Dear Janet, Please tell me what films you are using, that is, LDS for example. I am in Virginia and would like to work on Cleveland Irish ancestors if the films are obtainable. My other pocket of Irishmen is Trumbull and Warren County, and of yes, Hamilton County, and if you know of census films for these, or where I can learn of them, grand. Thanks very much. Griff Garland

Heritage Quest now has the census on CD, I think it's 19.00 per CD and it seems to cover all years/areas, some counties are on more than one CD. I have also bought census on microfilm but prefer the CD versions (same copy of the original microfilm, and does not have an index either). Just a suggestion: www.heritagequest.com Gerry Hubacka Glendale, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 6:22 AM Subject: Re: Observations on my census research... > Dear Griff, > I found an index on Ancestry.com that indicated some of my Cleveland Irish > ancestors might be listed on the 1870 census in either the 5th or 7th wards. > Coincidentally, I also saw an ad about the same time for a place which sells > copies of census microfilms at www.censusmicrofilm.com . They have an > online catalog that covers the whole country, but you really need to know > which ward your ancestors lived in (at least for Cleveland) I paid 12.95 > per roll + $4 shipping for the 4 rolls I purchased. They guarantee that > they are sending you "the best copy available" but in places it's almost > impossible to read (of course, that may be true on ALL copies) The entire > 1850 census is on just 2 rolls, so I bought the whole thing. You may find > that for some of the less populated counties that the whole county is on > just 1 or 2 rolls ... in the case of Cuyahoga County there are about 8 or 9 > rolls for the 1870 census and the number increased every year as the > population grew. > > Since I actually bought the microfilms and, therefore, have unlimited time > using them, I offered to do free lookups for other people on this board as I > do my own research. > > I hope this information is helpful to you... Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 8:33 AM > Subject: Re: Observations on my census research... > > > > Dear Janet, Please tell me what films you are using, that is, LDS > for > > example. I am in Virginia and would like to work on Cleveland Irish > ancestors > > if the films are obtainable. My other pocket of Irishmen is Trumbull and > > Warren County, and of yes, Hamilton County, and if you know of census > films > > for these, or where I can learn of them, grand. Thanks very much. > Griff > > Garland > > > > > >

Hi folks, As promised, I've been diligently researching the 1850 and 1870 census films for Cleveland for my Irish ancestors and yours. The going has been a lot slower than I had anticipated for several reasons: the handwriting of the census takers is atrocious and almost illegible; the spelling is often phonetic or not even that (I now see why 'soundex' indexes are so popular), but most disturbing to me is what I am coming to see as an anti-Irish bias. While wading through the 1850 census, I keep coming upon names like "Bridget Irish" or "Kathleen Ireland" and I honestly thought those were their names until I came upon "John Irishman" and it suddenly dawned on me that the census recorders were merely commenting on their national origin and not bothering to record their actual names. Of course, there are many Irish names recorded as well, but curiously, I haven't come upon anyone named "Ludwig German" or "Benjamin Englishman". It's quite an educational experience. For anyone who has asked me to look up their relatives, it will probably take me several weeks to get through the films at the rate I am going ... then maybe I'll tackle the 1880 census or do some more wards on the 1870. -- Janet

Janet, I am looking for "Hopkins" family members in both census records.Thank you in advance. Alice Gillihan [email protected]

Janet, any help on finding the surnames KEMMETT or McCLINTOCK on the 1850 census would be a blessing. Thanks. rich kemmett

Hi Janet I am looking for Surname-- Widdows, Pelow, and Richard and Sarah Allen 1870 census. What a great offer!! Thank you Sharon

Hi Janet, Is there anything listed in the 1870 census for a Patrick and Ellen Mahon. The came here in 1863 from Ireland? Thanks for any help you can give me. Sincerely, Judy Woods

Dear Janet, How generous of you to offer to do this..... I am interested in the Kelley name, especially, Felix, John, Catherine..... (Not sure of other family member names) Would you check to see if this family is listed? Thank you, Sharon Kelley Haynes ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:42 PM Subject: 1850 and 1870 censuses > I have just received copies of the 1850 Census for Cuyahoga County and the 1870 census for Cleveland Wards 4-7. I haven't checked them yet for readability, but plan to do that tomorrow. Let me know if anyone wants a lookup ... > > Janet >

Dear Karen, I'm not sure if you got the email I tried sending to you personally, so I thought I'd better post it to the board ... You're in luck! I spent the afternoon Saturday reading through the microfilm for Cleveland's 5th and 7th wards in the 1870 census. I found two Goggins: A listing for John Goggin Age 26 who worked in a marble works and his wife Mary Age 24 whose occupation was listed as "Keeping house" The place of birth for both of them was listed as Ireland. No children were listed. (I think the date of the census was June or July) There was also a listing for Michael Goggin Age 27 A "Pork packer" and Catherine Age 31 "Keeping house" Bridget Age 11 Catherine Age 7 Patrick Age 2 Ellen Age 1 Michael and Catherine were born in Ireland and the children were all born in Ohio. It also indicated that they could not read or write and that the children, Bridget and Catherine were in school. By the way, I found my own great great grandparents and all their children which was a real coup because I had not previously known the names of my great grandfather's siblings. Let me know if I can be of any further help. Janet

Sorry I didn't realize I had to give you names to look up. I'm new at this. I'm researching Fitzgibbon/Fitzgibbons, Maxfield, Gratton, and Hutten during that time period in Cuyahoga County. Reply to [email protected] Thanks!

I'm interested in the census. Reach me at [email protected] Thanks!

Good morning Janet, Thank you for the offer of lookups in the 1850 census of Cuyahoga County. At your convenience could you check for: John McGrotty, wife Ann Smith Stuart their children James and Nancy Ann Stuart's daughter Margaret Ann Stuart Case wife of Samuel Case Thank you!! Mimi Hayes [email protected] Janet wrote: > I have just received copies of the 1850 Census for Cuyahoga County and the 1870 census for Cleveland Wards 4-7. I haven't checked them yet for readability, but plan to do that tomorrow. Let me know if anyone wants a lookup ... > > Janet

I have just received copies of the 1850 Census for Cuyahoga County and the 1870 census for Cleveland Wards 4-7. I haven't checked them yet for readability, but plan to do that tomorrow. Let me know if anyone wants a lookup ... Janet

Dear Janet, Thank you for your offer to do look ups. If you have the time would you look for a John F. Goggin and his wife Mary O'Day (Grandpa Jack may or may not have been born then (he was born Aug. 1870)or any other Cleveland Goggin in the 1870 census? John and Mary would have been in Cleveland only 12-18 months and this may mean that other Goggin family was still there and allow us to find their names. They should be in Ward #5 if I remember correctly. Many Thanks for you kindness, Karen Goggin List Admin. "Janet" at <[email protected]> wrote: > >I have just received copies of the 1850 Census for Cuyahoga County and the >1870 census for Cleveland Wards 4-7. I haven't checked them yet for >readability, but plan to do that tomorrow. Let me know if anyone wants a >lookup ... > >Janet > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

I subscribed to this mailing list some time ago and there was quite a bit of activity. However, recently I've received nothing. Is the board just quiet, or is there some problem? I am researching the Goldrick family. Specifically, Philip Goldrick (4/28/1860-7/28/1911) who married Alice Mahoney (1/1/1864-6/6/1919) on April 21, 1881 in Cleveland and his parents: Miles Goldrick and Margaret Burns, dates unknown. I had previously thought that it was Philip who emigrated from Ireland to the U.S. but recently found his parents listed in the 1870 census for Cleveland. Can anyone tell me where the 5th and 7th wards were at that time? Or where I can locate that information? Thank you. Janet Goldrick Friend

--part1_26.433d8f4.26262cc1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 04/11/2000 10:02:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PatPischel writes: << he City of Cleveland has an archivist that might be able to help you get some police records. He helped me to get info about a grgrgrandfather,Michael Mulcahy, that was on the fire department in the 1870's. I don't have an e-mail address for him, but he can be contacted at City Hall. Martin Hauserman, Archivist Room 219 City Hall 601 Lakeside Ave. Cleveland, Ohio 44114 216-664-4536 FAX: 216-664-3837 The Sunday Magazine of the Cleveland Plain Dealer recently had an article about Martin and how he was instrumental in "rescuing" hundreds of boxes of old documents, blueprints, etc that were going to be destroyed. Good luck......Pat >> --part1_26.433d8f4.26262cc1_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: [email protected] From: [email protected] Full-name: PatPischel Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:02:48 EDT Subject: Re: SWEENEY families- the connection between the West 76 St. and the South Eu... To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Cindy....The City of Cleveland has an archivist that might be able to help you get some police records. He helped me to get info about a grgrgrandfather,Michael Mulcahy, that was on the fire department in the 1870's. I don't have an e-mail address for him, but he can be contacted at City Hall. Martin Hauserman, Archivist Room 219 City Hall 601 Lakeside Ave. Cleveland, Ohio 44114 216-664-4536 FAX: 216-664-3837 The Sunday Magazine of the Cleveland Plain Dealer recently had an article about Martin and how he was instrumental in "rescuing" hundreds of boxes of old documents, blueprints, etc that were going to be destroyed. Good luck......Pat --part1_26.433d8f4.26262cc1_boundary--

Hello all. Seeing the inquiries about histories of the police dept. in Cleveland makes me wonder if there might be an historical society or book for the fire dept. as well? My g-grandfather was an early firefighter there. Judith in OH -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 10:28 AM Subject: OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-D Digest V00 #42

Just in case someone else is looking for this address Cleveland Police Historical Society Inc. 1300 Ontario Ave. Cleveland Ohio 44113 216-623-5055 Thanks Margaret! Take care, Cindy

Hello to Everyone, I'm still in the pursuit of SWEENEY family. Mine lived both on Parkman off Woodland in 1850-1875 and in South Euclid 1870-1930. I'm trying to make a connection between Michael Sweeney (my family) and the family of Joseph SWEENEY and Catherine Egan. They came from Ireland to Cleveland pre 1870 and brought with them several children James, Nick, William, John F.& Joseph. Son Joesph went on to become a Cleveland Policeman and is shown in the book "History of the Cleveland Police Dept". The family from the beginning lived at 117 Salisbury Ave that I think later became West 76 th and Lorain. I've followed this family until their deaths, all buried at St. Joesph's but have yet to find more then Ireland listed as POB. All the talk about Mayo Irish being in this neighborhood got me thinking perhaps this group came from there also. In the census they share the neighborhood with Gallaghers. I don't think that anyone else is researching this family but if there is I'd love the contact. Also if anyone has the address for Police records-I know I've seen it online could someone send it to me, perhaps Joseph filled out a town location of birth in Ireland on these papers. I'm not sure that info still exists. Has anyone ever contacted the Dept for this kind of records? Any help would be appreciated Thanks, Cindy Mac Suibhne [email protected]

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