Parnell, Sorry, know of no connection to Corcoran/Culliton. I've seen this family while searching for mine but could not connect. Thanks for responding. Carolyn Corcoran

My second great-grandfather, Timothy " Thady " Berry 1786-1882 of the small island of Inishturk, just off the coast , in Clew Bay , half-way between Newport and Westport, Co. Mayo , not to be confused with the larger island of the same name further out in Clew Bay, along with William Berry were leasing the entire island of Inishturk which consisted of 59 acres from the Marquis of Sligo in 1855, on the island at this time, Thady was renting one of the homes on Inishturk, no land to a Edmund Ryder. Many of Thady and his wife Bridget GRAHAM's 1798-1853, descendants emigrated to Xenia, Greene Co. OH, while many of his brother's and sister's families emigrated to Cleveland, OH. Thady's wife Bridget had several brothers and nephews who emigrated to Brant County, Canada, Xenia, Greene Co, OH, Monmouth, Chicago, and Cameron, IL Thanks, Mary, Jasper, Indiana [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: clare <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: [MAYO] Fw: nolan/chesney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clare > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 6:07 AM > Subject: nolan/chesney > > > hello this morning; i am attempting to locate the exact birthplace in county mayo ireland for my great grandfather,john j nolan who is buried in wolverton cemetary,near drumbo1851-1904 and his wife, mary agnes ryder 1853-1913,both from the westport area of mayo. any ideas would be appreciated. regards clare chesney cambridge ontario

Carolyn Just saw your note. I am looking for some west side Corcoran's in my family. James and Johanna Furlong Culliton had several children, some born Ireland, two in New York, and the rest in Cleveland. Johanna Culliton 1857-1939 married Michael Corcoran born Ireland 1847 died 1919. They had four kids Albert 1883, Robert 1882, Mary 1883 and Rose 1884 who never married died 1985. Other family in Cleve included John and Catherine Culliton Murray , William and Mary Culliton Linehan, Will and Catherine Culliton Kelly who moved to Cleve Hgts. Does any of this sound like a connection?? Parnell Culliton

For the lister who asked, the Cleveland Diocese address is as follows: Diocese of Cleveland - Archives Office Chancery Building 1027 Superior Ave. Cleveland OH 44114-2503 I have written three times and been answered once. Feel free to send a reminder as I did-- that prompted a pleasant response. As someone ppointed out, answering genealogyg questions is NOT their primary business. I am pleased to get any response. There is a fee for their research, depending on how much time they must spend. They send the info & cost for you to pay. I asked about several families. I asked for any information they had regarding christenings, marriages, or burials for these folks. I included names of spouse & children and ADDRESS. The address will help them find the right parish to check. PArish boundaries kept moving with the building of new churches, btw. In response, they sent me all the baptisms for the last name I indicated in the appopriaste parish for a long period. They were able to provide the date of the event, names of parents (which included an heretofore unknown maiden name!) and the nbames of sponsors or witnesses. Remember, these records were for church purposes. Parish records in the UK often do not contain this much! One proviso-- I asked for burial records and they do not keep those until about the turn of the 20th century, so that was a wash out. If you need that, the Western Reserve Hist. SOciety on University Circle has possession of the McGorray Funerl Home records up to the 1930's-- they buried many Cleveland Catholics. You can call ahead & make arrangements to see them. They are spotty but I found some gems there, too. Good hunting! Judith in OH

Judith LOL... I think that is likely what happened.. The rest of the family lived very well.... As we are now aging only one cousins rembers anything about him and he thinks he had a saloon. SUsan << That is one scenario. If the Wards were living in one place and Mr. Ward another at the same time--- could be that ol' demon drink. Judit >>

Thanks for the inside view. This research is frustrating anyway and I have tried to get as much as I can on film thru LDS. Oh well......Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 7:51 AM Subject: Re: My next question... > In a message dated 6/21/00 8:03:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << Unless things have changed, I was very frustrated at the archives. You > can't go get things yourself. There was one worker and a volunteer from a > local genie society. They go get stuff and you wait for it, no matter how > long it takes. You can look through city directories and some books while > you are waiting, but I had limited time. Personally, I would recommend > Fairview Park Library. >> > > I do research at both places & would still recommend the Archives for someone > who had limited time. No, things will not change regarding Archives staff. > You must be patient. Also, there is much to find on the many microfiche of > marriages & probate records, microfilms of the newspaper necrology files, > naturalization records, and, of course, my old standby, City Directories. > For someone with limited time, it is best to at least obtain lots of basic > info. You could always write to the Archives later & ask for a copy of the > original record. > > It's hard to explain how I do research at the Archives but there is a lot of > information to be found while waiting for staff or volunteer to bring you > records. Hope you have a better experience the next time you come to > Cleveland. > > As to Fairview Library, they only have one person, Lisa Davison, who handles > Genealogy. And unless you come very well prepared you will spin your wheels > and find nothing. Also, microfilm readers might all be in use the day & time > you arrive, so you must be prepared for that. > > Carolyn >

I am about to start looking into the records kept by the Catholic Church in Cleveland. Is there an e-mail address for them? I know the date and church (and even the name of the priest) who married my ggrandfather/ggmother. What information would they be able to provide about the families? The groom had a first wife who died apparently not in Cleveland. Would that information be in the records?? Would the church have information on the brides family?? Lots of questions but you can see what I am going for. Do I have to ask specific, single, questions or can I ask the big broad ones? What should I avoid doing? Any answers anyone.

I spoke with a lady at Calvary (where they keep the records for St. Joseph) and she told me that the records for St. Joseph are very poor. There was little information originally recorded. However, saying that, I got the information on the entire plot of the family that I asked about. All I asked about was the one man. Got the purchase information also. Bill in Gig Harbor

May I add: The purpose of a tax-supported county agency does not seem to be understood. Nor the contribution of the LDS microfilming records and efforts of volunteers indexing records for the past 10+ years. On the shelves are indexes of births, deaths, naturalizations which are the works of volunteers. Of course, there are many more volumes to be indexed; but slowly the genealogical community is doing what it can. I think it should be explained that Cuyahoga County is a large metropolitan area and the Archives houses important documents for the Welfare, Criminal Justice, roads, real estate, dog warden, etc. That for genealogy purposes, it is only a small part of their concerns. Secondly, the original records are in such fragile condition, that to allow the public to peruse would be detrimental. That is why we are in debt to the LDS for microfilming. These records are available on very good machines on the ground floor of the archives. Some of which have been purchased with Cuyahoga County tax funds and another contributed in the name of a faithful volunteer. Also, one member is on a well- deserved vacation. There has been an increase in staff over the years, and they are loyal, enthusiastic workers. The genealogical community is very proud of the Archives and the director gives of her own time to the community in presentations and lectures whenever asked. Ingrid Abram Unless things have changed, I was very frustrated at the archives. You can't go get things yourself. There was one worker and a volunteer from a local genie society. They go get stuff and you wait for it, no matter how long it takes. You can look through city directories and some books while you are waiting, but I had limited time. Personally, I would recommend Fairview Park Library. If things have changed at the archives, I would appreciate knowing that! They needed more help over there. Would someone more knowledgeable let us know. Carole Lubbers, Marietta, Ga. researching Willard: Tuscarawas, Stark, Summit, Portage & Henry Counties, Ohio Immel: Burlaswagen, Germany to Holmes Co., Ohio Thomas G. Kemp: Cornwall, Engl. to Dover, Tuscarawas Co., Ohio Paczkowski/Paszkowski/Patzkowski: Prussia to Russia to Marion Co., Kansas Ruth Lloyd b. 1848 Merioneth Co., Wales, Father was John Lloyd b. 1816 Gwyddelwern Joseph Roberts b. 1847 husband of Ruth, can't locate anything for Joseph Dennis Hogan b. 1850 Ireland to Cleveland, Ohio abt. 1870 Mary Ellen Gleason b. 1852 Ireland to Cleveland, wife of Dennis Hogan - > [email protected] writes: > > << Unless things have changed, I was very frustrated at the archives. You > can't go get things yourself. There was one worker and a volunteer from a > local genie society. They go get stuff and you wait for it, no matter how > long it takes. You can look through city directories and some books while > you are waiting, but I had limited time. Personally, I would recommend > Fairview Park Library. >> > > I do research at both places & would still recommend the Archives for someone > who had limited time. No, things will not change regarding Archives staff. > You must be patient. Also, there is much to find on the many microfiche of > marriages & probate records, microfilms of the newspaper necrology files, > naturalization records, and, of course, my old standby, City Directories. > For someone with limited time, it is best to at least obtain lots of basic > info. You could always write to the Archives later & ask for a copy of the > original record. > > It's hard to explain how I do research at the Archives but there is a lot of > information to be found while waiting for staff or volunteer to bring you > records. Hope you have a better experience the next time you come to > Cleveland. > > As to Fairview Library, they only have one person, Lisa Davison, who handles > Genealogy. And unless you come very well prepared you will spin your wheels > and find nothing. Also, microfilm readers might all be in use the day & time > you arrive, so you must be prepared for that. > > Carolyn >

In a message dated 6/21/00 8:03:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Unless things have changed, I was very frustrated at the archives. You can't go get things yourself. There was one worker and a volunteer from a local genie society. They go get stuff and you wait for it, no matter how long it takes. You can look through city directories and some books while you are waiting, but I had limited time. Personally, I would recommend Fairview Park Library. >> I do research at both places & would still recommend the Archives for someone who had limited time. No, things will not change regarding Archives staff. You must be patient. Also, there is much to find on the many microfiche of marriages & probate records, microfilms of the newspaper necrology files, naturalization records, and, of course, my old standby, City Directories. For someone with limited time, it is best to at least obtain lots of basic info. You could always write to the Archives later & ask for a copy of the original record. It's hard to explain how I do research at the Archives but there is a lot of information to be found while waiting for staff or volunteer to bring you records. Hope you have a better experience the next time you come to Cleveland. As to Fairview Library, they only have one person, Lisa Davison, who handles Genealogy. And unless you come very well prepared you will spin your wheels and find nothing. Also, microfilm readers might all be in use the day & time you arrive, so you must be prepared for that. Carolyn

How someone might come to be a pauper..... What years are involved here? SOme of my family started out prosperous in Summit County, then their holdings became smaller & smaller. Come to find out, there were Panics in the 1830's & the 1850"s. Banks printed their own currency. That was not centralized. If the bank went under, all their currency became valueless-- plus they re-called all loans, etc. Many families throughout the country lost their money this way. In the 1850'sw, in OH, with the development of canals, entrepreneurs bought land on speculation, figuring towns & houses would spring up in the vicinty with improved commerce. Good idea, no? When some local banks failed, the speculators' mortgages were called in. Many bought with minimum security. They had to borrow from friends & family to avoid bankruptcy. This happened with my family. That is one scenario. If the Wards were living in one place and Mr. Ward another at the same time--- could be that ol' demon drink. Judith in OH ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 12:00 AM Subject: OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-D Digest V00 #71

Hi Eleanor, How RU:) Still trying to solve the mystery of Thomas WARD. How is wife and children's wound up in a great house in Lakewood and he wound up buried as a pauper, from the Salvation Army House....... the big family reunion is happening in October. Any suggestions???? I am so happy to hear you are back on line, we have missed you . Happy Hunting! Susan PI (Ward) BEDFORD, BEUCUS, CASPERSON, CHRISTENSEN, HOCH, MAJOR, MORRIS, MICHEL, RETTBERG, WARD

Hi Carole and all, The biggest change (and what used take so long) is the earlier marriages are now on film. By the way, I'm no longer watching the wee ones, so if I help check for anything at archives (live 5 minutes away). Eleanor (Cleveland)

This is a good recommendation; however, you can't personally examine the church's records. I wish the church would let LDS film them and make it easier on everyone! Carole in Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 9:12 AM Subject: Re: My next question... > Hi- Either one of those would be about the same depending on the info needed. > I would personally recommend the Archives for a start. That is not too far > from the old Irish neighborhood called the Angle and just less than 5 minutes > from St. Malachi's Church where alot of them attended mass and school. Good > Luck,Lena >

Unless things have changed, I was very frustrated at the archives. You can't go get things yourself. There was one worker and a volunteer from a local genie society. They go get stuff and you wait for it, no matter how long it takes. You can look through city directories and some books while you are waiting, but I had limited time. Personally, I would recommend Fairview Park Library. If things have changed at the archives, I would appreciate knowing that! They needed more help over there. Would someone more knowledgeable let us know. Carole Lubbers, Marietta, Ga. researching Willard: Tuscarawas, Stark, Summit, Portage & Henry Counties, Ohio Immel: Burlaswagen, Germany to Holmes Co., Ohio Thomas G. Kemp: Cornwall, Engl. to Dover, Tuscarawas Co., Ohio Paczkowski/Paszkowski/Patzkowski: Prussia to Russia to Marion Co., Kansas Ruth Lloyd b. 1848 Merioneth Co., Wales, Father was John Lloyd b. 1816 Gwyddelwern Joseph Roberts b. 1847 husband of Ruth, can't locate anything for Joseph Dennis Hogan b. 1850 Ireland to Cleveland, Ohio abt. 1870 Mary Ellen Gleason b. 1852 Ireland to Cleveland, wife of Dennis Hogan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 9:09 AM Subject: My next question... > I will be passing through Cleveland in a few weeks and would like to stop to do a bit of research. My question is: If I only have one day (or part of a day) where would I be able to spend my time most profitably? Should I go to the Cuyahoga County Archives? The Fairview Park Library? Somewhere else? > > Again, thanks for your kind advice, Janet >

On March 29th of this year I called Calvary for 3 grave locations in St Joseph's. A very nice lady told me the records were in deep storage and I would need to send my request by mail. I sent the request the same day. I have yet to hear from them........Is there a particular person there I should speak to or just be quiet and keeping waiting? Terry in CA.

My thanks to those of you who responded to my two queries relating to the Calvary Cemetery and the best place to do some research in the limited time I have available. Since virtually all of my ancestors on both sides of my family came to Cleveland in the mid-1800s, one day probably won't be enough for my research anyway. I think I'll start at the Archives ... especially now that I know that they're close to the West Side Market! I can remember visiting my grandparents in Cleveland as a young girl and accompanying my grandmother on her weekly visits to "the Market" -- is it still a worthwhile place to visit? --Janet

One more factoid about the Cleveland Diocese--- they keep no records about headstones, whether there are any or not. Also, some cemeteries keep records aboiut who paid for the plot, etc. You wil not find that either. Fairview PArk carries Cleveland census records; has a lot of microfilm city directoires from around the country; has the necrology index to Cleeveland deaths from 1880's-1975. They also have Cleve. City Directories & the PD on microfilm. No charge to copy. They are open daily, except for Sundays during the summer. The Archives is open Mon-Fri from 8:40-4:00. They also have the necorlogy file. They also have original records for early Cleveland wills, births, marriages up to 1944, and deaths up to 1908. They also have property records. Since the Archives holds original early records and have limited hours, I would prioritize them. Copies are $.25 each. Both are very helpful and will respond to mail or phone inquiries. Here's a plus for the Archives--- the famed West Side Market is right there-- that's a killer combo day! Judith in OH ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 1:00 AM Subject: OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-D Digest V00 #69

Franklin Boulevard is about 5 minutes south of downtown Cleveland. Street running vertical is 28th st. All near Detroit Superior Bridge and W. 25th st.

I live in another county, but would like to come to Cleveland to visit the Cuyahoga County Archives. When I looked up Franklin on the map, there were several. Could someone tell me where ii is coming from the Western counties? thanks Jean