On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:52:13 -0400, "Janean Ray" <JRay38@neo.rr.com> wrote: >What would be the most likely cemetery for Morgan Twp? > >I'm interested in where my Skiles 4thggfather is buried. http://kowallek.myiglou.com/dennis/genealogy/butler-cemeteries.php?sort=t Scroll down to the Morgan Twp. cemeteries. It would help to know what section of the township he lived in. -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

What would be the most likely cemetery for Morgan Twp? I'm interested in where my Skiles 4thggfather is buried. Janean ----- Original Message ----- From: <Charlotteamiller@aol.com> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:54 AM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Millville Cemetery, Hamilton, Butler County, Ohio Photos > Hello, > > I added some new photos to my Millville Cemetery pages. The new ones are: > > John C. Asher > John C. & Ruth A. Asher > Maxine & Homer Blanton > Hubert Click > Hubert & Linda Click > Oscar & Virginia Wages > Back of Wages stone > Margaret & Richard York > Richard York > Thelma & Virgil York > > Here are the links: > > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/millville_cem > etery.htm_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/millville_cemeter y.htm) > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/millville_cemeter y_ > page_2.htm_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/millville_cemeter y_page_2.htm) > > > Love, > Charlotte > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html >

It is probably the State of Ohio Library in Columbus. A great place for genealogy. The other one is a local library. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Kowallek [mailto:kowallek@iglou.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:13 PM > To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] Library > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:00:38 -0400, "Janean Ray" <JRay38@neo.rr.com> > wrote: > > >I am wondering if anyone has had this happen or knows about it. > > > >I applied for a library card for the State Library in Columbus. > > > >Apparently in do so on line I must have made a typo or > something making > >the address not good. It was returned. I believe I was notified on > >email that it was returned and to contact the library. They said no > >way no how would they send it back out or let me reapply - > that I had > >to come down there to get it. Well that is fine and dandy > if I want to > >drive 2 hrs to pick up a library card (which I didn't) but > what about people from out of state? > > > >What is their problem? > > > >Anyone hear of this before? > > By "State Library" do you mean the Columbus Metropolitan Library? > > If so, I don't think people from out-of-state can get a card. > > Several months ago I received an email from them saying the > card they mailed me was expiring. I asked if I could renew > online and they said no ... I would have to renew in person > in Columbus. But the card still gets me into HeritageQuest. > Go figure... > > -- > > Dennis M. Kowallek > kowallek@iglou.com > > ****************** > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County OHGenWeb genealogy site ~ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler >

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:00:38 -0400, "Janean Ray" <JRay38@neo.rr.com> wrote: >I am wondering if anyone has had this happen or knows about it. > >I applied for a library card for the State Library in Columbus. > >Apparently in do so on line I must have made a typo or something making the >address not good. It was returned. I believe I was notified on email that >it was returned and to contact the library. They said no way no how would >they send it back out or let me reapply - that I had to come down there to >get it. Well that is fine and dandy if I want to drive 2 hrs to pick up a >library card (which I didn't) but what about people from out of state? > >What is their problem? > >Anyone hear of this before? By "State Library" do you mean the Columbus Metropolitan Library? If so, I don't think people from out-of-state can get a card. Several months ago I received an email from them saying the card they mailed me was expiring. I asked if I could renew online and they said no ... I would have to renew in person in Columbus. But the card still gets me into HeritageQuest. Go figure... -- Dennis M. Kowallek kowallek@iglou.com ******************

I am wondering if anyone has had this happen or knows about it. I applied for a library card for the State Library in Columbus. Apparently in do so on line I must have made a typo or something making the address not good. It was returned. I believe I was notified on email that it was returned and to contact the library. They said no way no how would they send it back out or let me reapply - that I had to come down there to get it. Well that is fine and dandy if I want to drive 2 hrs to pick up a library card (which I didn't) but what about people from out of state? What is their problem? Anyone hear of this before? Janean

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Hello, I added some more cemetery pictures to my website from Hamilton, Butler County, Ohio. From Greenwood Cemetery: Rev. Howard & Juanita Gilpin Edna C. Hibbard Walter Hibbard, Jr. Several views of a very unusual Ross Family stone Several Slade Family stones Wager Gustave & Margaret Wager Joseph G. Wager Philomena Wager Here is the link: _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/greenwood_cemetery. htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/greenwood_cemetery.htm) Rose Hill Cemetery stones added: Bud Bowling Harriet & Daniel Bowling Hibbard Pauline & Sam House Ralph & Eulean House Francis M. & Conrad B. Mainous Here is the link: _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/rose_hill_cemetery. htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/rose_hill_cemetery.htm) Here is the link to St. Stephen's Cemetery: _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/st_stephens_cemeter y.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/st_stephens_cemetery.htm) I added these stones from it: John Grieser Mary M. Grieser Adrian W. Holbrock Louise Holbrock William G. Holbrock Loraine Holbrock Shotts Thank you, Charlotte Miller

Hello, I added some new photos to my Millville Cemetery pages. The new ones are: John C. Asher John C. & Ruth A. Asher Maxine & Homer Blanton Hubert Click Hubert & Linda Click Oscar & Virginia Wages Back of Wages stone Margaret & Richard York Richard York Thelma & Virgil York Here are the links: _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/millville_cem etery.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/millville_cemetery.htm) _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/millville_cemetery_ page_2.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/millville_cemetery_page_2.htm) Love, Charlotte

Robert Craig added some of the Stroup cemetery data to the OHGenWeb site for Butler County, so I looked to see if you all were asking me to put a note on that site about the Stabler error. But so far as I could see, the Springhill Cemetery wasn't even included there. The only Stabler reference I found searching that Butler Co site was in the Memoirs book at _http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/memoirs/750-794.html_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/memoirs/750-794.html) but it was a John W. Stabler instead. If I'm wrong and need to change something, please let me know. Thanks. Nancy Sween http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler In a message dated 6/16/2006 11:05:49 AM Central Daylight Time, chuppi@cinci.rr.com writes: Marian Stabler Breiholz, Trenton, OH Thank- you for checking out the data on the website for Springhill Cemetery, Liberty Township, Butler County, OH. The only "Comprehensive" cemetery information on Butler County Cemeteries was done in the 1960's by Hazel Stroup et al. If more people put more information on Butler County Cemeteries online perhaps more errors would be corrected. Your help in updating the cemetery information may get more people to updating the cemetery listings in their neighborhood. You also may want to note that the "web master email" link, to me, might have been a more direct way to correct the information on the website. www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem/ Caroline Huppi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian" <marian1120@cinci.rr.com> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Springhill Cemetery > Caroline, While checking out the list of names of persons buried at > Springhill Cemetery, I found a mistake concerning my grandfather, Marion > Stabler, who was married to my grandmother Rosa B. Patterson Stabler. It > states at that site that Marion was married to Pearl Stabler which is > incorrect. How can I get that information corrected? > > Marian Stabler Breiholz > Trenton, OH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Caroline Huppi" <chuppi@cinci.rr.com> > To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:26 PM > Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Woodmansee Workday reminder > > > > Hi All- > > > > We're back at the cemetery Saturday. I've updated the website with the > > new finds. Isabella Kirk, wife of John Kirk was a great find for the I K > > footstone. We should be able to glue together more of the small stones. > > > > The weather should be getting warmer so don't forget the water. I'm also > > finding Poison Ivy starts so be prepared. > > > > Perhaps Jacob Griffis' tombstone will get out of the hole he's in. > > > > Look forward to seeing all who make it. Enjoy the wedding for all those > > party goers. > > > > Caroline > > www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem Liberty Township Then Woodmansee.... > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > > OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > > >

Marian Stabler Breiholz, Trenton, OH Thank- you for checking out the data on the website for Springhill Cemetery, Liberty Township, Butler County, OH. The only "Comprehensive" cemetery information on Butler County Cemeteries was done in the 1960's by Hazel Stroup et al. If more people put more information on Butler County Cemeteries online perhaps more errors would be corrected. Your help in updating the cemetery information may get more people to updating the cemetery listings in their neighborhood. You also may want to note that the "web master email" link, to me, might have been a more direct way to correct the information on the website. www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem/ Caroline Huppi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian" <marian1120@cinci.rr.com> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Springhill Cemetery > Caroline, While checking out the list of names of persons buried at > Springhill Cemetery, I found a mistake concerning my grandfather, Marion > Stabler, who was married to my grandmother Rosa B. Patterson Stabler. It > states at that site that Marion was married to Pearl Stabler which is > incorrect. How can I get that information corrected? > > Marian Stabler Breiholz > Trenton, OH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Caroline Huppi" <chuppi@cinci.rr.com> > To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:26 PM > Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Woodmansee Workday reminder > > > > Hi All- > > > > We're back at the cemetery Saturday. I've updated the website with the > > new finds. Isabella Kirk, wife of John Kirk was a great find for the I K > > footstone. We should be able to glue together more of the small stones. > > > > The weather should be getting warmer so don't forget the water. I'm also > > finding Poison Ivy starts so be prepared. > > > > Perhaps Jacob Griffis' tombstone will get out of the hole he's in. > > > > Look forward to seeing all who make it. Enjoy the wedding for all those > > party goers. > > > > Caroline > > www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem Liberty Township Then Woodmansee.... > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > > OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER

Caroline, While checking out the list of names of persons buried at Springhill Cemetery, I found a mistake concerning my grandfather, Marion Stabler, who was married to my grandmother Rosa B. Patterson Stabler. It states at that site that Marion was married to Pearl Stabler which is incorrect. How can I get that information corrected? Marian Stabler Breiholz Trenton, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Huppi" <chuppi@cinci.rr.com> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Woodmansee Workday reminder > Hi All- > > We're back at the cemetery Saturday. I've updated the website with the > new finds. Isabella Kirk, wife of John Kirk was a great find for the I K > footstone. We should be able to glue together more of the small stones. > > The weather should be getting warmer so don't forget the water. I'm also > finding Poison Ivy starts so be prepared. > > Perhaps Jacob Griffis' tombstone will get out of the hole he's in. > > Look forward to seeing all who make it. Enjoy the wedding for all those > party goers. > > Caroline > www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem Liberty Township Then Woodmansee.... > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: > OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) >

Hi All- We're back at the cemetery Saturday. I've updated the website with the new finds. Isabella Kirk, wife of John Kirk was a great find for the I K footstone. We should be able to glue together more of the small stones. The weather should be getting warmer so don't forget the water. I'm also finding Poison Ivy starts so be prepared. Perhaps Jacob Griffis' tombstone will get out of the hole he's in. Look forward to seeing all who make it. Enjoy the wedding for all those party goers. Caroline www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem Liberty Township Then Woodmansee....

The MiddletownPublic Library has the city directories ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Campbell" <katgcamp@bellsouth.net> To: <OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] Middletown City Directories > I'm hoping someone might be able to help me. I am looking for city > directories (or even telephone directories) for Middletown between > 1944-1947 > time frame. Does anyone have access to them? > > > > Thank you. > > Kathy Campbell > > Jacksonville, FL > > > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for Butler County family names ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER2 > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.2/356 - Release Date: 6/5/2006 > >

I'm hoping someone might be able to help me. I am looking for city directories (or even telephone directories) for Middletown between 1944-1947 time frame. Does anyone have access to them? Thank you. Kathy Campbell Jacksonville, FL

Just a reminder- We are back in the Woodmansee Cemetery this Saturday Morning 8AM-12PM. Shovels, mattox, gloves, water, and bow saw or hand saw look like the tools of choice for general work. I will bring the pipe clamps, bar clamps, tombstone repair accoutrements and a spud bar . After seeing how Reading dealt with the Super Walmart and the old farm burial ground at route 42 and Sharon road in the 5/28/2006 Enquirer working at the Woodmansee Cemetery is a worthwhile effort. It looks like moving old cemeteries consists of putting all the bones you find in 1 grave in a new cemetery, making a spectacle for the news coverage and forgetting the names of those people buried in the old cemetery. No tombstone was mentioned or "recovered." George Woodmansee, a descendant of James Woodmansee d 1818, living in Florida and real support for the cemetery preservation, will be at the Cemetery Saturday to work. You can pick up some Woodmansee history this Saturday. Dick Haid, descendant of David Griffis d 1829, works at the cemetery regularly and is a wealth of Griffis history. See you Saturday- Caroline Huppi chuppi@cinci.rr.com Website

Many, many thanks to all who responded re teachers' education in the late 1800's. It's really been interesting to me - from normal schools (there was a prominent one in Lebanon) to certificates to no requirements to practically nothing. I have much to follow up on. Thank you all. Kathleen Dewey Audra4RLS@aol.com wrote: >I would just like to mention that we need to remember how intense the >curriculum was in the past. Long division was done in ones head for example. Long >passages of classics were memorized where maybe now it seems to be skimmed >over. Readers did not have the variety of reading material as now and from what >I have surmised, most was more difficult than now. Writings by Ben Franklin >and others were far more difficult than what the average person reads today. >Aren't our newspapers and pamphlets written at an 8th grade level even now? >Maybe it is 6th? One or the other..just cannot remember now. I am a RNBSN and >have homeschooled for 7 years. I have come to the conclusion that children >who were able to go to school in the "olden" days received a great education in >comparison to what many children receive today. Mcguffey readers were not >easy. Education was very important to parents and children..it was a great >privilege to be able to read and write and parents enforced children to learn and >behave. Now sadly, children are so undisciplined that many..not all of >course are not concerned about learning...and those children in turn ruin it for >the rest of them by being disruptive. You cannot teach children who don't >want to learn. Just my opinion but a one room school house full of children who >wanted to learn would surpass an elaborate building full of children who >"have to go to school." Kudos to our past teachers regardless of their official >education. I bet they were some pretty intelligent teachers... > > >==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== >To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a message to: >OHBUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com or OHBUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com >Put SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (whichever you want to do) > > >

Looking for descendants of Joseph Colby and Margery Williams and in perticular their son Joseph Colby and Parmelia Booth. Joseph Colby Sr. died in abt 1824 in Butler County, Ohio In the 1830 census for Butler County, Joseph Colby there are 6 boys, 1 adult and 4 girls and 2 adult women Also in the 1830 census is a Isaac Colby with 2 sons, 1 adult and 1 girl and 1 adult I think Joseph and Isaac are siblings and sons of Joseph Colby and Margery William Joseph Colby Jr. and Pamelia Booth went to Shelby County sometime between 1830 and 1850. In the 1850 Census there are 23 Colby's in Shelby County. Parmelia is still alive. any help in sorting out this bunch would be appreciated. Ronald Colby rmcolby@micro-net.com Kearns, Utah 1-801-680-1317 I finally got my head together, now my body is falling apart. COLBY FAMILY & OTHERS: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~colby/colbyfam COLBY'S BOOKS: http://www2.micro-net.com/~rmcolby/index.htm

Many of my ancestors were involved in teaching during the 1800's and 1900's in Butler County....some of whom moved on to other areas, such as Texas. My Grandmother Scott taught in a one-room schoolhouse, after completing her education with her friend, my Grandmother Williams, at Oberlin College, following being educated at the school house at Shandon. Many of those that I knew about were schooled at Miami U., Oxford. Others I knew about just taught with a certificate. Now, my niece home-schools her 6 children in Tennessee, after taking classes to learn how on the internet, because she doesn't like the school system there...interesting ALMINA HUGHES <ERSKINE-ALMINA@msn.com> wrote: Talking about the education of a teacher depends on the time frame when the person taught. Here in the midwest back in the early days of settlement and thereafter in many states you only had to have so many years of schooling and take a test and you could be a teacher. Then I imagine after so many years of teaching and if needed you moved up to be the principal or administrator. I have friends in their 70's and 80's who started out in their teaching careers with only a certificate gained after taking a test. Maybe that would explain this situation in Ohio too. Just a thought! ----- Original Message ----- From: Sftrail@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:08 PM To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER-L] teacher education My grandparents farmed near Okeana, but both went to college for several years in the early 1890s. They went to Otterbein College in Westerville OH. During that time period, there were also colleges in Cincinnati and of course Miami U. For your aunt to have been a school principal, I'd think she would have gone to college somewhere. You had posted some info on the Hynes family on this page near the bottom: _http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/sur-a499.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/sur-a499.htm) back in 1999 from another email address, but nothing about her schooling Nancy Sween In a message dated 5/23/2006 1:34:37 PM Central Daylight Time, unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net writes: I'm wondering if someone on the List may know something about the "what" and "where" of post high school education necessary to be a teacher in the Hamilton City School District. My aunt, Nelle Hynes of Overpeck, graduated from Hamilton High School in 1895/6 and had a career as an elementary teacher and principal in the city school district. Thank you. Kathleen Dewey ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== A History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County Ohio ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc/index.html

I have a copy of the annual report for the Hamilton Public Schools for the school year ending August 31st, 1893. It stated that all teaching applicants were required to go before the Hamilton Board of City School Examiners, and they had to pass a satisfactory examination in the following named branches of study, as required by Ohio School laws: Orthography, Reading, Penmanship, Arithmetic, Geography, English Grammar and Composition, History of the United States (including the Constitution), Physiology and Hygiene, Music, Drawing, and the Theory and Practice of Teaching. Applicants for positions in the High School, or German-English classes, were examined in such additional branches as they were required to teach. All special teachers were examined in their specialties, and in the Theory and Practice of Teaching. There were four different grades of teaching certificates issued; and no certificates were granted to any applicant whose general average fell below 80% or whose grade in any required branch fell below 60%. In 1892-93, 8 gentlemen and 77 Ladies applied for certificates; of those 85, 23 of the Ladies and none of the Gentlemen were rejected. [The book includes the questions submitted to the applicants of 1892-93. E-mail me privately if you would like me to e-mail you a copy of those questions.] note: Orthography = Spelling p.s. -- If anyone has an obit for a graduate of the High School in Hamilton, please consider sending a copy to be included in the obit section of HHS.Alumni.net as we are currently in the process of adding these earliest grads to our obit database. Diane Beaty Blankets for America Friends of Pine Ridge Reservation Before us lies a new day, and in the distance a new world, ours to create by the strength of our faith.

My grandmother taught in Indiana 1905-6 with only a high school diploma. Her father taught a generation before with probably no formal education at all beyond elementary. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "unicorn1945" <unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net> > Kathleen, > > Google "normal schools" and see what you come up with. Here in Indiana, a > person attended what they called Normal School, the equivalent of a teacher's > college at that time. > > Shirley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kathleen Dewey > To: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:34 PM > Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] teacher education > > > Hello, List > > I'm wondering if someone on the List may know something about > the "what" and "where" of post high school education necessary to be a > teacher in the Hamilton City School District. My aunt, Nelle Hynes of > Overpeck, graduated from Hamilton High School in 1895/6 and had a career > as an elementary teacher and principal in the city school district. > Thank you. Kathleen Dewey > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Butler County American History & Genealogy Project > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/oh/county/butler > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 5/22/2006 > > > > ==== OHBUTLER Mailing List ==== > Search for surnames in the 1882 History of Butler County ~ > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=OHBUTLER >