This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_d9GkDGfvnod/q9PSWXONCA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline I know it is not easy to get volunteers for anything. Our genealogy group has been able to get assistance from persons who have court mandated "community services hours" to complete. However, someone/s would still have to oversee the project including filing the volunteer time forms with the Adult Probation Department. And sometimes, this type of work can capture their interest and make a big difference in their lives as well. Phyllis Yarber Hogan --Boundary_(ID_d9GkDGfvnod/q9PSWXONCA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain OHBELMON-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 68 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [OHBELMON-L] ] Belmont records ["Kim Shutway" <[email protected]>] #2 Re: ] Belmont records [[email protected]] #3 Re: [OHBELMON-L] Re: ] Belmont rec [[email protected]] #4 Belmont records ["Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]] #5 Belmont Co. Records [[email protected]] #6 Re: [OHBELMON-L] Belmont Co. Recor ["Emily" <[email protected]>] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from OHBELMON-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_d9GkDGfvnod/q9PSWXONCA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:51:01 -0400 From: "Kim Shutway" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OHBELMON-L] ] Belmont records To: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Message: #1 Hi Sandra and all, It's not that no one is interested. Believe me, we have beaten our heads off the walls here trying to figure out what to do about these records. A few years ago, a few of us went out to the courthouse annex and looked around at the mess. Not only did we find estate packets and wills, we also found ledgers from businesses and doctors. We were appalled. However, after much talk between us and with members of our society, nothing was settled or done. Sandra is right - it would be a tremendous undertaking and no one seems to want to put the effort into it. I'm afraid that, one day in the near future, these records will "disappear" and a great amount of info will be lost forever. Kim Conley Shutway Co-Founder - Cumberland Trail Genealogy Society, Belmont Co., OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: [OHBELMON-L] ] Belmont records > The tax records are in the basement of an outbuilding on the grounds of > the WICS bldg, several miles outside town. It is filthy dirty, with only > one light, in the ceiling near the door. The ledgers are piled from floor > to ceiling around the walls, in no order, surrounded by boxes of trash, > broken chairs and office desks. One has to crawl over the junk to get to > the ledgers, and it is impossible, by the ceiling light, to read them. One > day would be a drop in the bucket, and many, MANY days would be required > just to open each book and see what the all contain, let along take some > sort of notes. When I found them I contacted a couple members of local > organizations, and could find no one who was interested in taking on the > job....it takes people on the spot, people who live near, to tackle this > job, which would be a tremendous undertaking. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 12:21 PM > Subject: Re: [OHBELMON-L] Belmont records > > > > Dear Belmont County researchers, > > > > I'm sure all of us have dreamed of the untold genealogical treasures that > > might be lying in those stacks of papers. Does anyone have any ideas > > about what might be done at least to get them organized where they lie? > > Then if a centralized area does become available, a headstart would > > already have been made toward the final organization. > > > > Someone local would have to head and manage the total project so that it > > was done in an orderly manner. But perhaps some of us who are planning to > > travel to the area to research could donate a day of research time to the > > effort. I know I'm coming in June for about a week and would be happy to > > contribute a day to an ongoing task. And if there is anything that could > > be done off-site, I'd be happy to consider that as well. > > > > Maybe if we all put our heads together (and perhaps some extra funds for > > supplies [file folders, storage boxes, or whatever] and possibly the use > > of a laptop to keep track of the records found, etc., etc., etc.), this > > oft-mentioned accumulation might be rendered truly useful. I would think > > the first undertaking would be the identification of the records and the > > sorting into groups according to type. The adrenaline starts pumping just > > contemplating the possibilities! > > > > What are your thoughts? Is this a feasible undertaking? > > > > Lorraine > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:31:43 -0400 "Saboley" <[email protected]> > > writes: > > > From what I understand, there are also court house records and stacks > > > of > > > ledgers stored in the attic and basement of the former Old Age home > > > in > > > Bannock as well as the attic of the court house. Seems records are > > > scattered > > > every where in a totally unorganized fashion. Have heard the St. > > > C. > > > Genealogy Society is working on taking over the vacated old jail > > > next to the > > > Court house where they might gather and house some of these old > > > records. > > > Perhaps they will become accessible someday. > > > Also have heard that old school and voting records are stored in > > > the > > > Township Buildings through out the County. Would be nice if these > > > could all > > > be centralized and accessible to the public. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:52 AM > > > Subject: [OHBELMON-L] Belmont records > > > > > > > > > > I visited the courthouse in St. Clairsville, looking for early > > > tax > > > records, > > > > only to discover that hundreds of ledgers were piled in the > > > basement of an > > > > outbuilding, adjoining the WICS bldg, several miles outside > > > town......so, > > > > perhaps some of the records you seek are there. I do know, also, > > > that > > > many > > > > administrative papers (those from estates where the person died > > > intestate) > > > > are stored elsewhere, and not accessable to the public. You must > > > fill out > > > a > > > > form there at the courthouse, with name and pertinent data, and > > > the > > > Probate > > > > clerks will let you know later if there is any paperwork under the > > > persons > > > > name......they explained to me that they only went to wherever it > > > is they > > > > have those records on an occasional basis, and thus it might be > > > quite a > > > > while till they had time to check. I had this happen last summer, > > > and > > > they > > > > did let me know that there was paperwork for the person's estate I > > > sought. > > > > The told me the $ for copies and I sent for them..... > > > > > > > > > Carol, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for all the information. I appreciate it very > > > much. The > > > > > Philip Wise in question was a landowner, and about a year ago I > > > checked > > > > the land > > > > > records in Salt Lake City and didn't find any transfer, and so I > > > have > > > > assumed > > > > > that the land passed to the next generation by probate. When I > > > attempted > > > > to > > > > > access the chancery records for that period I found that they > > > were > > > located > > > > on > > > > > 16 rolls of microfilm, that were completely unsorted and > > > completely out > > > of > > > > > order and that many of the records were in a condition that > > > were > > > difficult > > > > to read > > > > > and understand. It would have required weeks of effort just to > > > go > > > through > > > > > them. I have assumed that because probate records kept track > > > of > > > property > > > > that > > > > > the records would have been continually accessible and that's > > > why I > > > > brought up > > > > > the possibility that those records for that time period might > > > have been > > > > > destroyed because they don't seem to be available anywhere. I > > > visited > > > the > > > > > courthouse in St. Clairsville last summer and the only probate > > > records I > > > > could find for > > > > > that period were those associated with wills. > > > > > > > > > > Neil E. > > > > > Folsom, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_d9GkDGfvnod/q9PSWXONCA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:52:03 -0400 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: ] Belmont records To: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Message: #2 Dear Sandra and all, I can imagine that the job is overwhelming. I simply thought that if a lot of people gave a little, it might be accomplished. However, that might not be realistic. But I'd still be willing to give my day! :-} Lorraine [email protected] On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:41:48 -0400 "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> writes: > The tax records are in the basement of an outbuilding on the > grounds of > the WICS bldg, several miles outside town. It is filthy dirty, with > only > one light, in the ceiling near the door. The ledgers are piled from > floor > to ceiling around the walls, in no order, surrounded by boxes of > trash, > broken chairs and office desks. One has to crawl over the junk to > get to > the ledgers, and it is impossible, by the ceiling light, to read > them. One > day would be a drop in the bucket, and many, MANY days would be > required > just to open each book and see what the all contain, let along take > some > sort of notes. When I found them I contacted a couple members of > local > organizations, and could find no one who was interested in taking on > the > job....it takes people on the spot, people who live near, to tackle > this > job, which would be a tremendous undertaking. > ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_d9GkDGfvnod/q9PSWXONCA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:36:06 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OHBELMON-L] Re: ] Belmont records To: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Message: #3 When a job seems overwhelming it might be better to just start with a small project and see how it goes. How about just looking at one of the sites and see what's in just a few of those ledgers? It might give just a clue about what to concentrate on. Neil E. ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_d9GkDGfvnod/q9PSWXONCA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:16:51 -0400 From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> Subject: Belmont records To: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Message: #4 The whole point of the issue is that considering the magnitude of the amount of material, this must be taken on by someone local, or even better, a local organization, people capable of regular access....people, like me, from another state, can do nothing but lend a hand on the couple of occasions during the year, when we visit. It HAS to be orchestrated by locals.....I, personally, would be glad to transcribe original documents; I've done it with others, from other areas - and, others might be willing to do the same - but, we have no access. Someone local must be able to discuss the records with the courthouse 'powers that be' - we can't simply waltz in and take them....I'm sure there would be a ton of red tape involved, and it can't be done long-distance. That was why I suggested, several years ago, that this would be a wonderful project for the local genealogical or historical organizations - or both of them......or, the DAR chapter.....ANYONE who lives there. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [OHBELMON-L] Re: ] Belmont records > When a job seems overwhelming it might be better to just start with a small > project and see how it goes. How about just looking at one of the sites and > see what's in just a few of those ledgers? It might give just a clue about what > to concentrate on. > > Neil E. > ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_d9GkDGfvnod/q9PSWXONCA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:38:44 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Belmont Co. Records To: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Message: #5 I live out of state but will be in Ohio in June. I agree that this needs to be taken on by locals. I would help a couple of days however I won't be staying near there so would have to find a local hotel. I'll be about 2 hours away from there while in Ohio. If this could get set up by a local group, I'll donate some time then. I can also transcribe records from home but have never done that. I'd need a quick lesson from someone who has. Please, lets not let these records disappear. Kay Researching Brandt, Sheumaker, Anderson, Kagy, Mohler families ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_d9GkDGfvnod/q9PSWXONCA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:02:39 -0700 From: "Emily" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OHBELMON-L] Belmont Co. Records To: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Message: #6 Here's my two-cents. Perhaps a petition of sorts to show our support and interest regarding these records should be organized. Then, it must be taken to the locals. Contact the historical society, genealogical societies, etc. and plea with them. They aren't going to let just anyone visit those records for this purpose, so we need local backing. A moment toward saving them and getting support from the organizations in the area that have a vested interest is what is needed at this moment...first steps first. THEN, if something can be negociated with some organization, perhaps all these wonderful volunteers could be of help. FYI for the person offering to transcribe, but has never done so....It isn't as easy as it seems and accuracy is so very important. You may need to learn and practice this for your own research (unless you only use the Internet), so I strongly suggest that you order some deeds for your family and practice. I've transcribed records for years and there is a great variety of handwriting and spelling over the centuries. Sometimes the script in the 1600s is easier to read than the more recent centuries. HOWEVER, I suggest this practice in kindness and from a voice of experience....if you don't do it for a while, it takes a bit to get back into the groove. I have even shared doing some transcriptions with others so two pairs of eyes catch everything. Over thirty years of genealogical experience, talking here... <VBG> E Seeking Ogan, Bevin, Barnes, Wickersham, Ary and others in Belmont Co, OH in early 1800s. --Boundary_(ID_d9GkDGfvnod/q9PSWXONCA)--