Hello, Fellow Family Historians! This list has been so helpful over the past several years, I feel called upon to share a triumph! I feel as if we've filled a whole "set" that we were collecting -- Two years ago, all we knew about Dad's grandmother's family was HER name. Then we found her father -- and her mother's first name -- at St. John's Cemetery. Then we found THREE sisters, and her sisters' married surnames (still didn't know their FIRST names) in a death notice at Cleveland Public Library's Necrology Index. Then some FIRST names in Cuyahoga Counties Historic Marriage Database. (And four ways to spell WALSH -- also Welsh, and Walch, and Welch (:-) Then all four sisters and their actual wedding dates were found in a book of St. Malachi marriages at the Fairview Park Library's genealogy section. Then a LIVING McManamon 3rd cousin on the internet, Cousin Adie in Denmark (#1449 in my PAF program) -- and have most of the McManamon side from the time of the WALSH - McMANAMON marriage -- and she has some information to the 1700's. Then we found SAMMON -- via census,.and California death index, and social secutiy death index, -- and now my non-WALSH cousin has found us a SAMMON family descendent on the internet -- and gave him what we have -- but this new guy will only share his family info with actual SAMMON descendents (the last two are in their 80's, live in California, and I haven't met them yet!) -- not with us, who are collateral line only. Sigh. Still, just because he feels that way doesn't mean that we will stop sharing our historical data. And I had some inkling about the WEAVER family, because I'd actually met one of Grandma's cousins, Sadie, back in 1955 -- and I remembered she lived in Clarendon, PA -- and Dad had some memory of cousins who were adults when he was born in 1918, they lived in another state, and he didn't remember meeting them as an adult -- and recalled that two of them had played pro baseball. Names George and Harry. And he thought there were two more brothers -- Dick, for sure. Maybe Tom -- but then he laughed. (Turns out there were Tom, George, Harry -- and Donald). I monitored the RootsWeb Warren County, PA list long enough to get information on how to research in their county (NOTHING on line. Need to know death dates to get death certificates -- no blind searches. Still need to visit, check out the library now that . . . .) Back to the internet -- certainly someone has to be maintaining a database of historical baseball. And there is! Well. For a hot minute, we thought that George "Buck" Weaver, infamous accused Black Sox throw-the-world-series player was OURS. A Black Sheep of our own, I thought. But. Not. Wrong birth date (thanks to three sets of census data). And it turns out that various historians don't believe that Buck was part of it anyway -- some of them pretty passionate about it. So -- even if we could claim him, still no criteria for the Black Sheep club. Still looking -- there's a hint that two Irish ancestors who emigrated to Australia didn't go voluntarily (:-) Back to WEAVER. It took a year before the Baseball web sites locked in on Harry, who played from 1914 to 1919 -- but we got him! Stats and all. Height. Weight. Birthdate. Birthplace. RBI and the works! Then the Cleveland Catholic Diocese came through again -- a baptismal record was found for Dad's grandmother -- and listed HER mother's maiden name. HORAN. And then this week -- On the Rootsweb WEAVER list -- hurray hurray hurray -- another LIVING 3rd cousin (#2640), Harry's granddaughter! -- and we have ALL the WEAVER family from the time of the marriage to WALSH -- and some of the historic WEAVER to about 1820. Ahhhhh. That is a sigh of satisfaction. A QUICK sigh of satisfaction -- because what we found has opened a new window of research: HORAN. All we have is ONE document, handwritten, that has her name on it. Maybe it's MORAN, or HOBAN -- both names are in the family, and we've never seen HORAN before. So first we document THAT. And then . . . more research. Just knowing your great-great-grandmother's maiden name is NOT ENOUGH! Warm regards,and wishing you all good luck in filling your "sets", Karen King Hiatt Rocky River, OH (suburb of Cleveland)