We have located Jacob Round and his family's origin ( 98% sure :o) ). SUMMARY JACKOB/JACOB RUND/ROUND/ROWND/ROWAN/ROWEN/ROWN --PIONEER FAMILY On 2 Jan 1738,Johann Jackob Rund was born, in Dackenheim,Pfalz-Bayern (Palatinate) Germany to Christopher Rund and Anna Catherina Rund. All from extracted Parish records : A family group. Evangelisch Reformed ( Protestant) in Dackenheim.Pfalz-Bayern(Palatinate). Dackenheim is near Ludwigshafen and Bad Durckheim.He married Anna Magdalana Staehler in Friedelsheim ( about 5 miles from Dackenheim) on 8 Nov 1763. In Dackenheim, a christening : Father Johann Jacob Rund, mother, Anna Magdalena Rund, 24 Oct 1764. We believe her parents were Andreas Staehler who married Maria Barbara Meyer in Dackenheim on 26 Oct 1728. Also, the christening accounts for the child born in Germany who died young, per the Shrader account of Jacob. We believe that Jacob and Anna emigrated to America in 1765/1766 and the birth of Elizabeth in Westmoreland Co. about 1766. As Carl told me, this is not proof positive ; but,the time is right, the place is right, a child born in Germany is right, and emigration is right. Also, look at Jacob's brother Johann DANIEL, mother, Anna CATHERINA, sister MARIA MARGARETHA, and Anna's father ANDREAS (Andrew). His daughter, Elizabeth Margarete Rowan/Round was born in Westmoreland Co., PA about 1766. She married Aaron Shrader Sr., son of William Schrader, in Mt. Pleasant, Westmoreland Co. , PA , between 1783 and 1788. Their first son, Jacob, was born there in 1788. She died in Butler Co., Ohio in 1826. Jackob Rund/ Jacob Round first showed up as signing a petition in John Shield's home, about 6 miles from Hannastown, Westmoreland Co., PA in 1774. This petition was to Gov. Penn requesting troops to help defend settlement from Indian attacks. Hannastown on the Loyalhanna, was a settlement on the migration path westward to Ohio. It had a small fort about 6 miles outside of the settlement. The settlement was later destroyed by Indians. Jacob signed a second petition in Mt. Pleasant in 1784 on behalf of William Schrader ( father of Aaron Shrader Sr.). This petition turned out to be a very historic document ( as reported by " German Genealogical Digest") since it was used as a test of the then recently written " ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION". To quote from the " German Genealogical Digest" ... " These stalwart men faced peril and privatation on the western frontier of the young Republic The document was meaningful to hundreds of thousands of American families who decend from these brave men" The document was signed by Jackob Rund ( with umplatt over the u). The Americanized version being " JACOB ROUND " as the u is pronounced ou / or Round. Jacob Round Sr's daughter, Catherine was born 1765/67 in Westmoreland Co., PA and his son, Philip ( my 3rd great grandfather ) was born there in 1770. We do not know dates of Jacob Jr's or Daniel's birth; but, believe they were born between 1776 and 1789, based on 1820 census for Daniel and marriage date of Jacob Jr. Mary (Polly) Round was born 13 Jan 1779 in Westmoreland Co., PA as confirmed by decendents of the Isaac Watson family. Merium Round, as listed in Jacob's Indenture of 1811 is actually Mary Ann Round. Now comes the Snag !! Most of the decendents of Andrew Rowen believe that he was born in Philadelphia on 24 Mar 1775 !! NOTE: Philadelphia is in eastern PA., while, Westmoreland Co. was in western PA. on the frontier. I believe that Andrew's researchers may have deduced that from a Jacob Row or Rowand's marriage to a Prudence Maroe in 1772. My researchers, Carl Dunn, and I don't dispute the date of Andrew's birth; but, do not find any proof of the place. We think that logic points to the fact that Andrew was born in Westmoreland Co., PA. Why would Jacob have lived in Westmoreland Co. in 1766, have , at least 3 children there, sign petition in 1774, then go to Phila. and have Andrew there, go back to Westmoreland Co., have Mary in 1779 and sign another petition in 1784 ? I believe that Jacob and his unknown wife (Anna) had all of his children in Westmoreland Co., PA and that she died or was killed before he ever left PA to sign up for the Butler Co., Ohio " Symmes Purchase" in 1791. NOTE : During the Revolution and before, there was much fighting in Western PA between the settlers, Indians, and British. George Washington and his brother owned land there as well as Virginia. It could very well be, that Jacob Sr. was in the militia in Western PA. There were a lot of lives lost in and around Hannastown. The people who signed petitions, fought together and died together were Irish, Scots, Germans, Swiss, Dutch, English,French, etc. In other words, they fought together, lived together, and died together. They even married each other !! They were freedom loving Americans !! About 1790/91, Jacob Round Sr. took the Ohio River to Hamilton Co.,Ohio where he signed up for the "Symmes Purchase in Butler Co. along the Miami River in 1791. He and his family stayed at Ft. Washington, near Cincinnati at night, while farming their land during the day ( Nelson Rowen's letter of 1925). In early Butler Co., Jacob had two women living with him ( believe they were Mary Ann and Mary (Polly), his two unmarried daughters) Mary married Isaac Watson in Jan., 1805. Catherine had married Frederick Olendorf/Allenduff in nearby North Bend, Hamilton Co. in 1793. He was killed by Indians, after one son, Frederick Allenduff. Catherine remarried John Dickinson/Dickerson ( a Revolutionary War Vet ) in North Bend in 1796. Merium ( Mary Ann) married William Early in Butler Co. in 1818. Andrew married Elizabeth Drollinger abt. 1804 in Butler Co. Elizabeth stayed in Mt Pleasant, PA with her Aaron Shrader and family until abt. 1812, then they moved to Butler Co. where she died in 1826. In the meantime, Philip Round had joined the Army in Kentucky in 1790 thru 1794 as a scout/spy ! It is possible that Daniel may have also been in Kentucky. So far, we have nothing on Jacob Round Jr. until his marriage to Nancy Miller in 1811 in Butler Co., His inheritance of land in the Indenture of 1811 and his death and will under the name of Jacob Rowan in 1819 (probated 1821). His youngest son, Jacob was born after his death. Son, Daniel and daughter, Susan, grew up as Rowans. Jacob had surnames of Rowan,Rown, and Round. Daniel Round died in Fountain Co., Indiana as Daniel Rowan in 1831. The finalization of this will was handled by his nephew, Frederick Allenduff and wife, Nancy in 1840. A son of Daniel, Henry P. Rowan did not remember much of his childhood. He thought he was born abt. 1820 in Kentucky. We know that Daniel was in Dearborn Co., Indiana in 1820 census. He was in Butler Co., Ohio from 1811-1818 when he sold his land to the Shraders. It is possible that he was in Kentucky prior to 1811. My notes on each individual Round/etc. reflects what I thought I had at a particular point of time. This summary reflects where I am now on the earlier ancestors of ours ( Sept., 2006). Now, the question : Why so many surnames in our family ? Some wonder how names of Rowan, Rowen, Rown, Rownd come in to play. We know that Round is the Americanized spelling of Rund ( with the umplatt over the u). We also know that the Maryland Rownds had a different spelling due to Normans coming to England. Let us remember that the Germanic people as well as some French and Scandinavians had a brogue that could easily be picked up as Rown,Rowan,Rowen, Roun !! We can also add in misspellings, mis-reading, and lack of education by census takers, deed writers, wills, etc. I have found errors in Ancestry. com's censues: i.e. 1850 census for Philip Round's dau. in law as Charlotta Rowan and birth place of Philip and grandchildren. Charlotta's husband who died in 1841 was Andrew Round as shown on his tombstone. She and family were shown as Rowan. Children were shown as born in IA and so was Philip. His place of birth was PA not IA. Children were IN not IA. Hers was PA and shown as PA. This is just one of the errors I found in transcribing. The one document that explains it all i s Daniel Round's Probate in 1831. This was one legal sized handwritten page that showed Daniel as Daniel Round, Daniel Rowan, Daniel Rowen, Daniel Rownd, and Daniel Rown. It shows my 3rd great grandfather as Philip Rowen. The 1840 probate shows children as Rowan. By the way, it shows 5 children, 3 girls and 2 boys which fits in exactly with the 1820 census of Daniel Round in Dearborn Co., Indiana. Charles Round ( 7TH GENERATION ) PS Thanks to Lara,Judy,Terri,Debbie,Dick,Lynne,Mary,Martha,Harold,Coleen,Grace,Judith,Tim, Jim,Rita,Mary Beth,Grandfather Round,Gwendolyn,Evelyn,Clarence,Gordon and many others. Special thanks to Carl Dunn for info. in Germany.

Hello Monty. you might contact Margaret Edwards at magaret14@peoplepc.com She has a William Baker in her file. Which the information you send in the message might be a match never heard to try. She might be able to help you in your quest. Regards, Sandy @comcast.net> wrote: Need a 1930 census look-up for William Baker and Anise (Farmer) who married in Powell Co., KY in 1921. Children Mary and Ella. Believed to be in Butler Co., but might have returned to Ky. by time of census. Appreciate any help. Monty Reed -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/462 - Release Date: 10/3/2006 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

William Baker and wife Anise were found in Daviess Co, Ky. Thanks for all the help. Monty Reed -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/462 - Release Date: 10/3/2006

Hello Janet, attached I send you some information thaht might be helpful. Most of the so far information I found on the web. But I think you best bet will be the FamilySearch.org The Church of the Latter-Day Saints. I work with their mikrofilms a lot. They have a large collection of old german records . They charge you $ 5.50 per mikrofilm after 3 renewal the film becomes your permanent loan, and they have more german records than ancestry. In short a gold mine for us, when you research your ancestors, you only have to read german. If you choose to go this way, let me know, I can posssible transcribe ffor you for a small fee. I am doing transcribe work for a some Universities in the US on the side. In reference to the Imgration records from Bremen, best guess would be the port of entry records. Most of Bremens records got destroyed betweem World War I and II. Hope I could help and let know if it helped. regards, Sandra Janet Estep <jlestep@smyth.net> wrote: Yes, thank you, Sandra. Do you have this book, or did you locate this on the internet? Is there other information included with this citation that might be helpful or is this all that is included under Andreas Koch? I'm not familiar with this book, so I guess I have a lot of questions. Sorry. This could be the Andrew Koch I'm looking for, but I'm trying to document the immigration date and info for Andrew Koch/Cook who lived in Lewis Co., KY, after the Civil War until 1890????. Census says he was born in Hamburg. His Civil War pension application says he was a machinist apprentice in Cincinnati in 1854. He was born ca. 1835, and he would be the son of Andrew Koch who immigrated in 1844, his mother Mary (Maria), on the Latrobe from Bremen, Germany. I have Andrew Koch, Mary Koch, and Andrew Koch, son on the 1850 census in Butler Co., Ohio, who are the correct ages. Thanks again for your help. You're the best!!!!!! Janet -----Original Message----- From: ohbutler-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohbutler-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SANDRA ENDERS Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 12:49 PM To: ohbutler@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHBUTLER] Koch family Andreas Koch Year: 1844 Place: America Family Members: 4 persons Source Publication Code: 2692 Primary Immigrant: Koch, Andreas Annotation: Emigration from Obereichsfeld to America in the second half of the 19th century. From a file containing requests for permission to emigrate, stored in the Landratsamt In Muehlhausen (in Thuringia, now East Germany). Concerns 1,095 emigrants to America, 18 Source Bibliography: GOLDMANN, L. "Obereichsfeldische Auswanderung nach Amerika in der zweiten Haelfte des 19. Jahrhunderts." In Unser Eichsfeld, Jahrgang 23:12 (Dec. 1928), pp. 257-262. Page: 261 1870 United States Federal Census Record about Andrew Koch Name: Andrew Koch Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Age in 1870: 36 BirthPlace: Hesse / Hessen Home in 1870: Sandusky Ward 4, Erie, Ohio Family and Neighbors: View Results Race: White Gender: Male Value of real estate: View Image Post Office: Sandusky Hi Janet, hope it worked this way Sandy "jlestep@smyth.net" wrote: Sandra, thanks for replying, but I didn't get an attachment on the message. Janet ------- Original Message ------- >From : SANDRA ENDERS[mailto:sandra.enders@sbcglobal.net] Sent : 9/22/2006 11:31:00 AM To : ohbutler@rootsweb.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [OHBUTLER] Koch family Hello Janet, There is a lot of Kochs in Reily, Sandusky Ohio. Attached is some ineresting information that might help. Also think out of the box with their last name, misspelling are common. Hope I could help, Sandy "jlestep@smyth.net" wrote: Hello, I'm looking for info on Andrew (Andreas) Koch and Mary Koch who immigrated to the US in 1844 with their son Andrew Koch, who was born ca. 1835. There is an Andrew and Mary Koch with son Andrew Koch on the 1850 census in Butler Co., Ohio. Does anyone have info on this family, or could someone direct me to the best source for this family in Butler Co.? Thanks! 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Need a 1930 census look-up for William Baker and Anise (Farmer) who married in Powell Co., KY in 1921. Children Mary and Ella. Believed to be in Butler Co., but might have returned to Ky. by time of census. Appreciate any help. Monty Reed -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/462 - Release Date: 10/3/2006

Hi, Just want to remind those interested in preserving a Liberty Township Farm Cemetery that the last 2 workdays this year will be October 7, 2006 8AM-12PM and Oct 21, 2006 8AM-10PM. We are moving onto fixing the large tablet tombstones 3" thick sandstone 2 1/2 feet wide and looking like 6 feet tall. This will continue to be an exercise in high school physics but reminds me of building pyramids. I guess people have forgotten the amount of labor used in simple tasks in the past. This has been quite a learning experience. I wish more people were interested in preserving the cemeteries in their community as every cemetery could use some help. http:// www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutcem/ Liberty Township, Woodmansee Cemetery Caroline Huppi

Mentioned under the Oxford Cemetery listings is a note saying there is a record of older families buried in this cemetery in Oxford Burial Grounds 1817 – 1987 by Sylvia F Ferguson, found in the Fairfield Lane library. Is it possible for anyone to look up in that book for me the names Nathaniel Moore [b.1763] and Jane Talbot [Tolbert] Moore [b.ca.1765]. They died between 1840 and 1860. I would really appreciate this..... PH DePoy Manassas VA

Thank you for the hint.....however, that is where I found the distant cousins........phd -------------- Original message -------------- From: Norma Adams <njadams@cinci.rr.com> > > You might want to visit the OHBUTLER web site to view cemeteries in the area. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/ > > Norma > > At 02:19 PM 9/30/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >I am most interested in this Cemetery Book. I am specifically trying to > >find info re: a family cemetery north of Oxford, OH on Brown Road [Rt.47], > >the Campbellite Cemetery > > • Campbell-Dalzell Cemetery (a) > > • New Light-Doty Cemetery (a) > >Interred there are these distant cousins: > >MOORE, Julia, b. 1895, d. 1924 . > > James R., d. 5 Nov 1878, age 48 yrs. s/o Nathaniel III > > William S., d. 20 Apr 1863, age 21 yrs. s/o Nathaniel III > > Elizabeth, d. 27 Nov 1853, 52 yrs w/o Nathaniel III > > > >Please send me instructions for accessing this book since I feel my > >3g-grandparents are probably buied there. > > > >Incidentally, INRANDOL [Randolph Co IN] has all this online and it is > >marvelous. > > > >Thanks so much..... > >PH DePoy > >Manassas VA > > > > > > > > Just completed for Butler County Ohio Cemeteries Collection. > > > > > > > > > Book is available from Butler County Ohio Chapter of OGS. Please > > private email > > > me for directions to order this new Publication. > > > > > > Deb Morrison > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I am most interested in this Cemetery Book. I am specifically trying to find info re: a family cemetery north of Oxford, OH on Brown Road [Rt.47], the Campbellite Cemetery • Campbell-Dalzell Cemetery (a) • New Light-Doty Cemetery (a) Interred there are these distant cousins: MOORE, Julia, b. 1895, d. 1924 . James R., d. 5 Nov 1878, age 48 yrs. s/o Nathaniel III William S., d. 20 Apr 1863, age 21 yrs. s/o Nathaniel III Elizabeth, d. 27 Nov 1853, 52 yrs w/o Nathaniel III Please send me instructions for accessing this book since I feel my 3g-grandparents are probably buied there. Incidentally, INRANDOL [Randolph Co IN] has all this online and it is marvelous. Thanks so much..... PH DePoy Manassas VA > > Just completed for Butler County Ohio Cemeteries Collection. > > > Book is available from Butler County Ohio Chapter of OGS. Please private email > me for directions to order this new Publication. > > Deb Morrison >

You might want to visit the OHBUTLER web site to view cemeteries in the area. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/ Norma At 02:19 PM 9/30/2006 +0000, you wrote: >I am most interested in this Cemetery Book. I am specifically trying to >find info re: a family cemetery north of Oxford, OH on Brown Road [Rt.47], >the Campbellite Cemetery > • Campbell-Dalzell Cemetery (a) > • New Light-Doty Cemetery (a) >Interred there are these distant cousins: >MOORE, Julia, b. 1895, d. 1924 . > James R., d. 5 Nov 1878, age 48 yrs. s/o Nathaniel III > William S., d. 20 Apr 1863, age 21 yrs. s/o Nathaniel III > Elizabeth, d. 27 Nov 1853, 52 yrs w/o Nathaniel III > >Please send me instructions for accessing this book since I feel my >3g-grandparents are probably buied there. > >Incidentally, INRANDOL [Randolph Co IN] has all this online and it is >marvelous. > >Thanks so much..... >PH DePoy >Manassas VA > > > > > Just completed for Butler County Ohio Cemeteries Collection. > > > > > > Book is available from Butler County Ohio Chapter of OGS. Please > private email > > me for directions to order this new Publication. > > > > Deb Morrison > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doesn't leap year effect this? phd -------------- Original message -------------- From: "unicorn1945" <unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net> > I haven't been following this conversation so forgive my question: Where did > this death or birth occur? > Shirley > IN > > > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:25:14 -0400, Dennis Kowallek > wrote: > > >>The Gregorian Date Calculator, one of the Tools found in Personal > >>Ancestral File (PAF), the genealogy program developed by the Church of > >>Jesus Christ of Latter-Days Saints (LDS) calculates the birth date as > >>Saturday, 16 September 1797. > > > >That's odd. Legacy's date calculator says 17 Sep 1797. I just counted > >backwards 10 months and 19 days from 5 Aug of this year and landed on 16 > >Sep. So there must be a bug in Legacy's date calculator and I am off to > >report it. > > Now that I look at the problem, both answers are correct. It all depends > on the direction you count. > > 38 years, 10 months, and 19 days forward from 17 Sep 1797 gives you 5 > Aug 1836. But 38 years, 10 months, and 19 days backward from 5 Aug 1836 > gives you 16 Sep 1797. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to > come up with the reason for this. ;-) > > But this poses an interesting question. When we see quotations like this > (I assume Nancy was looking at a tombstone in this case), which > method/date is correct? One almost has to get into the head of the > person who carved the tombstone to figure this out. > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:01:25 +0000, memawphd@comcast.net wrote: >Doesn't leap year effect this? I don't think it does in this particular case. -- Dennis Kowallek Hanover Twp., Butler Co. kowallek@iglou.com ******************

In a message dated 9/29/2006 7:57:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net writes: I haven't been following this conversation so forgive my question: Where did this death or birth occur? Shirley IN The death occurred Butler Co OH (smile) Burial was in the old George Cemetery on South Dwyer Road, Morgan township. I knew genealogy was fascinating, but didn't know figuring birth dates from tombstone info could be so challenging too! Since I never heard back from Caroline H about using her format, I improvised it a bit so I can add info about how the people buried in that cemetery are related to each other. Many seem to have been neighbors, not blood relatives. Nancy _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vlwest/george/george-cem/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vlwest/george/george-cem/) (http://free)

Leap year could have affected this date but another thing could have affected it too - the international dateline, which was in place at least as early as Dec 21, 1521 when Magellan returned to Spain from his three year voyage around the earth. Depending where and who calculated the date it could be off one day due to that dateline. Shirley Doesn't leap year effect this? phd > I haven't been following this conversation so forgive my question: Where did > this death or birth occur? > Shirley > IN > > > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:25:14 -0400, Dennis Kowallek > wrote: > > >>The Gregorian Date Calculator, one of the Tools found in Personal > >>Ancestral File (PAF), the genealogy program developed by the Church of > >>Jesus Christ of Latter-Days Saints (LDS) calculates the birth date as > >>Saturday, 16 September 1797. > > > >That's odd. Legacy's date calculator says 17 Sep 1797. I just counted > >backwards 10 months and 19 days from 5 Aug of this year and landed on 16 > >Sep. So there must be a bug in Legacy's date calculator and I am off to > >report it. > > Now that I look at the problem, both answers are correct. It all depends > on the direction you count. > > 38 years, 10 months, and 19 days forward from 17 Sep 1797 gives you 5 > Aug 1836. But 38 years, 10 months, and 19 days backward from 5 Aug 1836 > gives you 16 Sep 1797. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to > come up with the reason for this. ;-) > > But this poses an interesting question. When we see quotations like this > (I assume Nancy was looking at a tombstone in this case), which > method/date is correct? One almost has to get into the head of the > person who carved the tombstone to figure this out. > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHBUTLER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006

I haven't been following this conversation so forgive my question: Where did this death or birth occur? Shirley IN On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:25:14 -0400, Dennis Kowallek <kowallek@iglou.com> wrote: >>The Gregorian Date Calculator, one of the Tools found in Personal >>Ancestral File (PAF), the genealogy program developed by the Church of >>Jesus Christ of Latter-Days Saints (LDS) calculates the birth date as >>Saturday, 16 September 1797. > >That's odd. Legacy's date calculator says 17 Sep 1797. I just counted >backwards 10 months and 19 days from 5 Aug of this year and landed on 16 >Sep. So there must be a bug in Legacy's date calculator and I am off to >report it. Now that I look at the problem, both answers are correct. It all depends on the direction you count. 38 years, 10 months, and 19 days forward from 17 Sep 1797 gives you 5 Aug 1836. But 38 years, 10 months, and 19 days backward from 5 Aug 1836 gives you 16 Sep 1797. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to come up with the reason for this. ;-) But this poses an interesting question. When we see quotations like this (I assume Nancy was looking at a tombstone in this case), which method/date is correct? One almost has to get into the head of the person who carved the tombstone to figure this out. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006

To add to the novelty of the exercise trying to figure out birthdates, I'd like to add a little information based on what my great grandmother said of her birth. Whenever asked how old she was she would give years, months, and days. Asking how she could be so precise all the time, she said she knew how many years, then would figure how many months and days from that last birthday. One thing she didn't take into account, and possibly no one else did either was Leap Year. I haven't even attempted to see if any of my ancestors were born during Leap Year or within that 12 month period, but I'm sure it would throw off some of my dates. Ted Crayne

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:25:14 -0400, Dennis Kowallek <kowallek@iglou.com> wrote: >>The Gregorian Date Calculator, one of the Tools found in Personal >>Ancestral File (PAF), the genealogy program developed by the Church of >>Jesus Christ of Latter-Days Saints (LDS) calculates the birth date as >>Saturday, 16 September 1797. > >That's odd. Legacy's date calculator says 17 Sep 1797. I just counted >backwards 10 months and 19 days from 5 Aug of this year and landed on 16 >Sep. So there must be a bug in Legacy's date calculator and I am off to >report it. Now that I look at the problem, both answers are correct. It all depends on the direction you count. 38 years, 10 months, and 19 days forward from 17 Sep 1797 gives you 5 Aug 1836. But 38 years, 10 months, and 19 days backward from 5 Aug 1836 gives you 16 Sep 1797. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to come up with the reason for this. ;-) But this poses an interesting question. When we see quotations like this (I assume Nancy was looking at a tombstone in this case), which method/date is correct? One almost has to get into the head of the person who carved the tombstone to figure this out. -- Dennis Kowallek Hanover Twp., Butler Co. kowallek@iglou.com ******************

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:29:46 -0400, "Robert McMaken" <rmcmaken@gmail.com> wrote: >The Gregorian Date Calculator, one of the Tools found in Personal >Ancestral File (PAF), the genealogy program developed by the Church of >Jesus Christ of Latter-Days Saints (LDS) calculates the birth date as >Saturday, 16 September 1797. That's odd. Legacy's date calculator says 17 Sep 1797. I just counted backwards 10 months and 19 days from 5 Aug of this year and landed on 16 Sep. So there must be a bug in Legacy's date calculator and I am off to report it. -- Dennis Kowallek Hanover Twp., Butler Co. kowallek@iglou.com ******************

The Gregorian Date Calculator, one of the Tools found in Personal Ancestral File (PAF), the genealogy program developed by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Days Saints (LDS) calculates the birth date as Saturday, 16 September 1797. Bob

Hope you all don't mind the post but it is for Genealogy. Just completed for Butler County Ohio Cemeteries Collection. Black Road Cemetery on Black Road in Millville Ohio. This book is 30 pages mostly headstone photos and a small about of history for the cemetery. Book is available from Butler County Ohio Chapter of OGS. Please private email me for directions to order this new Publication. Deb Morrison