Carolyn - Alice was living with William and Theresa Moore at 27 Dartmouth, 41st ward. She was using the name Alice Davis at the time. I believe she was raised by a Davis family, however I have no proof of that at this time, Joanne

Thank you for the information. I will definitely try it again. Good Luck. Lena

I want to second the comments about good service using the Cleveland Diocesan Archives. I have found them willing to go the extra mile to help locate records. The archivist is knowledgeable, interested and helpful. It has been a pleasure to deal with them. I am sorry , Margaret, that your experience was not good. But I would encourage you to try again. I have utilized their resources on more than one occasion with great results. Good luck. Ginny McDermott ----- Original Message ----- From: magton <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 4:07 PM Subject: Re: St. Malachi's records > I had no problem with them at all. I sent them an SASE and a small donation > for postage & copies.....When St. Malachi's could not find my records, they > forwarded it to the Diocese which did a great job of extractions for me. Try > them again. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. E. Potter" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: St. Malachi's records > > > > And let me add to that--Good Luck. I have to say that the Cleveland > > Diocesan Archives is one of the most unresponsive records depository that > I > > have come across. Any Federal agency, including the Social Security > > Administration, has them beat hands down, and that's saying a lot. In my > > view, if they are unable to respond in a timely manner, then they should > > bite the bullet and let somebody come in and film the records so that > > people can have access to them. What is particularly annoying is that our > > Cleveland ancestors, who could ill afford it I'm sure, paid for those > > records as well as the building that they're sitting in, not to mention > the > > "salaries" of the priests, nuns, secretaries--and let's not even talk > about > > the churches, schools, and so forth. > > > > Margaret > > > > > > At 07:21 AM 6/15/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hello All. > > > > > >This is in response to the comment about writing St. Malachi's for old > > >records. You need to write the archives for the Clevelenad Diocese for > the > > >info from all Cleveland parishes. There is a research fee-- I had a > batch > > >of questions for them and the final charge was $10.00. They will check > > >marriages, baptisms within the church. They did not begin retaining > burial > > >records until the end of the last century, unfortunately. Here is their > > >contact info: > > >Diocese of Cleveland - Archives Office > > >Chancery Building > > >1027 Superior Ave. > > >Cleveland OH > > >44114-2503 > > > They will bill you for whatever time they used when they send the > results. > > >Do include a SASE. > > > > > >

I had no problem with them at all. I sent them an SASE and a small donation for postage & copies.....When St. Malachi's could not find my records, they forwarded it to the Diocese which did a great job of extractions for me. Try them again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. E. Potter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:36 PM Subject: Re: St. Malachi's records > And let me add to that--Good Luck. I have to say that the Cleveland > Diocesan Archives is one of the most unresponsive records depository that I > have come across. Any Federal agency, including the Social Security > Administration, has them beat hands down, and that's saying a lot. In my > view, if they are unable to respond in a timely manner, then they should > bite the bullet and let somebody come in and film the records so that > people can have access to them. What is particularly annoying is that our > Cleveland ancestors, who could ill afford it I'm sure, paid for those > records as well as the building that they're sitting in, not to mention the > "salaries" of the priests, nuns, secretaries--and let's not even talk about > the churches, schools, and so forth. > > Margaret > > > At 07:21 AM 6/15/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello All. > > > >This is in response to the comment about writing St. Malachi's for old > >records. You need to write the archives for the Clevelenad Diocese for the > >info from all Cleveland parishes. There is a research fee-- I had a batch > >of questions for them and the final charge was $10.00. They will check > >marriages, baptisms within the church. They did not begin retaining burial > >records until the end of the last century, unfortunately. Here is their > >contact info: > >Diocese of Cleveland - Archives Office > >Chancery Building > >1027 Superior Ave. > >Cleveland OH > >44114-2503 > > They will bill you for whatever time they used when they send the results. > >Do include a SASE. > >

It's a big trip--I live on the East Coast. At 02:48 PM 6/15/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Margaret, >If the service was so poor, why didn't you go to the archives yourself? >Larry Hunt >Pittsburgh, PA

In a message dated 6/15/00 2:40:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Where did your Corcorans/Murphys, etc. live? My Gallaghers were on West 74th Street >> Margaret, John & Catherine Murphy Corcoran and sons, Nicholas, Edward & Matthew lived on West 48 and West 44 off Bridge Ave in 1920's & first half of 1930's. Edward Corcoran married Mary Egan; they were my father & mother-in-law. After Mary's death in 1937, Edward married Agnes Gorman of same neighborhood. Carolyn

Joanne, Don't know of any Gallaghers who lived in Indiana. Do you have an address for the Moore family in 1900 Cleveland? Carolyn

Margaret, If the service was so poor, why didn't you go to the archives yourself? Larry Hunt Pittsburgh, PA

And let me add to that--Good Luck. I have to say that the Cleveland Diocesan Archives is one of the most unresponsive records depository that I have come across. Any Federal agency, including the Social Security Administration, has them beat hands down, and that's saying a lot. In my view, if they are unable to respond in a timely manner, then they should bite the bullet and let somebody come in and film the records so that people can have access to them. What is particularly annoying is that our Cleveland ancestors, who could ill afford it I'm sure, paid for those records as well as the building that they're sitting in, not to mention the "salaries" of the priests, nuns, secretaries--and let's not even talk about the churches, schools, and so forth. Margaret At 07:21 AM 6/15/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Hello All. > >This is in response to the comment about writing St. Malachi's for old >records. You need to write the archives for the Clevelenad Diocese for the >info from all Cleveland parishes. There is a research fee-- I had a batch >of questions for them and the final charge was $10.00. They will check >marriages, baptisms within the church. They did not begin retaining burial >records until the end of the last century, unfortunately. Here is their >contact info: >Diocese of Cleveland - Archives Office >Chancery Building >1027 Superior Ave. >Cleveland OH >44114-2503 > They will bill you for whatever time they used when they send the results. >Do include a SASE.

Carolyn: That would be great--send me whatever you have on Corcorans/Gallaghers if you don't mind sharing it. There are a few of us on the list that are trying to track down the various branches of the Cleveland Gallaghers--no easy task! Although you have my sympathies with Murphy. I'm sorry that I can't be of more help to you, though. I don't know of any immediate connection to Augustus and Catherine--so far. A couple of "magnets" for identifying my branch of the Gallaghers are Msgr. Dan Gallagher of St. James Parish, Lakewood, and the Feighans. People generally know if they're connected to one or the other (or both) of these and if they are, they're probably part of my Gallaghers. Where did your Corcorans/Murphys, etc. live? My Gallaghers were on West 74th Street. If yours were anywhere in that neighborhood, I'll ask my mother (age 92) or my uncle (age 80--lives in North Olmsted) if they have any recollection of them. My mother "went East" when she married in 1933 so she'll only remember those from the early part of the century. Regards, Margaret At 10:49 AM 6/15/2000 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/14/00 12:48:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] >writes: > ><< Welcome to the List. I have one Corcoran connection in my database (which > consists mainly of Gallaghers)--Mary Campbell, daughter of Elizabeth > (Gallagher) Campbell and Unknown Campbell, married a Corcoran (first name > unknown) and had three children: Mary, Margaret and Owen. Elizabeth would > have been born sometime in the 1820s or so, so Mary Campbell was born > somewhere in the late 1840s or early 1850s. >> > >Margaret, > >Thanks for the reply. I have more information on above family because I >always thought they were connected to my husband's Corcoran family, but now I >don't think they are. Will send to you off-list if you want. I also have >much on Gallagher since Jim's uncle Nicholas Corcoran married Elizabeth >Gallagher, daug of Augustus Gallagher & Catherine Dorsey. Don't know if Mary >Campbell Corcoran connects to this Gallagher family. Maybe you do. > >Can't connect the Murphy family you mention. > >Carolyn Corcoran

Carolyn - I am interested in Cleveland Gallaghers. My gdmother was Alice Gallagher b. 1871 in Indiana, parents (unknown) b. somewhere in Ohio. She was in Columbus in 1893 and in Cleveland in 1900 living with Moores. Do you know of any Gallaghers b. in Ohio that were in Indiana in early 1870s and then resided in the Cleveland area? Joanne

Hi Carolyn, I have a couple of Ryan's: Ellen Margaret Ryan, b. Jan. 14, 1876, Cleveland, d. April 27, 1951 in Medina, Ohio, her parents were Peter Ryan and Margaret Wall. She married Michael Joseph Carroll on Sept. 16, 1902, in Cleveland, and they had 4 children: Thomas Joseph, Owen Michael, Margaret Mary, and I think the youngest was Ellen. Any connection to your Ryan's? Gerry Glendale, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 7:03 AM Subject: New Lister > Just signed on June 5 but have had no activity. Is anyone out there? My > surnames on west side of Cleveland are CORCORAN, EGAN, MURPHY, RYAN, BARNES > (BARRON) all from St. Malachi & St Patrick parishes. I've done extensive > research and hope to connect with others. > > Carolyn Corcoran > > > >

While answering the messages I received, my server said "Goodbye" and I lost some of the latter messages. I remember someone talked about St Malachi's records. I have the books mentioned and can do look-ups. They were published by The Greater Cleveland Genealogical Society of which I am a member. Also, St. Malachi's has a very limited staff of (I think) one person. And the records are at the Diocesan Archives. Carolyn

In a message dated 6/14/00 8:43:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << What time frame for Danny Corcorian? My parents had good friends named Danny & Grace. I >> Hi Susan, Thanks for your reply & all the other's I received. Did not mention a "Danny Corcoran" but anyway no connection that I know of. Carolyn Corcoran

Joe, Thanks for the welcome. Don't think your EGAN's connect. Mine are from Mullinahone, Co. Tipperary & I know of no one in the Cleveland Hts. area at the moment. But knowing about research, I know this can change in an instant. Carolyn

In a message dated 6/14/00 12:48:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Welcome to the List. I have one Corcoran connection in my database (which consists mainly of Gallaghers)--Mary Campbell, daughter of Elizabeth (Gallagher) Campbell and Unknown Campbell, married a Corcoran (first name unknown) and had three children: Mary, Margaret and Owen. Elizabeth would have been born sometime in the 1820s or so, so Mary Campbell was born somewhere in the late 1840s or early 1850s. >> Margaret, Thanks for the reply. I have more information on above family because I always thought they were connected to my husband's Corcoran family, but now I don't think they are. Will send to you off-list if you want. I also have much on Gallagher since Jim's uncle Nicholas Corcoran married Elizabeth Gallagher, daug of Augustus Gallagher & Catherine Dorsey. Don't know if Mary Campbell Corcoran connects to this Gallagher family. Maybe you do. Can't connect the Murphy family you mention. Carolyn Corcoran

In a message dated 6/14/00 11:12:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << would your Corcorans have been from the Catholic Parish of Keel, Castlemaine, Co. Kerry on the Dingle Peninsula as I have much on them, my names in Cleveland are Berrys from the Catholic Parish of Kilmeena, Co. Mayo, >> Mary, Glad to hear the Cleveland Irish are out there. First of all want to thank everyone who responded. I feel like I've just heard from neighbors of my husband's family. Have not pinpointed the Ireland origin of CORCORAN. Kind of zeroing in on Co. Waterford. Looking for a Nicholas Corcoran whose son John b 1852 immigrated to Cleveland in 1881. John had a brother Peter who came to Cleve 1880 & lived on Warner Rd in Holy Name Parish. Last June Jim & I drove around Kilmeena Parish in Mayo more than once. Jim golfed at Clew Bay Golf Course. Are you familiar with the area & are your Berrys of the Berry Funeral Home family? Carolyn Corcoran

Hello All. This is in response to the comment about writing St. Malachi's for old records. You need to write the archives for the Clevelenad Diocese for the info from all Cleveland parishes. There is a research fee-- I had a batch of questions for them and the final charge was $10.00. They will check marriages, baptisms within the church. They did not begin retaining burial records until the end of the last century, unfortunately. Here is their contact info: Diocese of Cleveland - Archives Office Chancery Building 1027 Superior Ave. Cleveland OH 44114-2503 They will bill you for whatever time they used when they send the results. Do include a SASE. The Cleveland (or Western Reserve?) Genealogical Soc.-- I forget which-- has also published a pamphlet of early records from St. Malachi. You can purhcase it through them-- still available-- for a few dollars. Or put your query on this list-- some listers own a copy & will do a look up for you. Good hunting. Judith in OH

Hi Carolyn, What time frame for Danny Corcorian? My parents had good friends named Danny & Grace. I think I even have a picture. They would have died probably in the 60's or early 70's. LOL They were all connected to the Cleveland Syndicate and partyed hardy! Happy Hunting! Susan PI (Ward) BEDFORD, BEUCUS, CASPERSON, CHRISTENSEN, HOCH, MAJOR, MORRIS, MICHEL, RETTBERG, WARD

Hi-welcome to the list. Yes I am researching the name Ryan- James and Bridgette (Spelling?) Kirk. They were my G. Grandparents. They lived in the area called the Angle. Children were Sade,Catherine & William. My Grandmother Catherine went by the name of Kitty and married a Frank Ryan. She was born in December 1879, Sade born in 1883. Those are the only dates I have. I have contacted St. Malachi's but they have not responded. Grandmother went to church there as did Aunts,Uncles,etc. Do these have any co-relation or can you give me some tips to getting further ahead. Thanks in advance. Lena