I know you'll need proper affidavit. But surely there will be someone to direct you to where ever you should go. Course sometimes you get a hold of someone who does not care meaning does not know where to send people, there ashamed of not knowing or willing to help you period. Please do not get discouraged, Judges and attorinies do not take the time to help with the genealogical questions. But proper identification and correct paper work should beable to get you some answers. Again please let me know what you have found out, this is a good learning tool for other genealogists. Lisa Cindy Crawford <clcrawford@fuse.net> wrote: Hello List Thanks for the replies. I did use an attorney several years ago to write them a letter. They never even answered. I just don't understand why they won't help. Almost feel like something is being hid. I just know my answers are in there. It kills me because my mom and my sister went with me to the nursing home and since then I lost my mom, and my sister and a brother within 6 weeks of each other to cancer. There is no one left of this family except myself and a couple of cousins who are also interested. I will try the Probate office in Butler County..that sounds like a good idea. Like I said, I did talk to a Judge of Butler years ago and he told me that the home being Private they could give me the information. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Dewey [mailto:kdewey@sbceo.org] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:41 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question I am really touched by this. I certanly pray something shakes out for you. Perhaps you could sign a release? One of the things they must be concerned about is liability. Maybe try a local Legal Attorney Service that could direct you to someone. Where I live they call it the Lawyer Referral Service. They might pay more attention to a letter from a lawyer, perhaps accompanied by a signed release. Keep at it. Kathleen Cindy Crawford wrote: >Hello List > >I am hoping someone in a legal capacity can help me with a question on >Nursing Home Records in Butler County. Several yeas ago there was a Judge >who told me if the nursing home was privately owned they could give me >information if they wanted to but state or government run homes were >different and had a different set of laws to follow. > > > >Here is my problem, I had a great, great Aunt who was in a nursing home in >Butler County, OH. She died in 1994. She never knew any of her family, >she had been in institutions for her entire life. My mother never even knew >she existed until we started the genealogy hunt together and found her birth >record and some other records to show us that she belonged to our family. >That was in 1996. We went to this nursing home the lady pulled the records >out and let me see that they had them, the file was probably 8 inches thick. >She wouldn’t give me any information out of them. My Aunt never married, >she had epilepsy and they thought she was crazy and she lived in the Orient >in Columbus and in many foster care homes until she was placed in this >nursing home when the Orient closed down. Now she was the youngest of this >family besides a brother. My grandmother and 3 other sisters and the boy >were all put in orphans homes in 1906 when their father died. Now my mother >would be the niece of this lady and my mother and all her siblings are gone. >My grandmother always wanted to find all her siblings she found the 3 >sisters but never found the brother. I have since found where he went. He >was sent to WV to a family there. Now I know the records for my Aunt in >this nursing home will give me answers to a lot of questions because I have >also talked with one family that they would let her visit in Columbus. > > > >I need to know if there is a legal way to be able to see these records? >There is no one left but me to care. If the boy were still alive he would >be 106 years old. All siblings have died, she never married, there are no >children of hers, my mother’s entire family are gone. I don’t see how Hippa >Privacy can come into play since I have asked many times since 1996 for the >information. So I am hoping someone can tell me how I can legally get >information for genealogical purposes only and to fulfill a wish of my >grandmother of finding all siblings. > > > >Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give. > > > >Cindy > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for Butler County family names ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006

Hello List Thanks for the replies. I did use an attorney several years ago to write them a letter. They never even answered. I just don't understand why they won't help. Almost feel like something is being hid. I just know my answers are in there. It kills me because my mom and my sister went with me to the nursing home and since then I lost my mom, and my sister and a brother within 6 weeks of each other to cancer. There is no one left of this family except myself and a couple of cousins who are also interested. I will try the Probate office in Butler County..that sounds like a good idea. Like I said, I did talk to a Judge of Butler years ago and he told me that the home being Private they could give me the information. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Dewey [mailto:kdewey@sbceo.org] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:41 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question I am really touched by this. I certanly pray something shakes out for you. Perhaps you could sign a release? One of the things they must be concerned about is liability. Maybe try a local Legal Attorney Service that could direct you to someone. Where I live they call it the Lawyer Referral Service. They might pay more attention to a letter from a lawyer, perhaps accompanied by a signed release. Keep at it. Kathleen Cindy Crawford wrote: >Hello List > >I am hoping someone in a legal capacity can help me with a question on >Nursing Home Records in Butler County. Several yeas ago there was a Judge >who told me if the nursing home was privately owned they could give me >information if they wanted to but state or government run homes were >different and had a different set of laws to follow. > > > >Here is my problem, I had a great, great Aunt who was in a nursing home in >Butler County, OH. She died in 1994. She never knew any of her family, >she had been in institutions for her entire life. My mother never even knew >she existed until we started the genealogy hunt together and found her birth >record and some other records to show us that she belonged to our family. >That was in 1996. We went to this nursing home the lady pulled the records >out and let me see that they had them, the file was probably 8 inches thick. >She wouldn’t give me any information out of them. My Aunt never married, >she had epilepsy and they thought she was crazy and she lived in the Orient >in Columbus and in many foster care homes until she was placed in this >nursing home when the Orient closed down. Now she was the youngest of this >family besides a brother. My grandmother and 3 other sisters and the boy >were all put in orphans homes in 1906 when their father died. Now my mother >would be the niece of this lady and my mother and all her siblings are gone. >My grandmother always wanted to find all her siblings she found the 3 >sisters but never found the brother. I have since found where he went. He >was sent to WV to a family there. Now I know the records for my Aunt in >this nursing home will give me answers to a lot of questions because I have >also talked with one family that they would let her visit in Columbus. > > > >I need to know if there is a legal way to be able to see these records? >There is no one left but me to care. If the boy were still alive he would >be 106 years old. All siblings have died, she never married, there are no >children of hers, my mother’s entire family are gone. I don’t see how Hippa >Privacy can come into play since I have asked many times since 1996 for the >information. So I am hoping someone can tell me how I can legally get >information for genealogical purposes only and to fulfill a wish of my >grandmother of finding all siblings. > > > >Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give. > > > >Cindy > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for Butler County family names ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006

Cindy one thing matter a fact several things I have found out, that true names (1st names) was not correct, on many documents, like death certificates and headstones, census and so on many people used their nickname on all mentioned documents and so forth. I have incountered all above and I have been research for only 6 years and 6 months and TALK ABOUT "BRICKWALLS" I have ran across many in that length of time but I also have had much much help to KNOCK DOWN THE WALL. So good luck and Happy Hunting Cindy, you will knock down that brickwall soon I mean very soon. Lisa Cindy Crawford <clcrawford@fuse.net> wrote: Oh yes, I have been doing genealogy for over 15 years and working on this family of mine. I have Ancestry.com and many things at home but the wall is there and I know the answers are there also in those files. This is one tough nut to crack but I can't give up. My dream is to find who the family of my great grandfather Francis Marion EDDY is. He lived from 1890 to 1906 when he died in Cincinnati. Death cert gives no information and spells his name wrong because the hospital personnel has filled it out not family. He appears on no census but he is in the Cincinnati directories. I have covered just about all I can cover on him and I know the answers to him and his son Isaac lie in those nursing home records that I can't get. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Siders [mailto:jsiders@ameritech.net] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:52 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question Cindy, Very sorry in all your lose. But please do not give up. Because you will get answers. Do you have a library card from the library from your local library, to where you have free access to census and other ways to help in your research? I use mine a lot and have really got answers that way. Do Not Give Up Lisa Cindy Crawford wrote: Hi Lisa First, my mother died of breast cancer, my little sister was 46 and she died of ovarian cancer and my brother was 51 and he died of pancreatic cancer. My sister had lost her only daughter who was 15 just two years before she died, her daughter died in a car accident in Brookville, Indiana first time she had ever been allowed to ride with anyone other than family and they were going 1 mile to sell year book ads and the little driver and my niece were killed instantly when she pulled out in front of a semi truck. The little girl in the front passenger seat was barely injured. My sister went down hill and ended up with ovarian cancer. We worked on this Alena problem before she died...I kind of gave up because of losing my family but now I still want to find their proper place in my life just as my sister and my mom use to do. We had such fun tracking our family and when we found out about Alena we gave it our all until the tragedies of losing one family member after the other. Anyway, I made the first call to the probate office in Butler County. The man said it is almost impossible to get information from a nursing home because of the medical information that would be in the file. He said I might get a civil action to allow me to look at them. I don't want medical..I want names and dates. I think I may have found a connection to this great Aunt as her father (my great grandfather) is buried in Cincinnati in an unmarked grave in the Wesleyan Cemetery, cemetery with so many problems and on the news a lot. We knew so little of him and now I think I may have found his parents and I just know the answer I need will be in Alena's records in the nursing home. I am going to go there tomorrow in hopes someone will listen to me. I wouldn't care if they go through them page by page while I sit across the room and give me names and dates. I have seen the file, it is HUGH and I just know there will be answers to her parents and grandparents and siblings that is all I want from this. -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Siders [mailto:jsiders@ameritech.net] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:14 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question Cindy, Sorry about the death of your mother and sister. May I ask what type of cancer they had. Cindy here is the other BRICKWALL "PRIVACY ACT", but when you call the Probate Court, just ask them you have a problem in getting information about your G Aunt and explain the problem and then ask them where to direct you for the answer to your guestion. I know you'll need proper affidavit. But surely there will be someone to direct you to where ever you should go. Course sometimes you get a hold of someone who does not care meaning does not know where to send people, there ashamed of not knowing or willing to help you period. Please do not get discouraged, Judges and attorinies do not take the time to help with the genealogical questions. But proper identification and correct paper work should beable to get you some answers. Again please let me know what you have found out, this is a good learning tool for other genealogists. Lisa Cindy Crawford wrote: Hello List Thanks for the replies. I did use an attorney several years ago to write them a letter. They never even answered. I just don't understand why they won't help. Almost feel like something is being hid. I just know my answers are in there. It kills me because my mom and my sister went with me to the nursing home and since then I lost my mom, and my sister and a brother within 6 weeks of each other to cancer. There is no one left of this family except myself and a couple of cousins who are also interested. I will try the Probate office in Butler County..that sounds like a good idea. Like I said, I did talk to a Judge of Butler years ago and he told me that the home being Private they could give me the information. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Dewey [mailto:kdewey@sbceo.org] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:41 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question I am really touched by this. I certanly pray something shakes out for you. Perhaps you could sign a release? One of the things they must be concerned about is liability. Maybe try a local Legal Attorney Service that could direct you to someone. Where I live they call it the Lawyer Referral Service. They might pay more attention to a letter from a lawyer, perhaps accompanied by a signed release. Keep at it. Kathleen Cindy Crawford wrote: >Hello List > >I am hoping someone in a legal capacity can help me with a question on >Nursing Home Records in Butler County. Several yeas ago there was a Judge >who told me if the nursing home was privately owned they could give me >information if they wanted to but state or government run homes were >different and had a different set of laws to follow. > > > >Here is my problem, I had a great, great Aunt who was in a nursing home in >Butler County, OH. She died in 1994. She never knew any of her family, >she had been in institutions for her entire life. My mother never even knew >she existed until we started the genealogy hunt together and found her birth >record and some other records to show us that she belonged to our family. >That was in 1996. We went to this nursing home the lady pulled the records >out and let me see that they had them, the file was probably 8 inches thick. >She wouldn’t give me any information out of them. My Aunt never married, >she had epilepsy and they thought she was crazy and she lived in the Orient >in Columbus and in many foster care homes until she was placed in this >nursing home when the Orient closed down. Now she was the youngest of this >family besides a brother. My grandmother and 3 other sisters and the boy >were all put in orphans homes in 1906 when their father died. Now my mother >would be the niece of this lady and my mother and all her siblings are gone. >My grandmother always wanted to find all her siblings she found the 3 >sisters but never found the brother. I have since found where he went. He >was sent to WV to a family there. Now I know the records for my Aunt in >this nursing home will give me answers to a lot of questions because I have >also talked with one family that they would let her visit in Columbus. > > > >I need to know if there is a legal way to be able to see these records? >There is no one left but me to care. If the boy were still alive he would >be 106 years old. All siblings have died, she never married, there are no >children of hers, my mother’s entire family are gone. I don’t see how Hippa >Privacy can come into play since I have asked many times since 1996 for the >information. So I am hoping someone can tell me how I can legally get >information for genealogical purposes only and to fulfill a wish of my >grandmother of finding all siblings. > > > >Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give. > > > >Cindy > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for Butler County family names ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Butler County American History & Genealogy Project http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler

Hello List I am hoping someone in a legal capacity can help me with a question on Nursing Home Records in Butler County. Several yeas ago there was a Judge who told me if the nursing home was privately owned they could give me information if they wanted to but state or government run homes were different and had a different set of laws to follow. Here is my problem, I had a great, great Aunt who was in a nursing home in Butler County, OH. She died in 1994. She never knew any of her family, she had been in institutions for her entire life. My mother never even knew she existed until we started the genealogy hunt together and found her birth record and some other records to show us that she belonged to our family. That was in 1996. We went to this nursing home the lady pulled the records out and let me see that they had them, the file was probably 8 inches thick. She wouldn’t give me any information out of them. My Aunt never married, she had epilepsy and they thought she was crazy and she lived in the Orient in Columbus and in many foster care homes until she was placed in this nursing home when the Orient closed down. Now she was the youngest of this family besides a brother. My grandmother and 3 other sisters and the boy were all put in orphans homes in 1906 when their father died. Now my mother would be the niece of this lady and my mother and all her siblings are gone. My grandmother always wanted to find all her siblings she found the 3 sisters but never found the brother. I have since found where he went. He was sent to WV to a family there. Now I know the records for my Aunt in this nursing home will give me answers to a lot of questions because I have also talked with one family that they would let her visit in Columbus. I need to know if there is a legal way to be able to see these records? There is no one left but me to care. If the boy were still alive he would be 106 years old. All siblings have died, she never married, there are no children of hers, my mother’s entire family are gone. I don’t see how Hippa Privacy can come into play since I have asked many times since 1996 for the information. So I am hoping someone can tell me how I can legally get information for genealogical purposes only and to fulfill a wish of my grandmother of finding all siblings. Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give. Cindy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006

Cindy, Very sorry in all your lose. But please do not give up. Because you will get answers. Do you have a library card from the library from your local library, to where you have free access to census and other ways to help in your research? I use mine a lot and have really got answers that way. Do Not Give Up Lisa Cindy Crawford <clcrawford@fuse.net> wrote: Hi Lisa First, my mother died of breast cancer, my little sister was 46 and she died of ovarian cancer and my brother was 51 and he died of pancreatic cancer. My sister had lost her only daughter who was 15 just two years before she died, her daughter died in a car accident in Brookville, Indiana first time she had ever been allowed to ride with anyone other than family and they were going 1 mile to sell year book ads and the little driver and my niece were killed instantly when she pulled out in front of a semi truck. The little girl in the front passenger seat was barely injured. My sister went down hill and ended up with ovarian cancer. We worked on this Alena problem before she died...I kind of gave up because of losing my family but now I still want to find their proper place in my life just as my sister and my mom use to do. We had such fun tracking our family and when we found out about Alena we gave it our all until the tragedies of losing one family member after the other. Anyway, I made the first call to the probate office in Butler County. The man said it is almost impossible to get information from a nursing home because of the medical information that would be in the file. He said I might get a civil action to allow me to look at them. I don't want medical..I want names and dates. I think I may have found a connection to this great Aunt as her father (my great grandfather) is buried in Cincinnati in an unmarked grave in the Wesleyan Cemetery, cemetery with so many problems and on the news a lot. We knew so little of him and now I think I may have found his parents and I just know the answer I need will be in Alena's records in the nursing home. I am going to go there tomorrow in hopes someone will listen to me. I wouldn't care if they go through them page by page while I sit across the room and give me names and dates. I have seen the file, it is HUGH and I just know there will be answers to her parents and grandparents and siblings that is all I want from this. -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Siders [mailto:jsiders@ameritech.net] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:14 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question Cindy, Sorry about the death of your mother and sister. May I ask what type of cancer they had. Cindy here is the other BRICKWALL "PRIVACY ACT", but when you call the Probate Court, just ask them you have a problem in getting information about your G Aunt and explain the problem and then ask them where to direct you for the answer to your guestion. I know you'll need proper affidavit. But surely there will be someone to direct you to where ever you should go. Course sometimes you get a hold of someone who does not care meaning does not know where to send people, there ashamed of not knowing or willing to help you period. Please do not get discouraged, Judges and attorinies do not take the time to help with the genealogical questions. But proper identification and correct paper work should beable to get you some answers. Again please let me know what you have found out, this is a good learning tool for other genealogists. Lisa Cindy Crawford wrote: Hello List Thanks for the replies. I did use an attorney several years ago to write them a letter. They never even answered. I just don't understand why they won't help. Almost feel like something is being hid. I just know my answers are in there. It kills me because my mom and my sister went with me to the nursing home and since then I lost my mom, and my sister and a brother within 6 weeks of each other to cancer. There is no one left of this family except myself and a couple of cousins who are also interested. I will try the Probate office in Butler County..that sounds like a good idea. Like I said, I did talk to a Judge of Butler years ago and he told me that the home being Private they could give me the information. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Dewey [mailto:kdewey@sbceo.org] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:41 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question I am really touched by this. I certanly pray something shakes out for you. Perhaps you could sign a release? One of the things they must be concerned about is liability. Maybe try a local Legal Attorney Service that could direct you to someone. Where I live they call it the Lawyer Referral Service. They might pay more attention to a letter from a lawyer, perhaps accompanied by a signed release. Keep at it. Kathleen Cindy Crawford wrote: >Hello List > >I am hoping someone in a legal capacity can help me with a question on >Nursing Home Records in Butler County. Several yeas ago there was a Judge >who told me if the nursing home was privately owned they could give me >information if they wanted to but state or government run homes were >different and had a different set of laws to follow. > > > >Here is my problem, I had a great, great Aunt who was in a nursing home in >Butler County, OH. She died in 1994. She never knew any of her family, >she had been in institutions for her entire life. My mother never even knew >she existed until we started the genealogy hunt together and found her birth >record and some other records to show us that she belonged to our family. >That was in 1996. We went to this nursing home the lady pulled the records >out and let me see that they had them, the file was probably 8 inches thick. >She wouldn’t give me any information out of them. My Aunt never married, >she had epilepsy and they thought she was crazy and she lived in the Orient >in Columbus and in many foster care homes until she was placed in this >nursing home when the Orient closed down. Now she was the youngest of this >family besides a brother. My grandmother and 3 other sisters and the boy >were all put in orphans homes in 1906 when their father died. Now my mother >would be the niece of this lady and my mother and all her siblings are gone. >My grandmother always wanted to find all her siblings she found the 3 >sisters but never found the brother. I have since found where he went. He >was sent to WV to a family there. Now I know the records for my Aunt in >this nursing home will give me answers to a lot of questions because I have >also talked with one family that they would let her visit in Columbus. > > > >I need to know if there is a legal way to be able to see these records? >There is no one left but me to care. If the boy were still alive he would >be 106 years old. All siblings have died, she never married, there are no >children of hers, my mother’s entire family are gone. I don’t see how Hippa >Privacy can come into play since I have asked many times since 1996 for the >information. So I am hoping someone can tell me how I can legally get >information for genealogical purposes only and to fulfill a wish of my >grandmother of finding all siblings. > > > >Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give. > > > >Cindy > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for Butler County family names ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler

don't know how much will be gleaned, but you might try Linda Thompson, at Lane Public Library and Butler County Records (also of Southwest Ohio Genealogical Society). She might have an answer or two to your desired path. Being a foster kid myself, I understand your dilemmmma.....been there a time or two myself. Just don't give up. It has taken me 40 years to get to where I am, and I figure that I am only halfway through my search. Sometimes, going sideways seems to break open those brick walls that pop up at different intervals. Most attorneys aren't going to do something unless they get paid for it, and then, they can't guarantee results that will be satisfactory to you.....lots of prickly little problems crop up that nobody can overcome at the moment, but, given time and perserverance, things seem to eventually open up.......JUST DON'T GIVE UP. Lisa Siders <jsiders@ameritech.net> wrote: Cindy, Sorry about the death of your mother and sister. May I ask what type of cancer they had. Cindy here is the other BRICKWALL "PRIVACY ACT", but when you call the Probate Court, just ask them you have a problem in getting information about your G Aunt and explain the problem and then ask them where to direct you for the answer to your guestion. I know you'll need proper affidavit. But surely there will be someone to direct you to where ever you should go. Course sometimes you get a hold of someone who does not care meaning does not know where to send people, there ashamed of not knowing or willing to help you period. Please do not get discouraged, Judges and attorinies do not take the time to help with the genealogical questions. But proper identification and correct paper work should beable to get you some answers. Again please let me know what you have found out, this is a good learning tool for other genealogists. Lisa Cindy Crawford wrote: Hello List Thanks for the replies. I did use an attorney several years ago to write them a letter. They never even answered. I just don't understand why they won't help. Almost feel like something is being hid. I just know my answers are in there. It kills me because my mom and my sister went with me to the nursing home and since then I lost my mom, and my sister and a brother within 6 weeks of each other to cancer. There is no one left of this family except myself and a couple of cousins who are also interested. I will try the Probate office in Butler County..that sounds like a good idea. Like I said, I did talk to a Judge of Butler years ago and he told me that the home being Private they could give me the information. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Dewey [mailto:kdewey@sbceo.org] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:41 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question I am really touched by this. I certanly pray something shakes out for you. Perhaps you could sign a release? One of the things they must be concerned about is liability. Maybe try a local Legal Attorney Service that could direct you to someone. Where I live they call it the Lawyer Referral Service. They might pay more attention to a letter from a lawyer, perhaps accompanied by a signed release. Keep at it. Kathleen Cindy Crawford wrote: >Hello List > >I am hoping someone in a legal capacity can help me with a question on >Nursing Home Records in Butler County. Several yeas ago there was a Judge >who told me if the nursing home was privately owned they could give me >information if they wanted to but state or government run homes were >different and had a different set of laws to follow. > > > >Here is my problem, I had a great, great Aunt who was in a nursing home in >Butler County, OH. She died in 1994. She never knew any of her family, >she had been in institutions for her entire life. My mother never even knew >she existed until we started the genealogy hunt together and found her birth >record and some other records to show us that she belonged to our family. >That was in 1996. We went to this nursing home the lady pulled the records >out and let me see that they had them, the file was probably 8 inches thick. >She wouldn’t give me any information out of them. My Aunt never married, >she had epilepsy and they thought she was crazy and she lived in the Orient >in Columbus and in many foster care homes until she was placed in this >nursing home when the Orient closed down. Now she was the youngest of this >family besides a brother. My grandmother and 3 other sisters and the boy >were all put in orphans homes in 1906 when their father died. Now my mother >would be the niece of this lady and my mother and all her siblings are gone. >My grandmother always wanted to find all her siblings she found the 3 >sisters but never found the brother. I have since found where he went. He >was sent to WV to a family there. Now I know the records for my Aunt in >this nursing home will give me answers to a lot of questions because I have >also talked with one family that they would let her visit in Columbus. > > > >I need to know if there is a legal way to be able to see these records? >There is no one left but me to care. If the boy were still alive he would >be 106 years old. All siblings have died, she never married, there are no >children of hers, my mother’s entire family are gone. I don’t see how Hippa >Privacy can come into play since I have asked many times since 1996 for the >information. So I am hoping someone can tell me how I can legally get >information for genealogical purposes only and to fulfill a wish of my >grandmother of finding all siblings. > > > >Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give. > > > >Cindy > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for Butler County family names ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do)

Cindy, Sorry about the death of your mother and sister. May I ask what type of cancer they had. Cindy here is the other BRICKWALL "PRIVACY ACT", but when you call the Probate Court, just ask them you have a problem in getting information about your G Aunt and explain the problem and then ask them where to direct you for the answer to your guestion. I know you'll need proper affidavit. But surely there will be someone to direct you to where ever you should go. Course sometimes you get a hold of someone who does not care meaning does not know where to send people, there ashamed of not knowing or willing to help you period. Please do not get discouraged, Judges and attorinies do not take the time to help with the genealogical questions. But proper identification and correct paper work should beable to get you some answers. Again please let me know what you have found out, this is a good learning tool for other genealogists. Lisa Cindy Crawford <clcrawford@fuse.net> wrote: Hello List Thanks for the replies. I did use an attorney several years ago to write them a letter. They never even answered. I just don't understand why they won't help. Almost feel like something is being hid. I just know my answers are in there. It kills me because my mom and my sister went with me to the nursing home and since then I lost my mom, and my sister and a brother within 6 weeks of each other to cancer. There is no one left of this family except myself and a couple of cousins who are also interested. I will try the Probate office in Butler County..that sounds like a good idea. Like I said, I did talk to a Judge of Butler years ago and he told me that the home being Private they could give me the information. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Dewey [mailto:kdewey@sbceo.org] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:41 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Help with Nursing Home Question I am really touched by this. I certanly pray something shakes out for you. Perhaps you could sign a release? One of the things they must be concerned about is liability. Maybe try a local Legal Attorney Service that could direct you to someone. Where I live they call it the Lawyer Referral Service. They might pay more attention to a letter from a lawyer, perhaps accompanied by a signed release. Keep at it. Kathleen Cindy Crawford wrote: >Hello List > >I am hoping someone in a legal capacity can help me with a question on >Nursing Home Records in Butler County. Several yeas ago there was a Judge >who told me if the nursing home was privately owned they could give me >information if they wanted to but state or government run homes were >different and had a different set of laws to follow. > > > >Here is my problem, I had a great, great Aunt who was in a nursing home in >Butler County, OH. She died in 1994. She never knew any of her family, >she had been in institutions for her entire life. My mother never even knew >she existed until we started the genealogy hunt together and found her birth >record and some other records to show us that she belonged to our family. >That was in 1996. We went to this nursing home the lady pulled the records >out and let me see that they had them, the file was probably 8 inches thick. >She wouldn’t give me any information out of them. My Aunt never married, >she had epilepsy and they thought she was crazy and she lived in the Orient >in Columbus and in many foster care homes until she was placed in this >nursing home when the Orient closed down. Now she was the youngest of this >family besides a brother. My grandmother and 3 other sisters and the boy >were all put in orphans homes in 1906 when their father died. Now my mother >would be the niece of this lady and my mother and all her siblings are gone. >My grandmother always wanted to find all her siblings she found the 3 >sisters but never found the brother. I have since found where he went. He >was sent to WV to a family there. Now I know the records for my Aunt in >this nursing home will give me answers to a lot of questions because I have >also talked with one family that they would let her visit in Columbus. > > > >I need to know if there is a legal way to be able to see these records? >There is no one left but me to care. If the boy were still alive he would >be 106 years old. All siblings have died, she never married, there are no >children of hers, my mother’s entire family are gone. I don’t see how Hippa >Privacy can come into play since I have asked many times since 1996 for the >information. So I am hoping someone can tell me how I can legally get >information for genealogical purposes only and to fulfill a wish of my >grandmother of finding all siblings. > > > >Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give. > > > >Cindy > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for Butler County family names ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do)

I am really touched by this. I certanly pray something shakes out for you. Perhaps you could sign a release? One of the things they must be concerned about is liability. Maybe try a local Legal Attorney Service that could direct you to someone. Where I live they call it the Lawyer Referral Service. They might pay more attention to a letter from a lawyer, perhaps accompanied by a signed release. Keep at it. Kathleen Cindy Crawford wrote: >Hello List > >I am hoping someone in a legal capacity can help me with a question on >Nursing Home Records in Butler County. Several yeas ago there was a Judge >who told me if the nursing home was privately owned they could give me >information if they wanted to but state or government run homes were >different and had a different set of laws to follow. > > > >Here is my problem, I had a great, great Aunt who was in a nursing home in >Butler County, OH. She died in 1994. She never knew any of her family, >she had been in institutions for her entire life. My mother never even knew >she existed until we started the genealogy hunt together and found her birth >record and some other records to show us that she belonged to our family. >That was in 1996. We went to this nursing home the lady pulled the records >out and let me see that they had them, the file was probably 8 inches thick. >She wouldn’t give me any information out of them. My Aunt never married, >she had epilepsy and they thought she was crazy and she lived in the Orient >in Columbus and in many foster care homes until she was placed in this >nursing home when the Orient closed down. Now she was the youngest of this >family besides a brother. My grandmother and 3 other sisters and the boy >were all put in orphans homes in 1906 when their father died. Now my mother >would be the niece of this lady and my mother and all her siblings are gone. >My grandmother always wanted to find all her siblings she found the 3 >sisters but never found the brother. I have since found where he went. He >was sent to WV to a family there. Now I know the records for my Aunt in >this nursing home will give me answers to a lot of questions because I have >also talked with one family that they would let her visit in Columbus. > > > >I need to know if there is a legal way to be able to see these records? >There is no one left but me to care. If the boy were still alive he would >be 106 years old. All siblings have died, she never married, there are no >children of hers, my mother’s entire family are gone. I don’t see how Hippa >Privacy can come into play since I have asked many times since 1996 for the >information. So I am hoping someone can tell me how I can legally get >information for genealogical purposes only and to fulfill a wish of my >grandmother of finding all siblings. > > > >Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give. > > > >Cindy > > > >

Cindy, I am no attorney or legal person, but one who is like you hunting our family. Now have you called the admin. of the nursing facility? Or call the Probate Office in the county which in your case would be Butler County, Hamilton,Ohio. Here is the number to Butler County, Probate Office, ( 513-887-3294 ) if this is the main court house number they will direct you to Probate Court Office. But surley Probate Office should give you the correct way in handling this situation on your GG Aunt, since there is no close living live relative except your mother, let me know what you find out. Best Regards Lisa (Was born in Butler County, Ohio myself) Cindy Crawford <clcrawford@fuse.net> wrote: Hello List I am hoping someone in a legal capacity can help me with a question on Nursing Home Records in Butler County. Several yeas ago there was a Judge who told me if the nursing home was privately owned they could give me information if they wanted to but state or government run homes were different and had a different set of laws to follow. Here is my problem, I had a great, great Aunt who was in a nursing home in Butler County, OH. She died in 1994. She never knew any of her family, she had been in institutions for her entire life. My mother never even knew she existed until we started the genealogy hunt together and found her birth record and some other records to show us that she belonged to our family. That was in 1996. We went to this nursing home the lady pulled the records out and let me see that they had them, the file was probably 8 inches thick. She wouldn’t give me any information out of them. My Aunt never married, she had epilepsy and they thought she was crazy and she lived in the Orient in Columbus and in many foster care homes until she was placed in this nursing home when the Orient closed down. Now she was the youngest of this family besides a brother. My grandmother and 3 other sisters and the boy were all put in orphans homes in 1906 when their father died. Now my mother would be the niece of this lady and my mother and all her siblings are gone. My grandmother always wanted to find all her siblings she found the 3 sisters but never found the brother. I have since found where he went. He was sent to WV to a family there. Now I know the records for my Aunt in this nursing home will give me answers to a lot of questions because I have also talked with one family that they would let her visit in Columbus. I need to know if there is a legal way to be able to see these records? There is no one left but me to care. If the boy were still alive he would be 106 years old. All siblings have died, she never married, there are no children of hers, my mother’s entire family are gone. I don’t see how Hippa Privacy can come into play since I have asked many times since 1996 for the information. So I am hoping someone can tell me how I can legally get information for genealogical purposes only and to fulfill a wish of my grandmother of finding all siblings. Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give. Cindy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do)

Debbie, Thank you so very much. I really appreciate your help. John H Gardner was born in Hamilton, Ohio on April 28, 1910. He was the first child of John and Ida Gardner. He died in August 21, 1967. I believe he died in Cincinnati at the VA Hospital. His funeral was in Hamilton and he is buried at Greenwood Cemetery in the Military section. Sandi Deaton-Kneer Orlando, FL -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Freeman [mailto:songbird1950@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:50 AM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Obituary Look Up Hi Bob Kneer, My name is Debbie Freeman and I live in Middletown---Butler County. I can help you by looking up the obit for you. Do you know if John H. Gardner Jr. was born here or somewhere else? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kneer" <bkneer@worldnet.att.net> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Obituary Look Up >I was wondering if there is anyone in Butler County that would be able > to look up an obit for me. > > > > The name is John H Gardner Jr; He was born April 28, 1910 and died > August 21, 1967. He is buried in Greenwood Cemetery. > > > > Sandi Deaton-Kneer > > Orlando, FL > > > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do)

Hi Bob Kneer, My name is Debbie Freeman and I live in Middletown---Butler County. I can help you by looking up the obit for you. Do you know if John H. Gardner Jr. was born here or somewhere else? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kneer" <bkneer@worldnet.att.net> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Obituary Look Up >I was wondering if there is anyone in Butler County that would be able > to look up an obit for me. > > > > The name is John H Gardner Jr; He was born April 28, 1910 and died > August 21, 1967. He is buried in Greenwood Cemetery. > > > > Sandi Deaton-Kneer > > Orlando, FL > > > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) >

This link should be of help. www.lanepl.org Good luck. Sandi Orlando, FL -----Original Message----- From: kyphilpot@aol.com [mailto:kyphilpot@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:39 AM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Obits from 1943. Hi list, I am new to this list and am wondering if there is any records of obituaries from the 1940's. I am specifically looking for an obit for a James W. Coldiron who died in Hamilton, Butler Co., OH on October 22, 1943. I don't know if there is a record of this but I would appreciate any help. Thanks, Jerry Philpot. ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER

Just added a transcription of the will of Reuben George (1776-1837) at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vlwest/george/rg-will.htm Nancy Sween

Hi list, I am new to this list and am wondering if there is any records of obituaries from the 1940's. I am specifically looking for an obit for a James W. Coldiron who died in Hamilton, Butler Co., OH on October 22, 1943. I don't know if there is a record of this but I would appreciate any help. Thanks, Jerry Philpot.

Hello, My Internet service provider has been changed to PeoplePC Online and I have a new e-mail address. My new e-mail address is: davidkentcoy@peoplepc.com. Please use this e-mail address from now on. My old email address (davidkentcoy@mcleodusa.net) will not work after May 6, 2006. This was not my choice, but done by Mcleodusa.net. Sorry for any problems it may cause. I hope you are all well. David Kent Coy 123 North 20th Street Decatur, IL 62521-2114 (217) 420-4378 davidkentcoy@peoplepc.com