Debbie, Very well written. I support you completely and further believe that Mark souold continue his very fine work and that he should have complete access to all source in furtherance of that work. John Cheney Bielsteiu

Thanks. I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong idea about the original postings. Mark and the Society have always had a good relationship and the same goal of helping people with their research. Neither of us meant to "wrong" the other and I do apologize to mark and anyone on the list who misunderstood. I believe that Mark is going to continue the website and hopefully together, we can get all information available to those researching in Allen County. Debbie Carder Mayes http://allencogenealogysociety.homestead.com/Main.html www.tribalpages.com/tribes/deb6102 www.tribalpages.com/tribes/dac6102 www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue" <pode@cox.net> To: <ohallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] cemeteries Index > That would be a wonderful idea. I don't know which cemeteries my people > are > in. And unfortunately I was not aware of Mark's site until all this > discussion started. > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: ohallen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohallen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Debbie Carder > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:42 AM > To: ohallen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OHALLEN] cemeteries > > > > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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That would be a wonderful idea. I don't know which cemeteries my people are in. And unfortunately I was not aware of Mark's site until all this discussion started. Sue -----Original Message----- From: ohallen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohallen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Carder Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:42 AM To: ohallen@rootsweb.com Subject: [OHALLEN] cemeteries

Having the index online would be a great help for people to decide which book they want or if they need the book. I personally don't want to buy a book and then find out that the info I need is not in it but if there is a lot in a book and I may discover more ancestors in it later, I do want the book. I could go to the library and look at the books but I have so many ancestors in Bath Township and in Hardin and Logan Counties that it was more practical for me to have my own copies. As I find more ancestors, I go back through the books and frequently find the newly discovered ancestors in them and info on them. Mark and I are discussing the idea of having him post the Society's indexes online so that researchers can determine which cemeteries their ancestors are in and request the info without buying the books or going to the library if they only have a few ancestors buried in a township or determining which books would be to their advantage to have if they have numerous ancestors buried in a cemetery and posting info on cemeteries that are not listed elsewhere. Mark and the Society have always had a great relationship with each other and a common goal of getting the information to the public. We both wish to continue being able to do this in a manner that gets the most information to the public that benefits all researchers. Debbie Carder Mayes http://allencogenealogysociety.homestead.com/Main.html www.tribalpages.com/tribes/deb6102 www.tribalpages.com/tribes/dac6102 www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/

Mark is free to post listings. That is not the issue. What the copyright infringement was is directly copying from the book without citing the source or getting permission to use the material exactly as another has created it. The Society has no copyright on the public records only on their original works. No one can use what it not in the public domain without citing it or obtaining permission until the copy right years have past. Anything that is an original creation is automatically copyrighted. There are websites explain copyrights online if more explanation is needed. No one asked Mark to take his site down. I feel that he does a great service for people and should continue. All he was asked was to not scan the pages directly onto the cite but make them his original creation not a copy of someone else's work. I agree that public records should be available to all. Volunteers spend countless hours compiling these books which often contain material that most people would have difficulty obtaining on their own. Those who cannot or don't wish to purchase books can find them in the many libraries and genealogy societies that we have given books to (free) and go to our website or write us and ask for what they need. Many libraries and societies charge a fee for research. We don't. We frequently refer people to Mark's website and have a link for it on ours. We also refer people to the Delphos website for the Marion Township cemeteries which have not been published elsewhere. I, too, agree that Mark should continue his website. There should be as many sources to do research as possible but they should contain different materials and be original to the compiler, author, or website master. I hope this clarifies the issue for those who misunderstood what it was. No one has claimed copyright on public records. Well known genealogy lecturer and author, Amy Johnson Crow does a lecture and has written a book on copyright based on her own experience with copyright issues. More information can be found at www.copytight.gov and on Cyndi's list, www.cyndislist.com. Debbie Carder Mayes http://allencogenealogysociety.homestead.com/Main.html www.tribalpages.com/tribes/deb6102 www.tribalpages.com/tribes/dac6102 www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <billbobb@bright.net> To: <ohallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:31 AM Subject: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates > It seems to me that cooler heads should prevail and maybe a simple > compromise should be worked out. > Having just published a family history book, and having had same > copyrighted, I am familiar with many of the copyright laws. While it is > true that one may not copyright "public records", one may copyright a work > that compiles "public records". What is copyrighted is the format in which > they are presented. > Societies make money by compiling this data and selling same. Their work > and efforts need to be protected. A few years ago, I had to help resolve a > dispute between two societies, where one have complied such a book and the > other took it and had it published, and sold same. Societies are now urged > to place copyrights on their works. > If someone takes the work of the society and distributes same for free, > how is that fair to the society, who has spent time and money publishing > their work. > But if I understand Debbie correctly, the society does not object to > Mark's website. He seems to be upset with the tone of the message he got. > If the society would agree, Mark could use some of their material on this > site, and give them credit and note that the book as compiled by the > society is copyrighted. > I know that Mark thought he was doing everyone a favor, but there are > society members who spent hours reading the cemeteries and then indexing > and compiling the information, so it could be put in book form and sold. > This allows the society to make money and do their projects and programs. > (and keep dues low) > > I would hope that both sides discuss this further and maybe find middle > ground and resolve this situation. > > Bill Huber > > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems to me that cooler heads should prevail and maybe a simple compromise should be worked out. Having just published a family history book, and having had same copyrighted, I am familiar with many of the copyright laws. While it is true that one may not copyright "public records", one may copyright a work that compiles "public records". What is copyrighted is the format in which they are presented. Societies make money by compiling this data and selling same. Their work and efforts need to be protected. A few years ago, I had to help resolve a dispute between two societies, where one have complied such a book and the other took it and had it published, and sold same. Societies are now urged to place copyrights on their works. If someone takes the work of the society and distributes same for free, how is that fair to the society, who has spent time and money publishing their work. But if I understand Debbie correctly, the society does not object to Mark's website. He seems to be upset with the tone of the message he got. If the society would agree, Mark could use some of their material on this site, and give them credit and note that the book as compiled by the society is copyrighted. I know that Mark thought he was doing everyone a favor, but there are society members who spent hours reading the cemeteries and then indexing and compiling the information, so it could be put in book form and sold. This allows the society to make money and do their projects and programs. (and keep dues low) I would hope that both sides discuss this further and maybe find middle ground and resolve this situation. Bill Huber

Mark: Would you be willing to accept contributions of information from those of us researching our families in Allen County, and use that information on your site? I have information on burials (as well as pictures of headstones) that I would be willing to submit. It certainly wouldn't be as complete as your site was, but it would still be a way for some of the information to be available (especially those of us who do not live in and around Allen County). Thank you for the work you put into the site. It was a tremendous help to me when I first started my research. Diane Mancini

I wish that I lived in the area and could help. I could make it possible for Mark to publish the information online by visiting the cemeteries myself and contributing my own transcriptions. Maybe one day I will be able to help. Bill <billbobb@bright.net> wrote: It seems to me that cooler heads should prevail and maybe a simple compromise should be worked out. Having just published a family history book, and having had same copyrighted, I am familiar with many of the copyright laws. While it is true that one may not copyright "public records", one may copyright a work that compiles "public records". What is copyrighted is the format in which they are presented. Societies make money by compiling this data and selling same. Their work and efforts need to be protected. A few years ago, I had to help resolve a dispute between two societies, where one have complied such a book and the other took it and had it published, and sold same. Societies are now urged to place copyrights on their works. If someone takes the work of the society and distributes same for free, how is that fair to the society, who has spent time and money publishing their work. But if I understand Debbie correctly, the society does not object to Mark's website. He seems to be upset with the tone of the message he got. If the society would agree, Mark could use some of their material on this site, and give them credit and note that the book as compiled by the society is copyrighted. I know that Mark thought he was doing everyone a favor, but there are society members who spent hours reading the cemeteries and then indexing and compiling the information, so it could be put in book form and sold. This allows the society to make money and do their projects and programs. (and keep dues low) I would hope that both sides discuss this further and maybe find middle ground and resolve this situation. Bill Huber Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.

For some reason Ms.. Carder choose to inform me of by e-mail of those copyright laws. I decided not to reply to her until I got a better understanding of what I had I gotten myself into defending Mark and his web site. Since Mark you have answered Ms Carder. I will withdraw from this discussion . I still feel that Mark and his good work has been wronged. And I feel public records should be put out there for people who can not afford to buy every information that they need.. If the Allen Co. Gen. Soc. wants to sell it fine, but I do not believe they should claim copyright on what is public records. So I am done . Norita Shepherd Moss Homosassa, FL mossnb1@earthlink.net Find out what God would have you do, And do that little well; For what is great and what is small The Lord alone can tell.___Anon EarthLink Revolves Around You. > [Original Message] > From: Mark Gierhart <markg@watchtv.net> > To: Debbie Carder <dcarder2@woh.rr.com>; <ohallen@rootsweb.com> > Date: 1/27/2007 11:15:42 PM > Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates > > Debbie, > > First, I do want to state that you are correct, the Society did not ask > me > to remove my website. However, since my website is 70% made up from > materials which are now ACGS copyrighted, I see no reason to continue. Also > you mentioned for me to use information that is not yet published by the > Society.. To me this > means, next month, if the material(s) are published, I'd again be using what > will > become Copyrighted material.. No way to win on this one! > > When I first started , toward making site, I spent hours and hours > looking up materials, for free, > at the Historical Museum... Researchers would e-mail me their requests, I'd > visit the > Museum, hand writing into my tablets the cemetery information, then e-mail > the > researcher back... After months of accumultating this researched data, I > decided to post > the information on a website for others to view.. It cut down on a lot of > duplicate e-mail requests. > > As I'm sure you know, hand writing pages of published material is very > time consuming.. Several > months later the Society starting compiling the cemetery notebooks and > published several (3 at that time) > cemetery books.. It was at this time I requested and was granted permission > to use this books to continue > my website posting.. I had a Hand Scanner and was able to scan each page, > and with OCR software > post directly to a Web Page, cutting my posting time greatly.. > > This whole project was designed to help "out of towners"; those that are > not able to visit > Allen County to do their own research. I have never received any type of > payment, and had even > purchased the books that I used for posting of material. The material that > was posted on the website, > like the copyrighted books, came from a variey of sources; from stone > inscriptions I took, from > other researchers (correcting the errors they have found) , newspaper obits > etc... > > So for me to "weed through" the posted information on the Web Site and > remove ACGS copyrighted > material would be very time consuming if not impossible.. Hence - removal of > website... And Mr. Brogee's > E-mail to me containing the name of his Attorney was a bit much.... > > Mark > > > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Debbie, Well written. You make a lot a sense. In my opinion, everone should have access to all material with this provision. That they do not use the information for personal profit. Please allow everyone to have the ability to acquire Genealogical information for their own personnal research. John Cheney Bielstein

Debbie, First, I do want to state that you are correct, the Society did not ask me to remove my website. However, since my website is 70% made up from materials which are now ACGS copyrighted, I see no reason to continue. Also you mentioned for me to use information that is not yet published by the Society.. To me this means, next month, if the material(s) are published, I'd again be using what will become Copyrighted material.. No way to win on this one! When I first started , toward making site, I spent hours and hours looking up materials, for free, at the Historical Museum... Researchers would e-mail me their requests, I'd visit the Museum, hand writing into my tablets the cemetery information, then e-mail the researcher back... After months of accumultating this researched data, I decided to post the information on a website for others to view.. It cut down on a lot of duplicate e-mail requests. As I'm sure you know, hand writing pages of published material is very time consuming.. Several months later the Society starting compiling the cemetery notebooks and published several (3 at that time) cemetery books.. It was at this time I requested and was granted permission to use this books to continue my website posting.. I had a Hand Scanner and was able to scan each page, and with OCR software post directly to a Web Page, cutting my posting time greatly.. This whole project was designed to help "out of towners"; those that are not able to visit Allen County to do their own research. I have never received any type of payment, and had even purchased the books that I used for posting of material. The material that was posted on the website, like the copyrighted books, came from a variey of sources; from stone inscriptions I took, from other researchers (correcting the errors they have found) , newspaper obits etc... So for me to "weed through" the posted information on the Web Site and remove ACGS copyrighted material would be very time consuming if not impossible.. Hence - removal of website... And Mr. Brogee's E-mail to me containing the name of his Attorney was a bit much.... Mark

Thanks, John Debbie Carder Mayes http://allencogenealogysociety.homestead.com/Main.html www.tribalpages.com/tribes/deb6102 www.tribalpages.com/tribes/dac6102 www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <jkbiel@att.net> To: <ohallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates > Debbie, Well written. You make a lot a sense. In my opinion, everone > should have access to all material with this provision. That they do not > use the information for personal profit. Please allow everyone to have the > ability to acquire Genealogical information for their own personnal > research. > John Cheney Bielstein > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Norita, Been awhile since we corresponded. It is not greed at all, and the ACGS did not ask Mark to take down his site, his site is valuable and I am always recommending researchers visit there. I have worked closely with many genealogy societies through the years, the publications are a very small money maker, the money is used to purchase more county research material and believe me it takes allot of time and volunteers to compile one book. I compiled 4 books for a society that took allot of my own money to get the master copy done for printing. Just like the time, money and hours put into any society's books. Some of the work compiled in the publications were not public records, but was given permission to be copied by the society. If anyone has questions or remarks about the Allen County Genealogy Society publications, please contact me privately. Gloria Motter mottergloria@yahoo.com How anyone could take public records and claim them as their work is be on me. So many genealogists have worked so hard to preserve their and our heritage for our families. This leaves a bad taste for many of to share our info with anyone else. Mark I feel so bad for you and the rest of us and angry that greed is keeping our " Public" Records from helping someone else!!!!! Norita Shepherd Moss

Please read the copyright laws. All published, compilations of public records and all published materials, including newspapers are copyrighted for 120 years. I'm sorry that people misunderstood what Mark was saying & I hope that he does not take his website down because he has material on it that is not published and not readily available to many people. All genealogy societies and many private individuals do compilations of public records. This is for the convenience of those who cannot go to the cemeteries themselves or know where to get the records. Cemetery books are not just listings of the stones, but normally include the funeral home records, burial permits, information from stones that are illegible or missing. We do not claim anyone else's work. It is a lot of work for the compilers of such work to obtain the actual records and compile such books. Most societies or individuals who do such publications do not make a profit. All the price of the publication does is cover the cost of publishing it. No one forces anyone to buy such compilations. You can contact the Society and request lookups or track down all the records on your own, however, some cemeteries and funeral homes no longer exist and many people don't know how to find these records. Compilers of public records are doing a service to help. There is no greed involved. Also, take note, the Genealogy Society did not ask Mark to remove his cite, only not to directly copy material from our books or use the material without citing his source. Debbie Carder Mayes http://allencogenealogysociety.homestead.com/Main.html www.tribalpages.com/tribes/deb6102 www.tribalpages.com/tribes/dac6102 www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norita Moss" <mossnb1@earthlink.net> To: <ohallen@rootsweb.com>; "Mark Gierhart" <markg@watchtv.net>; <ohallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates > How anyone could take public records and claim them as their work is be on > me. So many genealogists have worked so hard to preserve their and our > heritage for our families. This leaves a bad taste for many of to share > our info with anyone else. Mark I feel so bad for you and the rest of us > and angry that greed is keeping our " Public" Records from helping > someone > else!!!!! > > Norita Shepherd Moss > Homosassa, FL > mossnb1@earthlink.net > Find out what God would have you do, > And do that little well; > For what is great and what is small > The Lord alone can tell.___Anon > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Debbie Carder <dcarder2@woh.rr.com> >> To: Mark Gierhart <markg@watchtv.net>; <ohallen@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 1/27/2007 6:19:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates >> >> Mark, >> I think you should keep your website because you have info on the >> cemeteries that we have not published and the locations and pictures. I >> think that what you do is a great service for people and I refer people > to >> your website frequently. It would be a shame to take it down. >> I see no reason why there is not "room" for both. There are many >> cemeteries in Allen County that we have not read and published yet. > There >> are the old readings in notebooks at the museum library that are not >> copyrighted. You could use these for listings on your website. That way, >> those that are not available in published books would be out there for >> people who need the information. >> We're all doing the same thing (genealogy). I hope that we can all work >> together to accomplish the goals of getting the information to the > public. >> I would encourage you to keep your website but continue as you have in > the >> past doing listings for the other cemeteries that are not readily > available. >> Debbie Carder Mayes, Vice-president, Allen County Genealogy Society >> >> http://allencogenealogysociety.homestead.com/Main.html >> >> www.tribalpages.com/tribes/deb6102 >> >> www.tribalpages.com/tribes/dac6102 >> >> www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Gierhart" <markg@watchtv.net> >> To: <mossnb1@earthlink.net>; <ohallen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 5:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates >> >> >> >I will write a quick reply and statement, and then move on. >> > >> > About 6 years ago before I designed and built The Allen County >> > Cemetery Website, I contacted the Allen County Genealogy Society >> > asking for permission to web publish (post) information from their >> > Cemetery >> > Books.. At that time there was no Copyright listed within the books, >> > and >> > I felt this was a common courtesy thing to do.. I got a return e-mail > from >> > the President (at that time) of the Society stating that there was no >> > problem >> > with doing so... >> > >> > A week ago, of course after I posted that I was starting to update my > site >> > with additional information, the present President e-mails me stating >> > Copyright >> > issues with me posting such information.. There is now a statement on >> > their >> > website, stating that both present and past books fall under this >> > Copyright >> > material law.. I might add it is dated 1-20-2007.. >> > >> > I do understand they are selling these books online to make money for > the >> > Society, so I have agreed to remove all of my posted information from >> > the website. I imagine RootsWeb will completely remove the site soon. >> > >> > Thanks to everyone for visiting the website, and good luck with your >> > searches. >> > >> > Oh yeah - Please continue supporting your local Genealogy Societies.. >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Norita Moss" <mossnb1@earthlink.net> >> > To: <ohallen@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:08 PM >> > Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates >> > >> > >> >> >> >> I have just went to Mark's site and found he is not doing anymore work > on >> >> his great cemetery page. Please tell me this is a mistake Mark!!!! > This >> >> is >> >> one of the few places where I can confirm Allen County family. If it > is >> >> true than may I thank you for all of us who have enjoyed the info you >> >> have >> >> provided us all these years. Thanks for all the hard work. >> >> >> >> Norita Shepherd Moss >> >> Homosassa, FL >> >> mossnb1@earthlink.net >> >> Find out what God would have you do, >> >> And do that little well; >> >> For what is great and what is small >> >> The Lord alone can tell.___Anon >> >> >> >> >> >> EarthLink Revolves Around You. >> >> >> >> >> >>> [Original Message] >> >>> From: Mark Gierhart <markg@watchtv.net> >> >>> T >> >>> Date: 1/20/2007 10:46:24 PM >> >>> Subject: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates >> >>> >> >>> I have just finished adding the following Downloadable Spreadsheets > to >> >>> my >> >> Cemetery Webpage: >> >>> >> >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohalncem/cemetery.html >> >>> >> >>> Richland Twsp. - Old Swiss/Old Mennonite Cemetery >> >>> >> >>> Spencer Twsp. - West Union Cemetery >> >>> >> >>> I hope to have finish the very large Spencerville Cemetery and then >> >>> start >> >> on Amanda Twsp... >> >>> >> >>> I am also adding spreadsheets to all of the already posted >> >>> cemeteries. >> >> This will give you >> >>> something that can be printed out on your home printer. >> >>> >> >>> I'll keep everyone posted. >> >>> >> >>> Mark Gierhart >> >>> >> >>> Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. >> >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes >> >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How anyone could take public records and claim them as their work is be on me. So many genealogists have worked so hard to preserve their and our heritage for our families. This leaves a bad taste for many of to share our info with anyone else. Mark I feel so bad for you and the rest of us and angry that greed is keeping our " Public" Records from helping someone else!!!!! Norita Shepherd Moss Homosassa, FL mossnb1@earthlink.net Find out what God would have you do, And do that little well; For what is great and what is small The Lord alone can tell.___Anon EarthLink Revolves Around You. > [Original Message] > From: Debbie Carder <dcarder2@woh.rr.com> > To: Mark Gierhart <markg@watchtv.net>; <ohallen@rootsweb.com> > Date: 1/27/2007 6:19:20 PM > Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates > > Mark, > I think you should keep your website because you have info on the > cemeteries that we have not published and the locations and pictures. I > think that what you do is a great service for people and I refer people to > your website frequently. It would be a shame to take it down. > I see no reason why there is not "room" for both. There are many > cemeteries in Allen County that we have not read and published yet. There > are the old readings in notebooks at the museum library that are not > copyrighted. You could use these for listings on your website. That way, > those that are not available in published books would be out there for > people who need the information. > We're all doing the same thing (genealogy). I hope that we can all work > together to accomplish the goals of getting the information to the public. > I would encourage you to keep your website but continue as you have in the > past doing listings for the other cemeteries that are not readily available. > Debbie Carder Mayes, Vice-president, Allen County Genealogy Society > > http://allencogenealogysociety.homestead.com/Main.html > > www.tribalpages.com/tribes/deb6102 > > www.tribalpages.com/tribes/dac6102 > > www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Gierhart" <markg@watchtv.net> > To: <mossnb1@earthlink.net>; <ohallen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates > > > >I will write a quick reply and statement, and then move on. > > > > About 6 years ago before I designed and built The Allen County > > Cemetery Website, I contacted the Allen County Genealogy Society > > asking for permission to web publish (post) information from their > > Cemetery > > Books.. At that time there was no Copyright listed within the books, and > > I felt this was a common courtesy thing to do.. I got a return e-mail from > > the President (at that time) of the Society stating that there was no > > problem > > with doing so... > > > > A week ago, of course after I posted that I was starting to update my site > > with additional information, the present President e-mails me stating > > Copyright > > issues with me posting such information.. There is now a statement on > > their > > website, stating that both present and past books fall under this > > Copyright > > material law.. I might add it is dated 1-20-2007.. > > > > I do understand they are selling these books online to make money for the > > Society, so I have agreed to remove all of my posted information from > > the website. I imagine RootsWeb will completely remove the site soon. > > > > Thanks to everyone for visiting the website, and good luck with your > > searches. > > > > Oh yeah - Please continue supporting your local Genealogy Societies.. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Norita Moss" <mossnb1@earthlink.net> > > To: <ohallen@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates > > > > > >> > >> I have just went to Mark's site and found he is not doing anymore work on > >> his great cemetery page. Please tell me this is a mistake Mark!!!! This > >> is > >> one of the few places where I can confirm Allen County family. If it is > >> true than may I thank you for all of us who have enjoyed the info you > >> have > >> provided us all these years. Thanks for all the hard work. > >> > >> Norita Shepherd Moss > >> Homosassa, FL > >> mossnb1@earthlink.net > >> Find out what God would have you do, > >> And do that little well; > >> For what is great and what is small > >> The Lord alone can tell.___Anon > >> > >> > >> EarthLink Revolves Around You. > >> > >> > >>> [Original Message] > >>> From: Mark Gierhart <markg@watchtv.net> > >>> T > >>> Date: 1/20/2007 10:46:24 PM > >>> Subject: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates > >>> > >>> I have just finished adding the following Downloadable Spreadsheets to > >>> my > >> Cemetery Webpage: > >>> > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohalncem/cemetery.html > >>> > >>> Richland Twsp. - Old Swiss/Old Mennonite Cemetery > >>> > >>> Spencer Twsp. - West Union Cemetery > >>> > >>> I hope to have finish the very large Spencerville Cemetery and then > >>> start > >> on Amanda Twsp... > >>> > >>> I am also adding spreadsheets to all of the already posted cemeteries. > >> This will give you > >>> something that can be printed out on your home printer. > >>> > >>> I'll keep everyone posted. > >>> > >>> Mark Gierhart > >>> > >>> Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mark, I think you should keep your website because you have info on the cemeteries that we have not published and the locations and pictures. I think that what you do is a great service for people and I refer people to your website frequently. It would be a shame to take it down. I see no reason why there is not "room" for both. There are many cemeteries in Allen County that we have not read and published yet. There are the old readings in notebooks at the museum library that are not copyrighted. You could use these for listings on your website. That way, those that are not available in published books would be out there for people who need the information. We're all doing the same thing (genealogy). I hope that we can all work together to accomplish the goals of getting the information to the public. I would encourage you to keep your website but continue as you have in the past doing listings for the other cemeteries that are not readily available. Debbie Carder Mayes, Vice-president, Allen County Genealogy Society http://allencogenealogysociety.homestead.com/Main.html www.tribalpages.com/tribes/deb6102 www.tribalpages.com/tribes/dac6102 www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Gierhart" <markg@watchtv.net> To: <mossnb1@earthlink.net>; <ohallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates >I will write a quick reply and statement, and then move on. > > About 6 years ago before I designed and built The Allen County > Cemetery Website, I contacted the Allen County Genealogy Society > asking for permission to web publish (post) information from their > Cemetery > Books.. At that time there was no Copyright listed within the books, and > I felt this was a common courtesy thing to do.. I got a return e-mail from > the President (at that time) of the Society stating that there was no > problem > with doing so... > > A week ago, of course after I posted that I was starting to update my site > with additional information, the present President e-mails me stating > Copyright > issues with me posting such information.. There is now a statement on > their > website, stating that both present and past books fall under this > Copyright > material law.. I might add it is dated 1-20-2007.. > > I do understand they are selling these books online to make money for the > Society, so I have agreed to remove all of my posted information from > the website. I imagine RootsWeb will completely remove the site soon. > > Thanks to everyone for visiting the website, and good luck with your > searches. > > Oh yeah - Please continue supporting your local Genealogy Societies.. > > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norita Moss" <mossnb1@earthlink.net> > To: <ohallen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates > > >> >> I have just went to Mark's site and found he is not doing anymore work on >> his great cemetery page. Please tell me this is a mistake Mark!!!! This >> is >> one of the few places where I can confirm Allen County family. If it is >> true than may I thank you for all of us who have enjoyed the info you >> have >> provided us all these years. Thanks for all the hard work. >> >> Norita Shepherd Moss >> Homosassa, FL >> mossnb1@earthlink.net >> Find out what God would have you do, >> And do that little well; >> For what is great and what is small >> The Lord alone can tell.___Anon >> >> >> EarthLink Revolves Around You. >> >> >>> [Original Message] >>> From: Mark Gierhart <markg@watchtv.net> >>> T >>> Date: 1/20/2007 10:46:24 PM >>> Subject: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates >>> >>> I have just finished adding the following Downloadable Spreadsheets to >>> my >> Cemetery Webpage: >>> >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohalncem/cemetery.html >>> >>> Richland Twsp. - Old Swiss/Old Mennonite Cemetery >>> >>> Spencer Twsp. - West Union Cemetery >>> >>> I hope to have finish the very large Spencerville Cemetery and then >>> start >> on Amanda Twsp... >>> >>> I am also adding spreadsheets to all of the already posted cemeteries. >> This will give you >>> something that can be printed out on your home printer. >>> >>> I'll keep everyone posted. >>> >>> Mark Gierhart >>> >>> Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mark, I thank you for your exemplary website that has served us so well for these past years, and cannot imagine how devastating this must be to you. I am shocked to hear that copyright laws apply to material that can be found in public documents (death certificates) or is free to the community if they call the cemetery. I had been under the impression this was not able to be copyrighted. Your website has saved many of us countless hours trying to determine which cemetery many of our ancestors were buried in. I want you to know I very much appreciate the information you have shared with us. Sue Roach Ocala, FL -----Original Message----- From: ohallen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohallen-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Mark Gierhart Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 5:27 PM To: mossnb1@earthlink.net; ohallen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates I will write a quick reply and statement, and then move on. About 6 years ago before I designed and built The Allen County Cemetery Website, I contacted the Allen County Genealogy Society asking for permission to web publish (post) information from their Cemetery Books.. At that time there was no Copyright listed within the books, and I felt this was a common courtesy thing to do.. I got a return e-mail from the President (at that time) of the Society stating that there was no problem with doing so... A week ago, of course after I posted that I was starting to update my site with additional information, the present President e-mails me stating Copyright issues with me posting such information.. There is now a statement on their website, stating that both present and past books fall under this Copyright material law.. I might add it is dated 1-20-2007.. I do understand they are selling these books online to make money for the Society, so I have agreed to remove all of my posted information from the website. I imagine RootsWeb will completely remove the site soon. Thanks to everyone for visiting the website, and good luck with your searches. Oh yeah - Please continue supporting your local Genealogy Societies.. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norita Moss" <mossnb1@earthlink.net> To: <ohallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates > > I have just went to Mark's site and found he is not doing anymore work on > his great cemetery page. Please tell me this is a mistake Mark!!!! This is > one of the few places where I can confirm Allen County family. If it is > true than may I thank you for all of us who have enjoyed the info you have > provided us all these years. Thanks for all the hard work. > > Norita Shepherd Moss > Homosassa, FL > mossnb1@earthlink.net > Find out what God would have you do, > And do that little well; > For what is great and what is small > The Lord alone can tell.___Anon > > > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mark Gierhart <markg@watchtv.net> >> T >> Date: 1/20/2007 10:46:24 PM >> Subject: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates >> >> I have just finished adding the following Downloadable Spreadsheets to my > Cemetery Webpage: >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohalncem/cemetery.html >> >> Richland Twsp. - Old Swiss/Old Mennonite Cemetery >> >> Spencer Twsp. - West Union Cemetery >> >> I hope to have finish the very large Spencerville Cemetery and then start > on Amanda Twsp... >> >> I am also adding spreadsheets to all of the already posted cemeteries. > This will give you >> something that can be printed out on your home printer. >> >> I'll keep everyone posted. >> >> Mark Gierhart >> >> Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mark, Thank you for your hard work. You literally saved me many hours of time as I have researched several Allen Co. families for clients. Knowing which cemeteries I needed to visit for tombstone photography before I arrived in Ohio was wonderful and it gave me the extra time to spend exploring other resources. Yolanda Yolanda Campbell Lifter Malabar, FL member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://apgen.org Ohio Family Research http://ohiofamilyresearch.com OH Genealogy http://ohgenealogy.com county coordinator, Brown County, OHGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/brownco county coordinator, Pike County, OHGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/pikeco county coordinator, New Castle County, DEGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/newcastleco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Gierhart" <markg@watchtv.net> To: <mossnb1@earthlink.net>; <ohallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates >I will write a quick reply and statement, and then move on. > > About 6 years ago before I designed and built The Allen County > Cemetery Website, I contacted the Allen County Genealogy Society > asking for permission to web publish (post) information from their > Cemetery > Books.. At that time there was no Copyright listed within the books, and > I felt this was a common courtesy thing to do.. I got a return e-mail from > the President (at that time) of the Society stating that there was no > problem > with doing so... > > A week ago, of course after I posted that I was starting to update my site > with additional information, the present President e-mails me stating > Copyright > issues with me posting such information.. There is now a statement on > their > website, stating that both present and past books fall under this > Copyright > material law.. I might add it is dated 1-20-2007.. > > I do understand they are selling these books online to make money for the > Society, so I have agreed to remove all of my posted information from > the website. I imagine RootsWeb will completely remove the site soon. > > Thanks to everyone for visiting the website, and good luck with your > searches. > > Oh yeah - Please continue supporting your local Genealogy Societies.. > > Mark >

I will write a quick reply and statement, and then move on. About 6 years ago before I designed and built The Allen County Cemetery Website, I contacted the Allen County Genealogy Society asking for permission to web publish (post) information from their Cemetery Books.. At that time there was no Copyright listed within the books, and I felt this was a common courtesy thing to do.. I got a return e-mail from the President (at that time) of the Society stating that there was no problem with doing so... A week ago, of course after I posted that I was starting to update my site with additional information, the present President e-mails me stating Copyright issues with me posting such information.. There is now a statement on their website, stating that both present and past books fall under this Copyright material law.. I might add it is dated 1-20-2007.. I do understand they are selling these books online to make money for the Society, so I have agreed to remove all of my posted information from the website. I imagine RootsWeb will completely remove the site soon. Thanks to everyone for visiting the website, and good luck with your searches. Oh yeah - Please continue supporting your local Genealogy Societies.. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norita Moss" <mossnb1@earthlink.net> To: <ohallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates > > I have just went to Mark's site and found he is not doing anymore work on > his great cemetery page. Please tell me this is a mistake Mark!!!! This is > one of the few places where I can confirm Allen County family. If it is > true than may I thank you for all of us who have enjoyed the info you have > provided us all these years. Thanks for all the hard work. > > Norita Shepherd Moss > Homosassa, FL > mossnb1@earthlink.net > Find out what God would have you do, > And do that little well; > For what is great and what is small > The Lord alone can tell.___Anon > > > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mark Gierhart <markg@watchtv.net> >> T >> Date: 1/20/2007 10:46:24 PM >> Subject: [OHALLEN] Allen County Cemetery Webpage Updates >> >> I have just finished adding the following Downloadable Spreadsheets to my > Cemetery Webpage: >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohalncem/cemetery.html >> >> Richland Twsp. - Old Swiss/Old Mennonite Cemetery >> >> Spencer Twsp. - West Union Cemetery >> >> I hope to have finish the very large Spencerville Cemetery and then start > on Amanda Twsp... >> >> I am also adding spreadsheets to all of the already posted cemeteries. > This will give you >> something that can be printed out on your home printer. >> >> I'll keep everyone posted. >> >> Mark Gierhart >> >> Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > Visit the Allen County OHGenWeb site. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHALLEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >