Hello, List -- I found the tombstone for my great-great grandparents, Patrick and Mary Walsh at St. John's Cemetery on Woodland in Cleveland. Her dates: 1832 to 1905. Patrick Walsh: 1826 to 1897 (but for him, we have a death notice: he lived at 139 Detroit Street; and died 6 July 1897). The Cuyahoga County Archives don't have a death certificate (Dad's list on the cemetery deed shows burial in April, 1905), but she's not in the Cleveland Public Library on-line database, under any of 4 spellings of WALSH. We'd surely like to know her maiden name! All four of their daughters married at St. Malachi's -- and Cousin Adrienne in Denmark got those dates from the Catholic Diocese, and some of the witnesses and priest's names. NOTHING about the parents, nothing about where they came from. We found out that the two older daughters were born in New York. Somewhere. The two younger daughters in "Ohio" -- somewhere -- thanks to the Census. So. Does anyone have a suggestion about where we can find some filmed newspaper archives for the Cleveland area for 1905? Or any OTHER suggestions? I'm just getting back to family research (my husband died in October) -- and I think I need a jump-start! Besides, Adrienne is writing to me and jiggling my elbow -- she's finding more information from Denmark than I'm finding in Cleveland! Thanks. Warm regards, Karen

Karen, Saw you message today. Am very sorry to learn about your husband's death. Had he been ill or was it sudden? My prayers. Jim O'Donnell Karen Hiatt wrote: >Hello, List -- > >I found the tombstone for my great-great grandparents, Patrick and Mary >Walsh at St. John's Cemetery on Woodland in Cleveland. > >Her dates: 1832 to 1905. >Patrick Walsh: 1826 to 1897 (but for him, we have a death notice: he lived >at 139 Detroit Street; and died 6 July 1897). > >The Cuyahoga County Archives don't have a death certificate (Dad's list on >the cemetery deed shows burial in April, 1905), but she's not in the >Cleveland Public Library on-line database, under any of 4 spellings of >WALSH. > >We'd surely like to know her maiden name! > >All four of their daughters married at St. Malachi's -- and Cousin Adrienne >in Denmark got those dates from the Catholic Diocese, and some of the >witnesses and priest's names. > >NOTHING about the parents, nothing about where they came from. > >We found out that the two older daughters were born in New York. Somewhere. >The two younger daughters in "Ohio" -- somewhere -- thanks to the Census. > >So. > >Does anyone have a suggestion about where we can find some filmed newspaper >archives for the Cleveland area for 1905? > >Or any OTHER suggestions? > >I'm just getting back to family research (my husband died in October) -- and >I think I need a jump-start! Besides, Adrienne is writing to me and >jiggling my elbow -- she's finding more information from Denmark than I'm >finding in Cleveland! > >Thanks. > >Warm regards, > >Karen > > > >

I know this is true in my family, when the husband died first he was younger meaning he died in his 40s, or 50s. His wife took care of the obit probably because more people knew him, family, friends, co-workers. By the time the wife died at a ripe old age the children felt that everyone she knew had already passed on so no obit was taken out. I have obits for many of my family men but very few for my family women. My grandma just died in April and my mom said 'no' to the funeral director as far as an obit went, Grandma was widowed 20 years and at 89 outlived all but one of her siblings. I convinced my mom it was only right to put it in the paper but even today a small obit in the Plain Dealer is $100.00 Cindy maceltic@clover.net -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hiatt [mailto:Karen@HiattFamily.com] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:48 PM To: OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Mary Walsh -- died 1905 -- need help finding death notice Hello, List -- I found the tombstone for my great-great grandparents, Patrick and Mary Walsh at St. John's Cemetery on Woodland in Cleveland. Her dates: 1832 to 1905. Patrick Walsh: 1826 to 1897 (but for him, we have a death notice: he lived at 139 Detroit Street; and died 6 July 1897). The Cuyahoga County Archives don't have a death certificate (Dad's list on the cemetery deed shows burial in April, 1905), but she's not in the Cleveland Public Library on-line database, under any of 4 spellings of WALSH. We'd surely like to know her maiden name! All four of their daughters married at St. Malachi's -- and Cousin Adrienne in Denmark got those dates from the Catholic Diocese, and some of the witnesses and priest's names. NOTHING about the parents, nothing about where they came from. We found out that the two older daughters were born in New York. Somewhere. The two younger daughters in "Ohio" -- somewhere -- thanks to the Census. So. Does anyone have a suggestion about where we can find some filmed newspaper archives for the Cleveland area for 1905? Or any OTHER suggestions? I'm just getting back to family research (my husband died in October) -- and I think I need a jump-start! Besides, Adrienne is writing to me and jiggling my elbow -- she's finding more information from Denmark than I'm finding in Cleveland! Thanks. Warm regards, Karen

We paid for a just-the-facts death notice in 2002, and it was $240. For one day. With one additional NAME (KING see HIATT). Incidentally -- it helps to have someone in your family INSIST that the funeral director SHOW you what they are faxing to the Plain Dealer, BEFORE they do it. We discovered that the first-day death notice had several mistakes -- because the Director did not use MY print-out list, but wrote out his own. I then had to call the PD myself, deal up the chain-of-command in order for them to take MY version -- then pay for it by credit card right then. I suppose we ought to write out our OWN death notices, for inclusion in the envelope with the living will/advanced care directives and life insurance policies. It helps to have a copy of the will in that envelope, too -- and I'm speaking from recent experience. Organization pays. Still -- you get through it, organized or not. Warm regards, Karen in cold and wet Rocky River, suburb of Cleveland, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Mac Suibhne" <maceltic@clover.net> To: <OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: Mary Walsh -- died 1905 -- need help finding death notice I know this is true in my family, when the husband died first he was younger meaning he died in his 40s, or 50s. His wife took care of the obit probably because more people knew him, family, friends, co-workers. By the time the wife died at a ripe old age the children felt that everyone she knew had already passed on so no obit was taken out. I have obits for many of my family men but very few for my family women. My grandma just died in April and my mom said 'no' to the funeral director as far as an obit went, Grandma was widowed 20 years and at 89 outlived all but one of her siblings. I convinced my mom it was only right to put it in the paper but even today a small obit in the Plain Dealer is $100.00 Cindy maceltic@clover.net -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hiatt [mailto:Karen@HiattFamily.com] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:48 PM To: OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Mary Walsh -- died 1905 -- need help finding death notice Hello, List -- I found the tombstone for my great-great grandparents, Patrick and Mary Walsh at St. John's Cemetery on Woodland in Cleveland. Her dates: 1832 to 1905. Patrick Walsh: 1826 to 1897 (but for him, we have a death notice: he lived at 139 Detroit Street; and died 6 July 1897). The Cuyahoga County Archives don't have a death certificate (Dad's list on the cemetery deed shows burial in April, 1905), but she's not in the Cleveland Public Library on-line database, under any of 4 spellings of WALSH. We'd surely like to know her maiden name! All four of their daughters married at St. Malachi's -- and Cousin Adrienne in Denmark got those dates from the Catholic Diocese, and some of the witnesses and priest's names. NOTHING about the parents, nothing about where they came from. We found out that the two older daughters were born in New York. Somewhere. The two younger daughters in "Ohio" -- somewhere -- thanks to the Census. So. Does anyone have a suggestion about where we can find some filmed newspaper archives for the Cleveland area for 1905? Or any OTHER suggestions? I'm just getting back to family research (my husband died in October) -- and I think I need a jump-start! Besides, Adrienne is writing to me and jiggling my elbow -- she's finding more information from Denmark than I'm finding in Cleveland! Thanks. Warm regards, Karen

Hi there-- I have another suggestion. By 1905, death certs were commonly required. If there was no cert at the CC Archives, perhaps she did not die in Cuy Co but in another county. If that were the case, her death would be recorded there. Were there any family in a nearby county that she might have been visiting? Lots of Cleveland Irish wound up in Lorain, for example. In that time period, the mother's maiden name and the name of her parents was often provided, so it is worth pursuing-- even a trip to the Archives yourself to double check. The necrology files are pretty reliable as well and they contain the death notices/obits from the newspaper, so you may be hoping for something that just was not published. And back then, only the barest facts were given-- name & death date of deceased, where the viewing & burial was. Immediate surviving family might be mentioned, deceased relatives were not-- no background on employment or any of the niceties you see today. Judith in Ohio -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hiatt [mailto:Karen@HiattFamily.com] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 3:48 PM To: OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Mary Walsh -- died 1905 -- need help finding death notice Hello, List -- I found the tombstone for my great-great grandparents, Patrick and Mary Walsh at St. John's Cemetery on Woodland in Cleveland. Her dates: 1832 to 1905. Patrick Walsh: 1826 to 1897 (but for him, we have a death notice: he lived at 139 Detroit Street; and died 6 July 1897). The Cuyahoga County Archives don't have a death certificate (Dad's list on the cemetery deed shows burial in April, 1905), but she's not in the Cleveland Public Library on-line database, under any of 4 spellings of WALSH. We'd surely like to know her maiden name! All four of their daughters married at St. Malachi's -- and Cousin Adrienne in Denmark got those dates from the Catholic Diocese, and some of the witnesses and priest's names. NOTHING about the parents, nothing about where they came from. We found out that the two older daughters were born in New York. Somewhere. The two younger daughters in "Ohio" -- somewhere -- thanks to the Census. So. Does anyone have a suggestion about where we can find some filmed newspaper archives for the Cleveland area for 1905? Or any OTHER suggestions? I'm just getting back to family research (my husband died in October) -- and I think I need a jump-start! Besides, Adrienne is writing to me and jiggling my elbow -- she's finding more information from Denmark than I'm finding in Cleveland! Thanks. Warm regards, Karen ______________________________

Karen: You might start by hoping the children born in Ohio were born in Cuyahoga County. You could ask the Archives to search for their birth records if the dates are known or even closely estimated. I have found "maiden" names for mothers on some of these records. Dennis Murphy Murphy's Public House http://www.alltel.net/~dmurphy595/index.html Dedicated to the Irish and German families of Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Hiatt" <Karen@HiattFamily.com> To: <OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: Mary Walsh -- died 1905 -- need help finding death notice Hello, List -- I found the tombstone for my great-great grandparents, Patrick and Mary Walsh at St. John's Cemetery on Woodland in Cleveland. Her dates: 1832 to 1905. Patrick Walsh: 1826 to 1897 (but for him, we have a death notice: he lived at 139 Detroit Street; and died 6 July 1897). The Cuyahoga County Archives don't have a death certificate (Dad's list on the cemetery deed shows burial in April, 1905), but she's not in the Cleveland Public Library on-line database, under any of 4 spellings of WALSH. We'd surely like to know her maiden name! All four of their daughters married at St. Malachi's -- and Cousin Adrienne in Denmark got those dates from the Catholic Diocese, and some of the witnesses and priest's names. NOTHING about the parents, nothing about where they came from. We found out that the two older daughters were born in New York. Somewhere. The two younger daughters in "Ohio" -- somewhere -- thanks to the Census. So. Does anyone have a suggestion about where we can find some filmed newspaper archives for the Cleveland area for 1905? Or any OTHER suggestions? I'm just getting back to family research (my husband died in October) -- and I think I need a jump-start! Besides, Adrienne is writing to me and jiggling my elbow -- she's finding more information from Denmark than I'm finding in Cleveland! Thanks. Warm regards, Karen ______________________________