I believe so. They have a place where you can do your own family tree, so that is probably right. Martha

So are you saying that part that s ays Family Data Collection is just submitted by individuals, and not taken from a documented source? Martha On Oct 8, 2007, at 6:59 PM, HOWARDSARGENT214@cs.com wrote: >> From Martha to Martha. I have given people information about my >> WILLIS family > and they have immediately placed it on Rootsweb and it was all > incorrect, or > they added things that they thought might be right and were not > proven. There > are many of the lines that are erroneous, so just do your own > searches and get > good references as to where it came from. Good Luck in your search. > Martha > Cross Sargent > > > > ANKROM ASHBY AULTS BARNHOUSE BERGER BREECH CLARK CORNELL CROSS > CURRY GROW > HERSMAN HOLCOMB INGRAM LEWIS LIVINGSTON LUKE MCMULLEN MEANS MOWDER > MYER MYERS > OATES OWENS ROSS SARGENT UMENSETTER WATSON WILLIS WOODS ZUMBRO > > Martha Cross Sargent > Data entry Manager - Bios > PA-ROOTS > http://www.pa-roots.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHBELMON- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

>From Martha to Martha. I have given people information about my WILLIS family and they have immediately placed it on Rootsweb and it was all incorrect, or they added things that they thought might be right and were not proven. There are many of the lines that are erroneous, so just do your own searches and get good references as to where it came from. Good Luck in your search. Martha Cross Sargent ANKROM ASHBY AULTS BARNHOUSE BERGER BREECH CLARK CORNELL CROSS CURRY GROW HERSMAN HOLCOMB INGRAM LEWIS LIVINGSTON LUKE MCMULLEN MEANS MOWDER MYER MYERS OATES OWENS ROSS SARGENT UMENSETTER WATSON WILLIS WOODS ZUMBRO Martha Cross Sargent Data entry Manager - Bios PA-ROOTS http://www.pa-roots.com/

Does anybody know where the info from the Family Data Collection on ancestry.com comes from? I have seen the child of a person I am researching listed as born and died within a couple of years, when later I have seen the marriage record ( official) indicating a marriage date for the same individual, same parents, same location. This has been very confusing to me. Any words of wisdom from you folks?? Martha

Can anyone tell me if there is a will for Benjamin Howell who died about 1830 in Belmont Co. Flushing Twp.? I am interested in the names of his children. I believe he had sons Daniel and Jonathan who moved to Shelby Co. Ohio. Any help with this family would be appreciated. Jayne

Martha, is the birth year the same, too? Because we have a case in our family where a baby died, and they used the name again on another child. Nancy

Being "burnt" in the hand was for both painful punishment and for branding. It was a form of British justice that we apparently inherited on the frontier. Long prison sentences were not practical, and so this was done. Generally "T" for thief or "M" for manslaughter. It was also for identification of repeat offenders. A conviction for a man who already had a brand would result in a death penalty. The burnt hand sentence was carried out on the brother of my ggg-grandfather in Williamsburg, Virginia in 1777 after he was convicted of manslaughter. . Neil E. In a message dated 10/8/2007 2:20:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jberry@indy.rr.com writes: Also, does anyone have an idea about what the burning was for? Was it punishment or was it more like the mark of Caine, a brand to show he was a bad guy... or possibly worse. On Oct 8, 2007, at 2:54 PM, Sandra Ferguson wrote: > ca 1804....Jonathan Meigs, Samuel Huntington and Wm Spriggs were on > the > bench. > The grand jury was composed of Elias Ellis, foreman, > Francis Bowen, > Valentine Ault, George DeLong, Edward Milliner, Samuel Brown, John > Bradshaw, > Risson Masters, John Boyd, Joshua Hatcher, Arthur Morrison, Michael > Carrol > and Edward Bryson. > A jury was impaneled consisting of Levi Okey, Andrew > Marshall, John > Dungan, Moses Given, John Nichol, James E. Newell, Arch McElroy, > Wm. Hulse, > Robert Giffin, Benjamin Masters, Wm. Woods and Isaac Hogue. > Jacob Nagle was appointed as prosecutor, and the jury > brought in a > unique verdict - > "not guilty of murder, only guilty of feloniously killing the said > John > Holdz." Sunderland was sentenced to pay all the costs and be > burned upon > his hand...the burning took place at the scene of the murder, on main > Street, St Clairsville, just west of the court house! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHBELMON- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHBELMON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

This was probably another word for branding...where letters were branded in easily seen portions of the body, to 'warn' others of your past 'history' ....I can't be sure they used in Belmont, but know that in other places, there were different brands for different crimes. S. "Also, does anyone have an idea about what the burning was for? Was it punishment or was it more like the mark of Caine, a brand to show he was a bad guy..."

I'm sure most anywhere on the edge of civilization was pretty wild and wooly...but, they sure did work to 'civilize' their lives, with courts and constables, and laws. I'm always amazed at how quickly areas set up the 'rules and regulations' they wished to live by! S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jae BROWN" <jberry@indy.rr.com> To: <ohbelmon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [OHBELMON] First murder trial in Belmont Co > > LOL Wow. that is an incredible item, Sandra. > > Those were some wild and wooly times. > > On Oct 8, 2007, at 2:54 PM, Sandra Ferguson wrote: > >> "not guilty of murder, only guilty of feloniously killing the said >> John >> Holdz." Sunderland was sentenced to pay all the costs and be >> burned upon >> his hand...the burning took place at the scene of the murder, on main >> Street, St Clairsville, just west of the court house! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHBELMON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1055 - Release Date: 10/7/2007 > 10:24 AM > >

Just a sidenote, but Jacob Nagle was probably the attorney for the defense, not the prosecution, in the Sunderland trial. From History of Belmont and Jefferson Counties, by J.A. Caldwell, p. 228: "The first lawyer to locate in St. Clairsville was Jacob Nagle....He defended Peter Sunderland, the first person indicted in the Belmont county courts for murder, in 1804, and through his fine management and stirring eloquence induced a jury of twelve persons to bring in that singular verdict (see early judiciary) thus saving his client from being hanged." See also the Clerk of Courts Appearance Docket, Vol I, which lists: Attorneys for the State: CH and SK Attorneys for the Defendant: JN, OI, NL, DC My guess is that Charles Hammond was prosecutor and Jacob Nagle led up the defense. steve gaskill

Also, does anyone have an idea about what the burning was for? Was it punishment or was it more like the mark of Caine, a brand to show he was a bad guy... or possibly worse. On Oct 8, 2007, at 2:54 PM, Sandra Ferguson wrote: > ca 1804....Jonathan Meigs, Samuel Huntington and Wm Spriggs were on > the > bench. > The grand jury was composed of Elias Ellis, foreman, > Francis Bowen, > Valentine Ault, George DeLong, Edward Milliner, Samuel Brown, John > Bradshaw, > Risson Masters, John Boyd, Joshua Hatcher, Arthur Morrison, Michael > Carrol > and Edward Bryson. > A jury was impaneled consisting of Levi Okey, Andrew > Marshall, John > Dungan, Moses Given, John Nichol, James E. Newell, Arch McElroy, > Wm. Hulse, > Robert Giffin, Benjamin Masters, Wm. Woods and Isaac Hogue. > Jacob Nagle was appointed as prosecutor, and the jury > brought in a > unique verdict - > "not guilty of murder, only guilty of feloniously killing the said > John > Holdz." Sunderland was sentenced to pay all the costs and be > burned upon > his hand...the burning took place at the scene of the murder, on main > Street, St Clairsville, just west of the court house! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHBELMON- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

LOL Wow. that is an incredible item, Sandra. Those were some wild and wooly times. On Oct 8, 2007, at 2:54 PM, Sandra Ferguson wrote: > "not guilty of murder, only guilty of feloniously killing the said > John > Holdz." Sunderland was sentenced to pay all the costs and be > burned upon > his hand...the burning took place at the scene of the murder, on main > Street, St Clairsville, just west of the court house!

Martha, Family Data Collections have been submitted by individuals. I have seen numerous errors (when compared to my research/conclusions) - so reader beware - they are great places to start, but do not take them as fact until you have proven through your own research. Unless I have corresponded with the submitter and they can provide sources - I record them as theories, not fact. And if I pass information on, I state that this what "I think" and it is not proven. Over the years (the last 7-8 at least) postings have become more numerous - and more questionable - some people add to their tree what ever they stumble across. I have found cases where the children were born AFTER the mother died, or before she was born, or when the mother was 65 years old. So, let common sense need prevail. SueEd NY Martha --- martha johnson <mjohnson049@columbus.rr.com> wrote: > Does anybody know where the info from the Family Data Collection on > ancestry.com comes from? > > > > I have seen the child of a person I am researching listed as born > and died within a couple of years, when later I have seen the > marriage record ( official) indicating a marriage date for the same > individual, same parents, same location. > > This has been very confusing to me. > > Any words of wisdom from you folks?? > > Martha > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHBELMON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658

I agree wholeheartedly. Very early on in my research "career", I submitted a gedcom to ancestry. It seemed like a good idea at the time - get my info out there so those researching the same lines would see it and be able to find me, etc. However, there was a number of things in my gedcom that were either incomplete, erroneous, or just those folks I added to my database just for future reference to help sort out families while I was researching. After I figured things out a little more, realized some of the mistakes, and discovered that ancestry was charging people to use the information I gave them for free, I wrote and called several times asking that my gedcom be removed, but it is still there, seven years later. Based on mistakes, certain place names, etc, I have seen things all over the internet on various sites that I know for a fact came originally from my information. I have to admit, I am a big fan of Ancestry as a research tool, but I would never again submit a gedcom to any site. I will certainly share all that I have with any researcher who asks, but if any other companies want my stuff, they'll have to get it from someone else :) Chris Staats HOWARDSARGENT214@cs.com wrote:There are many of the lines that are erroneous, so just do your own searches and get good references as to where it came from.

ca 1804....Jonathan Meigs, Samuel Huntington and Wm Spriggs were on the bench. The grand jury was composed of Elias Ellis, foreman, Francis Bowen, Valentine Ault, George DeLong, Edward Milliner, Samuel Brown, John Bradshaw, Risson Masters, John Boyd, Joshua Hatcher, Arthur Morrison, Michael Carrol and Edward Bryson. A jury was impaneled consisting of Levi Okey, Andrew Marshall, John Dungan, Moses Given, John Nichol, James E. Newell, Arch McElroy, Wm. Hulse, Robert Giffin, Benjamin Masters, Wm. Woods and Isaac Hogue. Jacob Nagle was appointed as prosecutor, and the jury brought in a unique verdict - "not guilty of murder, only guilty of feloniously killing the said John Holdz." Sunderland was sentenced to pay all the costs and be burned upon his hand...the burning took place at the scene of the murder, on main Street, St Clairsville, just west of the court house!

The first constables and election supervisors of Belmont Co....1803 Kirkwood twp - constables, Wm Congleton and Thomas Richards and supervisors, Thomas Richards, Wm Boggs, Joshua Hatcher and James Knowles. Pultney - Constables, Philip Dover and Joseph Lashley; supervisors, Jacob Repshire and David Wherry. York - Constable, Samuel Dille; supervisors John Dille, Ephraim Bates & Michael Moore. At this session of court, a license was granted Ananias Randall for keeping a house of public entertainment, and Jacob Holtz was licensed to keep a tavern in St. Clairsville. The first records of the meeting of the Supreme Court was on June 28, 1803, at Pultney. The presiding judges were Samuel Huntington and Wm Spriggs, and Elijah Woods was appointed clerk. At this court Charles Hammond was appointed US prosecutor and Daniel Barney was admitted to practice. The name of Newellstown was changed to ST Clairsville, in honor of Gov St Clair. The change of the county seat from Pultney to St Clairsville apparently came about during a gala held in Newellsville, in which General ST Clair was 'wined and dined', and agreed to the changing of the towns's name in his honor, AND to being the county seat instead of Pultney. Thus, on April 1, 1803, the first general Assembly of Ohio was held in Chillicothe, who appointed a committee to examine the possibility of the county seat being moved to St Clairsville, and in April of 1804, the seat of justice WAS moved to St Clairsville. The first Court of Quarter sessions was presided over by Judge Pease, and held in the house of Wm Congleton, of St Clairsville, on April 16, 1804.

In Vol. G of the Belmont County deeds, John MARING patented NW 1/4 S 15 T 7 R 6, Marietta district, on 3 Jul 1818, recorded in Vol. 26, p. 237; entered 12 Nov 1819. I'm assuming you have his will produced in court 19 Nov 1821 by Sarah MARING, extx., giving a land description and referring to the eldest son Moses and a youngest daughter (the latter of whom remained unnamed along with any other surviving children). Witnesses were Josiah TURNER, Ezekiel DAVIS, and Homer GIBBONS (his mark). But I also found John MARRING as an appraiser for John BELL's estate along with Hugh PARKS and Jacob LASH, Junr. Purchasers at sale included Moses MERRING (or MERING), Zephaniah BELL, Jacob LASH, Andrew MERRING, John MERRING, and Peter BELL. Some items were left to the widow Sarah BELL. Hope that might give you some new clues. Lorraine lorraineq@juno.com On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:07:00 -0400 "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@ntelos.net> writes: > I find nothing early on the Maring family...not in the 1806 or 1810 > tax > records. > > . Jas. S. Maring was a private in Co E. 15th REgt. OVI, recruited > in > Belmont Co, SEpt, 1861. > Joel M Maring was a 3rd Lieut. in Co E, 62nd Regt OVI, mustered into > service > Oct, 1861. > > Phineas Marling served as a Pvt in the Co of WM > Stephenson...probably > mustered in Bel. Co....served Sept 1813-Sept 1814. > > > marriages in the Belmont County records; > Moses Maring married Sally Davis, Nov 13, 1817...this record is in > the > courthouse records and may be found at the LDS on films > 0317290-0317294 > > Peter Maring m Nancy Finch, 9-22-1814 > Pheneus '' m Ann Lash 8-8-1811 > Philip " m. Sarah Lash 10-28-1813 > > > Sandra > > " just wondered if you have seen anything on the Maring family. My > Maring > ancestors were in Belmont County beginning at least as far back as > 1817 > when Moses Maring married Mary Ellen (Elenor) Monroe. He was the > son of > John Maring who died in Belmont Co. in 1821 and Sarah Bell who died > there > in 1861. > > Would appreciate knowing if any of the Maring or Monroe family is > in the > book. Thanks very much for your time and effort." > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHBELMON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Well said, Bill! Nancy F. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hi all. Not long ago a read a book about the Whisky Rebellion. While the epicenter of that was in PA, other frontier areas sent men for at least meetings to talk/plan what to do. According to the book, it was almost a deliberately caused event by Hamilton and other holders of old bonds from the Rev. War. Part of Hamilton's reason was to set up the concept of a central authority and bank. Prominently, the topic of wealthy men in the east owning huge tracts of land was brought up. Their problem was that people would move onto the land and settle -- and not want to pay rent. Among those landowners (who were doing things that were illegal) was one George Washington, the then President of the US. Bill Dalton

In a message dated 10/6/2007 9:45:22 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Nkflds@aol.com writes: > For many of us, the name "squatter" > brings up negative thoughts of people stealing land that belongs to someone > > else. What actually happened is something quite to the contrary. In the > mid > to late 1700's, there were no land offices. Land was claimed by "tomahawk > marks" high up on trees to mark property boundaries. This was done by all > the > early settlers. Well, not really. The reason there were no land offices in OH in the mid-late 1700s was that the land still belonged to the Indians and it was not available to the whites for settlement. Not until the OH Company purchased its land and founded Marietta in 1788 was it legal to settle in OH. However, there were numerous people who moved across the Ohio River as the land there was too good to resist. There were numerous military expeditions sent out from Fort Pitt and Fort McIntosh in PA in the 1780s to try and shoo the squatters back across the river, with little or no success. The soldiers burned down the cabins, ruined the crops, etc but still the people stayed. When the land was finally available legally, through a land office, many of them tried to purchase the land they had put so much effort into, but weren't always able to. At first, the Govt required land to be purchased in full sections (640 acres), and most of the squatters had no such funds available to them and were forced to move on. Sometimes they were able to band together and purchase a section, to be divided among themselves afterwards. The Govt saw the error of its ways and soon lowered the limit on how much land had to be bought, making it possible for smaller parcels to be sold to folks with less money than the Big-Money Speculators <g>. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com