Try calling the Fairview Park Library in Fairview Park, Oh. They have all the Ward maps. Maybe you can get one of the librarians to look it up for you. Chris Hulsey [email protected]

A while ago I saw a posting from Donald in Fla. requesting information on how to convert an address to a Ward number in Cleveland. I do not know how to do that but the National Archives has a set of fiche that will convert an address into the ED for the 1910 census. Bill

In a message dated 10/25/00 3:12:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Fairview Park Regional Library 21255 Lorain Road Fairfield, OH 44126-2120 Send a SASE and you will get the copies promptly. >> Just to inform everyone that the above address is incorrect. Should be FAIRVIEW PARK, OH 44126. Carolyn

It was with interest that I read the above mail.My grandmother was an O'BRIEN and I tried looking them up.I found a book titled:"IFYOU'RE A WEE BIT IRISH"which traced the IRISH back through JAPHETH,the son of NOAH and back to ADAM,THE RED MAN.If anyone has read this book,I would like their opinion..But in accordance with the title of this E-mail,it would appear that the IRISH are a race apart.Not only does it go back to ADAM,it traces them through the SCYTHIANS (He says the Greeks believed some of their Gods were ancestors of the SCYTHIANS).Down through a Pharoh of Egypt.The COOKS go back through William De BURGO.to William BURK of Galway (1320 AD).This makes an interesting concersation piece regardless of its autheticity.Leo

Dear Ginny I saw your posting about a source for the city directory listings. I have had very good luck with the Cuyahoga County Archives. However, many of the years that I was interested in are too fragile to be photocopied. When you contact the Archives, include your snail mail address so that they can send you the photocopy of the applicable pages. The Archives referred me to the Cleveland Public Library for the edition years that are too fragile to copy. Most unfortunately, the CPL seems to only go so far as to inform me that my request is larger that their limit for that department and they are referring it to the publication section and they will contact me in the near future to inform me of the costs. Then silence. Has happened twice. Will have to contact them and do a little prodding. Here is my contact results with CPL. Subject: Re: Request for copies Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:34:46 -0400 From: "Microform Center" <[email protected]> Organization: Cleveland Public Library To: rnbill <[email protected]> References: 1 Hello Mr. Dalton, Your request is beyond the limits of what the Microform Center is capable of doing. Therefore, we have sent your request to the Photoduplication Department. They will be contacting you with an estimate of the cost. Pete Elwell Microform Center Cleveland Public Library The address for the County Archives is: [email protected] Another very useful source for obituary information in Cleveland is CLENIX. You can order photocopies of obituaries. They are for only a specific time frame though. So far, I have not been billed for any requests. Fairview Park Regional Library 21255 Lorain Road Fairfield, OH 44126-2120 Send a SASE and you will get the copies promptly. The URL for the Cleveland Public Library is www.cpl.org/CLENIX. You search for the name, copy the informaiton and send that information in your request to the Fairview branch. Bill Dalton

The following message was on Roots-L this morning: Thought the people on this list might be interested to see it. Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:29:13 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Are the Irish a Different Race? A while ago, I posted that I watched a program about an African tribe that claimed to be descendants of Jewish priests. That had been disputed and finally proven to be true through the use of DNA testing, specifically the "Y" chromosone that is past on from fathers to sons. Recently I reived this post from another list. I have editted it for space but the source is listed at the top. << DNA providing Genealogy clues http://sightings.com/politics6/irishrace.htm Geneticists Show That Irish Are A Race Apart By Patricia Reaney LONDON (Reuters) - Irish geneticists have used surnames and the male Y chromosome to reconstruct a one thousand year-old genetic map of Ireland that shows the Irish really are a race apart. "When you look at this old genetic geography of Ireland what you find is that in the West (of the country) we are almost exclusively of one type of Y chromosome," Daniel Bradley told Reuters. The Y chromosome is passed down exclusively from father to son. It is a favorite of geneticists because it accentuates differences between populations. Bradley and his colleagues at Trinity College in Dublin examined the Y chromosomes of men with Gaelic surnames in the western-most province of Connaught, and found that 98.3 percent had a group of genes on the Y chromosome known as haplogroup 1. "When you look at Gaelic surnames they are different in frequency of Y chromosome types from non- Gaelic surnames," Bradley said. In a report in the science journal Nature, he and his colleagues said that even within Ireland they found differences. More than 98 percent of men with Gaelic names in western Ireland had haplogroup 1 but numbers dropped drastically on the east of the Emerald Isle. Much further east in Turkey only 1.8 percent of men carry haplogroup 1. "Ireland may tell us something about European diversity because it is on the edge of Europe. Genetic diversity follows geography to some extent," Bradley said. The researchers said there is a gradient of haplogroup 1 across Europe starting at almost zero in the Far East to almost 100 percent in the west of Ireland. One of the most likely explanations for this is that farming, which was invented about 10,000 years ago in the near East and caused a fundamental revolution in the way humans lived, spread over across Europe with time but only arrived in western Ireland about 6,000 years ago. "Ireland has been relatively untouched by this and the other great demographic movements because of its location. That gives us the ability to look at the west and surnames and to get a snapshot of what early European genetics may have been like," Bradley said. >> Mike Mc

Well, guess I didn't make myself clear! No, you can't buy them, but you can order them thru your local LDS and view them at their family history library. After you pay the first rental, $3.40, then you can decide after you have looked through them if you want to place them on indefinite hold and they will stay at your local LDS forever. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "ginnyanne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Genealogy/city directory question > Hi Carole, > > Are you saying I can buy them through LDS? That is what I am interested > in....but did not see them available for sale through LDS when I was hunting > on the web. If I missed something, would you let me know > please....thanks....Ginny > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carole lubbers" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: Genealogy/city directory question > > > > Ginny, you can get them thru LDS. Carole in Georgia > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ginnyanne" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:52 AM > > Subject: Genealogy/city directory question > > > > > > > Dear Ingrid, > > > > > > Your posts sound as though you know quite a bit about doing research in > > > Cleveland. I am very interested in accessing the Cleveland city > > directories > > > for the period 1837-1869. I have tried to find a source to buy the > > > microfilm copies but have not yet succeeded in doing that. I did find > the > > > 1837-1838 directory available for purchase. > > > > > > I am wondering if you have any ideas about where I might be able to find > > > copies. I would like to be able to go through the directories and > locate > > > where my relatives were living and identify who was living near them > year > > by > > > year. > > > > > > If you have any ideas I would appreciate hearing from you. > > > > > > Thanks Ginny McDermott > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Carole, Are you saying I can buy them through LDS? That is what I am interested in....but did not see them available for sale through LDS when I was hunting on the web. If I missed something, would you let me know please....thanks....Ginny ----- Original Message ----- From: "carole lubbers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Genealogy/city directory question > Ginny, you can get them thru LDS. Carole in Georgia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ginnyanne" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:52 AM > Subject: Genealogy/city directory question > > > > Dear Ingrid, > > > > Your posts sound as though you know quite a bit about doing research in > > Cleveland. I am very interested in accessing the Cleveland city > directories > > for the period 1837-1869. I have tried to find a source to buy the > > microfilm copies but have not yet succeeded in doing that. I did find the > > 1837-1838 directory available for purchase. > > > > I am wondering if you have any ideas about where I might be able to find > > copies. I would like to be able to go through the directories and locate > > where my relatives were living and identify who was living near them year > by > > year. > > > > If you have any ideas I would appreciate hearing from you. > > > > Thanks Ginny McDermott > > > > > >

Ginny, you can get them thru LDS. Carole in Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "ginnyanne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:52 AM Subject: Genealogy/city directory question > Dear Ingrid, > > Your posts sound as though you know quite a bit about doing research in > Cleveland. I am very interested in accessing the Cleveland city directories > for the period 1837-1869. I have tried to find a source to buy the > microfilm copies but have not yet succeeded in doing that. I did find the > 1837-1838 directory available for purchase. > > I am wondering if you have any ideas about where I might be able to find > copies. I would like to be able to go through the directories and locate > where my relatives were living and identify who was living near them year by > year. > > If you have any ideas I would appreciate hearing from you. > > Thanks Ginny McDermott >

Dear Ingrid, Your posts sound as though you know quite a bit about doing research in Cleveland. I am very interested in accessing the Cleveland city directories for the period 1837-1869. I have tried to find a source to buy the microfilm copies but have not yet succeeded in doing that. I did find the 1837-1838 directory available for purchase. I am wondering if you have any ideas about where I might be able to find copies. I would like to be able to go through the directories and locate where my relatives were living and identify who was living near them year by year. If you have any ideas I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks Ginny McDermott

Hi Jackie, Sorry, no Hardimans in my line. . . . yet. Regards, Joe Jackie wrote: > > Hi Joe, Do you happen to have any HARDIMANS in your line? My g.grandfather > was Peter Strother Hardiman, b. Sept 1, 1844. two brothers; John and > Patrick. Their sister brought them to New York, abt. 1856 after their > parents died during the p.famine.1847-49. Peter settled in Giles Co. Va. > Patrick married in Wilkes co. to Harriet Harris. I see the name Egan all the > time intermingled with the Hardimans? Just Curious. Thank you. Jackie Over > the hill from San Diego...no rain in site..not yet anyway;). > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph R. Egan <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, October 21, 2000 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: Street address to Ward number > > >Hi Bill, > > > >I can't help you with your Ward question but I thought I would pass > >something on to you. > > > >I was looking for a relative in the 1900 US Census who lived in > >Cleveland. I could not find him in the Index. I looked in the > >Cleveland City Directory for people who lived on the same street as my > >relative. I then took that list and checked the Index. I found the > >first person on my list and copied the Enumeration District Number from > >the index. I then went into the actual census sheets and found my > >relative. For some reason, he was in the Census but not the Index. > >Usually City Directories have a section the lists the street names with > >the people living on the street. I can't remember if Cleveland was set > >up that way, but look for it. > > > >If you try this technique, pick someone who's address on Grove St. is > >close to 18 Grove St. AND is an even number. I had picked someone who > >was on the other side of the street and the Enumeration District > >dividing line ran down the center of the street. I wound up looking at > >the wrong ED, until it dawned on me that all the homes listed on the > >street were odd numbers. I needed even numbers. > > > >Good Luck! > > > >Joe Egan > >San Diego > > > >rnbill wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone have the capability, or knowledge of where to go, to convert > >> a street address to enough information to take a look on the 1900 > >> census? I guess what is needed here is the Ward number. > >> > >> I am looking for an Alexander Brock and his wife Margaret or Maggie > >> Crowley. > >> > >> In the 1900 Cleveland City Directory, their address is "n 18 Grove". > >> Extremely helpful, no? They are not listed in the Soundex for 1900. > >> > >> There will be other addresses that I will want to convert into Ward > >> numbers as I get them, so a source would be extremely helpful in my > >> search for the information that I need to move forward (backwards??) on > >> the Crowley line. > >> > >> Thanks for any help that someone can give me. > >> > >> Bill Dalton > > > >

Hi Joe, Do you happen to have any HARDIMANS in your line? My g.grandfather was Peter Strother Hardiman, b. Sept 1, 1844. two brothers; John and Patrick. Their sister brought them to New York, abt. 1856 after their parents died during the p.famine.1847-49. Peter settled in Giles Co. Va. Patrick married in Wilkes co. to Harriet Harris. I see the name Egan all the time intermingled with the Hardimans? Just Curious. Thank you. Jackie Over the hill from San Diego...no rain in site..not yet anyway;). -----Original Message----- From: Joseph R. Egan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, October 21, 2000 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Street address to Ward number >Hi Bill, > >I can't help you with your Ward question but I thought I would pass >something on to you. > >I was looking for a relative in the 1900 US Census who lived in >Cleveland. I could not find him in the Index. I looked in the >Cleveland City Directory for people who lived on the same street as my >relative. I then took that list and checked the Index. I found the >first person on my list and copied the Enumeration District Number from >the index. I then went into the actual census sheets and found my >relative. For some reason, he was in the Census but not the Index. >Usually City Directories have a section the lists the street names with >the people living on the street. I can't remember if Cleveland was set >up that way, but look for it. > >If you try this technique, pick someone who's address on Grove St. is >close to 18 Grove St. AND is an even number. I had picked someone who >was on the other side of the street and the Enumeration District >dividing line ran down the center of the street. I wound up looking at >the wrong ED, until it dawned on me that all the homes listed on the >street were odd numbers. I needed even numbers. > >Good Luck! > >Joe Egan >San Diego > >rnbill wrote: >> >> Does anyone have the capability, or knowledge of where to go, to convert >> a street address to enough information to take a look on the 1900 >> census? I guess what is needed here is the Ward number. >> >> I am looking for an Alexander Brock and his wife Margaret or Maggie >> Crowley. >> >> In the 1900 Cleveland City Directory, their address is "n 18 Grove". >> Extremely helpful, no? They are not listed in the Soundex for 1900. >> >> There will be other addresses that I will want to convert into Ward >> numbers as I get them, so a source would be extremely helpful in my >> search for the information that I need to move forward (backwards??) on >> the Crowley line. >> >> Thanks for any help that someone can give me. >> >> Bill Dalton > >

Hi Bill, I can't help you with your Ward question but I thought I would pass something on to you. I was looking for a relative in the 1900 US Census who lived in Cleveland. I could not find him in the Index. I looked in the Cleveland City Directory for people who lived on the same street as my relative. I then took that list and checked the Index. I found the first person on my list and copied the Enumeration District Number from the index. I then went into the actual census sheets and found my relative. For some reason, he was in the Census but not the Index. Usually City Directories have a section the lists the street names with the people living on the street. I can't remember if Cleveland was set up that way, but look for it. If you try this technique, pick someone who's address on Grove St. is close to 18 Grove St. AND is an even number. I had picked someone who was on the other side of the street and the Enumeration District dividing line ran down the center of the street. I wound up looking at the wrong ED, until it dawned on me that all the homes listed on the street were odd numbers. I needed even numbers. Good Luck! Joe Egan San Diego rnbill wrote: > > Does anyone have the capability, or knowledge of where to go, to convert > a street address to enough information to take a look on the 1900 > census? I guess what is needed here is the Ward number. > > I am looking for an Alexander Brock and his wife Margaret or Maggie > Crowley. > > In the 1900 Cleveland City Directory, their address is "n 18 Grove". > Extremely helpful, no? They are not listed in the Soundex for 1900. > > There will be other addresses that I will want to convert into Ward > numbers as I get them, so a source would be extremely helpful in my > search for the information that I need to move forward (backwards??) on > the Crowley line. > > Thanks for any help that someone can give me. > > Bill Dalton

The check should be made out to CAGG-Preservation Fund or they can be made out to CAGG with Preservation Fund written in the Memo section. Then we can send the person a letter thanking them for their gift so that they can have a tax deduction it the wish to. Checks can be sent to: ATTN: Judy Cetina Cuyahoga County Archives 2905 Franklin Boulevard Cleveland, OH 44113 Thank you so much for helping preserve history and the vital records of Cuyahoga County. Ingrid Abram Bay Village, Ohio Subject: CAGG Preservation Fund > Where do we send a donation? To anyone's attention? > > Alice >

Where do we send a donation? To anyone's attention? Alice

Does anyone have the capability, or knowledge of where to go, to convert a street address to enough information to take a look on the 1900 census? I guess what is needed here is the Ward number. I am looking for an Alexander Brock and his wife Margaret or Maggie Crowley. In the 1900 Cleveland City Directory, their address is "n 18 Grove". Extremely helpful, no? They are not listed in the Soundex for 1900. There will be other addresses that I will want to convert into Ward numbers as I get them, so a source would be extremely helpful in my search for the information that I need to move forward (backwards??) on the Crowley line. Thanks for any help that someone can give me. Bill Dalton

Dear Janet, No answer re newspapers but did I send you the list of Goldrick's in the 1895 City Directory? If not, I will. Also, I talked to your cousin, Paul Hartman, Monday night. He is a member of my genealogy group. Carolyn Corcoran

I am researching Peter GOLDRICK who was born in Ireland abt. 1825 and who died in Cleveland May 10, 1886. He served on the Cleveland City Council from the 7th Ward in 1863-64 and from the 5th Ward in 1875-76. In spite of his service on the Council, I am finding surprisingly little information on him. I know that he was active in the Irish community at that time. I've been reading through the Plain Dealer for 1876 (it's fascinating reading) and found a reference to his daughter Mary singing at a St. Patrick's Day celebration and a later reference to his brother, Owen, being appointed to the position of Assessor for the 5th Ward, but very little on Peter. Someone in Cleveland told me that there might have been an Irish newspaper in Cleveland at that time. Can anyone tell me if this is so and what the name of the paper might be? Thanks. Janet in NJ

Hello, Am searching for ancestors of Peter Strother Hardiman, b. Sept 1, 1844, Athlone, Ireland. Two brothers, Patrick, b. 1842, John b. 1839. Their parents; Peter and Mariah/Mary? no maiden name. They were brought to New York, by their sister Mary Hardiman Maguire, abt. 1856. Peter settled in Giles Co. Va. Patrick married Harriet Harris, March 1878, or there abouts...in Wilkes Co. Georgia. Was told his family Or Patrick himself moved to Ohio. Possible Cleveland. Would enjoy hearing from the Hardimans..Hello, any out there. Thank you. Jackie Dee

Ingrid, I am sending a donation today in my invoice envelope. Thanks for letting us know about this need. I am letting the Archives know I am contributing thanks to your notice. I'm sending some new requests also, seems like every time I get info from the Archives it leads to another request <grin> Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingrid Abram" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 6:24 AM Subject: CAGG PRESERVATION FUND > The CAGG Preservation Fund has been established for the purpose of > the preservation of records, documents such as marriage volumes, birth records, etc. > at the Cuyahoga County Archives. Any contribution wil be tax-exempt. > , if > you would be so kind to make a separate check, no matter how small, every > cent or dollar will help to the: > > CAGG-Preservation Fund > > By the way, I will do genealogical research in Cuyahoga County in exchange for > a contribution to this fund. > > Ingrid Abram > > > > > > > >