MaryEllen, etc. Don't forget my line....Parle from County Wexford. Michael Parle born approximately 1865. Died in Cleveland 1901. Married to Cora Hatie....St. John's Cathedral then St. Jerome Parish. Lynne

Thanks for the Irish Rootswebsite for County Cavan. As I am researching SELFRIDGE family that came from there.

I am researching an Owen GOLDRICK or MCGOLDRICK that married a COONEY. I would be interested in sharing what little I have (just a marriages certificate) which I received from a lady who lives in New Milford, NJ. Also interested how your found out that they came from County Cavan? In my SELFRIDGE research they came from County Cavan and are connected to the COONEY's. Thanks

Janet~ After I sent my last message re: Clark (e), I went to our FTM file. There are no Margaret Clark's listed from our Clarke line in Ireland. However, I think Lily was also research Clarke and Parle. Both surname's in my husband's Wexford family but haven't found a connection. Will check the Toledo file. Mary Ellen

Janet~ It might have been me. My husband's maternal grandmother was Anna Clarke (with an E) from Kilmore Quay, townland of Namestown (English spelling) County Wexford. She married John Cleary at St. Patrick's Bridge Ave. The first couple married after the burned church was rebuilt. Was your Margaret Clark (E) from Cavan or ? Anna's brother Bill Clarke also emigrated. There was another family of Clarke's who emigrated to the Toledo area and was in contact with my husband's family throughout the late 1800s and early 1900s. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood Ohio

I believe some time back there was someone on this list who said he/she was researching an Irish Clark(e) family. When my Goldrick family emigrated to the U.S. from Ireland in 1848 there was a woman traveling with them named Margaret Clark. Three Goldrick brothers and the widow and children of a fourth brother ended up in Cleveland in the 1850s-1860s. I recently discovered information that there were also 2 sisters living in Cleveland as late as 1891. I have often suspected that Margaret Clark was a married sister who was accompanying her family to America to meet her husband. The dates of birth for the 4 brothers range from 1823-1833, so I suspect she would have been about the same age. I've tried searching the census for Clark families with a wife named Margaret who came from Ireland but that's getting really tedious! If you think she might fit into your Clark family, please let me know. Thanks for any help or advice... Janet Goldrick Friend

Janet~ I've seen a lot of action re: Caven on the Irish Roots List. Put a message there. IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com is the address, is think! If not, get back to me. Mary Ellen (Maryln61@Aol.Com

I know everyone is very busy with the holidays, but I just broke through my brick wall!! I found information on my Goldrick/McGoldrick family ancestors and that they came from Cavan. At least one of them was in Cleveland as early as 1851 because he was married there. I know most of you had family from Mayo, but I was wondering if anyone is researching Irish families from Cavan? I'd appreciate any insights you may have and would also like to explore possible family connections... Thanks. Janet Goldrick Friend

Hello Jack, Have Hylands from Ballyheane, Castlebar, Mayo James Hyland & Mary (Moran) Marie b. 1887, Ann, Michael, John & James Annie Drews

Yes,.I have a small big toe and I wondered whether something was wrong with me since I was definitely in the minority especially at the beach. I read an article that the short big toe is a sign of royalty. When I told someone that they said that it wasn't true. So interesting to see this subject come up on the Cleveland Irish. I am an on my Irish/Scottish side descendants of James and Ann CAMPBELL MURPHY Ireland and Manhattan NY; Francis and Mary GAVIN GRAHAM Ireland and Manhattan NY; Samuel and Isabelle MCCLATCHEY MCBRIDE, Belfast, Ireland and Manhattan NY and the Bronx NY; David and Mary LIVINGSTON MCBRIDE married in Paisley, Scotland in 1862; David's parents Susannah ROBINSON and James MCBRIDE from Dromora, Belfast Ireland and Mary LIVINGSTON David's MCBRIDE's wife parents John and Sarah TORRENS LIVINGSTON. My sister and my daughter have the same small big toe. Maybe I can find a relative???? in Cleveland as I live in Summit County, OH.

Looking for information on Mabel O'Neill b. 1872/73 -- wondering her maiden name and was she married to THOMAS, pATRICK OR jOHN o'nEILL, SONS OF PAUL AND MARY SCOTT \O'NEILL. IN 1900 SHE AND HER SON WERE LIVING ON CLINTON AVENUE - SON 'S NAME IS CHESTER AND HE WAS BORN IN 1894. SHE STATES ON THE CENSUS THAT SHE WAS BORN IN OHIO, BUT HER FATHER WAS BORN IN THE iSLE OF MANN ALSO NEED INFORMATION ON BERTHA O'NEIL BORN IRELAND, 1863, ARRIVED IN US 1883 SHE WAS ALSO MARRIED TO A THOMAS , PATRICK OR JOHN O'NEILL-- SHE HAD TWO SONS IN THE 1900 CENSUS AND WAS WIDOWED -- SONS ARE EUGENE, AND WILLIS BORN 1891 AND 1886 - THEY LIVED ON MAIN AND ALSO ON WASHINGTON ALSO NEED INFORMATION ON 'RENCY' OR LAWRENCE O'NEIL - OUTSIDE CHANCE HE COULD HAVE BEEN MARRIED TO THE ABOVE -- HE WAS THE SON OF PAUL AND MARY SCOTT O'NEILL - WHO LIVED AT 297 WASHINGTON - MARY RAN A BOARDING HOUSE THERE ---- ALSO JULIA O'NEIL, O'NEILL, O'NEAL WHO OWNED TWO HOMES ON CHURCH STREET AND RAN THEM AS BOARDING HOUSES - 2704 AND 2706 CHURCH ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED THANKS ROSEMARY METRO

Did not receive this. Could someone please forward it to me at Maryln61@Aol.Com? Thanks in advance Mary Ellen Chambers

Cut it out you guys, I have all hammer toes and I can't tell how long any of them are...I guess that is because I was a hard working Irish woman...who wore too many high heels in my day....SMILE Mary Kay Johnsen -----Original Message----- From: Lilly Murphy <lillylakewood@juno.com> To: OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com <OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 19 December 2002 9:20 AM Subject: How long is your second toe? > > > >My big toe is shorter than the next one. Most in my family have a big >toe that is either the same size or smaller than the toe next to it. I >always knew that it was a hereditary thing but didn't dream it had >anything to do with Celtic genes. What about yours and how can this help >in our search for our beginnings? I am forwarding this from another >mailing list I belong to. >Lilly > >Excerpts from an article by Raymond E. Hunter, > >In this article he discussed the fact that in Celtic people the big toe >is the same length as the next toe. He stated:other nationalities the big >toe was much longer than the nest toe. > >They have used this to tract Celtic migration from the central Atlantic >down >through the Carolinas and into Georgia in the 1700. Seems that the Dutch >Boers have this gene from the Celtic Dutch from two thousand years ago. > >Beginning in the 800s BC and lasting through the end of the millennium, a >remarkable people spread from the region of southeastern Germany, part >of Austria, and part of Hungary throughout most of central and Western >Europe. > >Known simply as Celts when the expansion began, they differentiated into >sub-groups as they settled in present-day Spain, Portugal, France, the >British Isles, northern Italy, southern Germany, parts of Scandinavia, >and >even parts of western Russia.. The Celtic people were great warriors and >great artisans; most of the bronze found across the Mediterranean >countries >came from Celtic mines and smelters. They provided many of the fine >stonemasons who built impressive edifices in the Greek and Roman Empires. > >The Celtic people who settled in today's France became known as Gauls. >When >the Romans invaded Gaul in the first century BC, there ensued a titanic >struggle, with the Gauls led by Vercingetorix. The fierce independence of >the Celtic people worked to the disadvantage of Vercingetorix, as he had >to >rely on voluntary support from the independent tribes within Gaul - who >were >as likely to fight each other as they were to fight the common enemy. > >Many of the Gauls fled the region rather than submit to foreign rule; >they >traveled completely across Europe to settle in what is today central >Turkey. >The region became known as Galatia. > >It was in the British Isles that the Celts left their biggest mark. The >first wave of Celts, in the period of about 600 - 400 BC, spread across >the >islands and became known as Gaels. In about 150 BC, a second wave, known >as >Brythons, spread across southern England. It is from the word "Brython" >that >we get the names "Briton," for the people in southern and central >England, >and "Breton," for those who fled the Romans and Anglo-Saxons and settled >in >northern France. > >After nearly a hundred years, the Romans reached the neck of the island, >where Hadrian built the wall known by his name, across approximately the >boundary between present-day Scotland and England. That wall was built as >protection against the Scots (and/or Picts, as the eastern Scots were >sometimes known). But the Romans could not hold the country against the >Scots, the frequently rebellious Britons, and the Gaels in the western >regions, known as Welsh, especially with the new problems of Angles and >Saxons raiding the southeastern coastline. In 410 AD, the Romans left for >good, telling the Britons to "see to their own defenses." > >In subsequent years, the increasing pressure of Anglo-Saxons invasions >from >regions of present-day Germany pushed the Britons into present-day Wales, >southern Scotland, and the Bretonic region of northern France. > >One feature already mentioned that is strongly associated with Celtic >blood >lines is red hair; a great majority of people in the world who have red >hair >will be found to have a Celtic ancestor. But that feature is not uniquely >associated with the Celts, so the spread of Celtic people in such areas >as >present-day Germany and Scandinavia has not been accepted by all >authorities. > >During World War II, a discovery was made that only recently has received >meticulous research. A couple of doctors in medical centers in England >noticed that >there was a feature of Scots and Welsh soldiers wounded in battle that >was >not present with English, Germans, and other nationalities. The former >frequently had a big toe (or great toe) that was the same length as the >next >toe; all others had great toes markedly longer. > >They found that there were burial sites across Britain where the >skeletons >were completely of one ethnic group, such as Celtic burial sites on >islands >along the Scottish northwest coast, and pre-Celtic burial sites in >southern >England. Results from studies of those burial sites showed that to a 95 >probability Celtic remains had a big toe the same length as, or shorter >than, the next toe. > >The Celtic toe has been found in abundance in southern and central >Germany >and across western and central Scandinavia. It has been found in >present-day >descendants of the Dutch Boers who settled in South Africa over a hundred >years ago; the only source of that gene is from the Celtic Dutch of two >thousand years ago. It could be used to map the Scottish migration route >from the central Atlantic down through the Carolinas and into Georgia in >the >1700s. > >None of which can detract from the growing appreciation of a people who >had >an enormous influence on European history, and whose traits of fierce >independence, unparalleled military prowess and courage, and love of >education, science, and the arts continue to wield a powerful influence >on >present-day world civilization. > >Raymond Hunter > >2739 Freeman Road > >Royston, GA 30662 > > > >Oe to a toe: > >If yo feets is all misshapen don't despair fo it can be taken > >that youse from a different race even tho you can' t see it in yo face > >Don't give yoself some extra welts > >yo may be descended from those fightin Celts!! >_______________________________________________________ > >Diana Keener >Fort Worth, TX >Researching GASKO/WUNSCHEL > >Diana and Ginger (canine in charge) > >________________________________________________________________ >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today >Only $9.95 per month! >Visit www.juno.com > >

I studied sports medicine @ Ohio University & they are still referred to as Greek & Egyptian today. It is also a biomechanical advantage to have the 2nd toe longer. . .so if have fast runners/athletes in your family, start checking toes : ) Thanks Diana for that fascinating article. Kathy DeCredico ----- Original Message ----- From: riton To: OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: RE: How long is your second toe? My second toe is also smaller than my big toe but my wife, who came from a family of Sephardic Jews has a longer second toe. She was born in France where they call the phenomenon "pied grec" - Greek foot. Given her family was from Salonica that fits. My ancestors on my father's side were from Ireland but on my mother's side they were Ukranian/German. The French call my foot "pied egyptien" - Egyptian foot. There is also what the French call a "pied carre" or square foot where all the toes are even. According to studies the Greek foot occurs 20% of the time, the square 30% and Egyptian 50%. Dick Conoboy -----Original Message----- From: Lilly Murphy [mailto:lillylakewood@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:14 AM To: OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: How long is your second toe? My big toe is shorter than the next one. Most in my family have a big toe that is either the same size or smaller than the toe next to it. I always knew that it was a hereditary thing but didn't dream it had anything to do with Celtic genes. What about yours and how can this help in our search for our beginnings? I am forwarding this from another mailing list I belong to. Lilly Excerpts from an article by Raymond E. Hunter, In this article he discussed the fact that in Celtic people the big toe is the same length as the next toe. He stated:other nationalities the big toe was much longer than the nest toe. They have used this to tract Celtic migration from the central Atlantic down through the Carolinas and into Georgia in the 1700. Seems that the Dutch Boers have this gene from the Celtic Dutch from two thousand years ago. Beginning in the 800s BC and lasting through the end of the millennium, a remarkable people spread from the region of southeastern Germany, part of Austria, and part of Hungary throughout most of central and Western Europe. Known simply as Celts when the expansion began, they differentiated into sub-groups as they settled in present-day Spain, Portugal, France, the British Isles, northern Italy, southern Germany, parts of Scandinavia, and even parts of western Russia.. The Celtic people were great warriors and great artisans; most of the bronze found across the Mediterranean countries came from Celtic mines and smelters. They provided many of the fine stonemasons who built impressive edifices in the Greek and Roman Empires. The Celtic people who settled in today's France became known as Gauls. When the Romans invaded Gaul in the first century BC, there ensued a titanic struggle, with the Gauls led by Vercingetorix. The fierce independence of the Celtic people worked to the disadvantage of Vercingetorix, as he had to rely on voluntary support from the independent tribes within Gaul - who were as likely to fight each other as they were to fight the common enemy. Many of the Gauls fled the region rather than submit to foreign rule; they traveled completely across Europe to settle in what is today central Turkey. The region became known as Galatia. It was in the British Isles that the Celts left their biggest mark. The first wave of Celts, in the period of about 600 - 400 BC, spread across the islands and became known as Gaels. In about 150 BC, a second wave, known as Brythons, spread across southern England. It is from the word "Brython" that we get the names "Briton," for the people in southern and central England, and "Breton," for those who fled the Romans and Anglo-Saxons and settled in northern France. After nearly a hundred years, the Romans reached the neck of the island, where Hadrian built the wall known by his name, across approximately the boundary between present-day Scotland and England. That wall was built as protection against the Scots (and/or Picts, as the eastern Scots were sometimes known). But the Romans could not hold the country against the Scots, the frequently rebellious Britons, and the Gaels in the western regions, known as Welsh, especially with the new problems of Angles and Saxons raiding the southeastern coastline. In 410 AD, the Romans left for good, telling the Britons to "see to their own defenses." In subsequent years, the increasing pressure of Anglo-Saxons invasions from regions of present-day Germany pushed the Britons into present-day Wales, southern Scotland, and the Bretonic region of northern France. One feature already mentioned that is strongly associated with Celtic blood lines is red hair; a great majority of people in the world who have red hair will be found to have a Celtic ancestor. But that feature is not uniquely associated with the Celts, so the spread of Celtic people in such areas as present-day Germany and Scandinavia has not been accepted by all authorities. During World War II, a discovery was made that only recently has received meticulous research. A couple of doctors in medical centers in England noticed that there was a feature of Scots and Welsh soldiers wounded in battle that was not present with English, Germans, and other nationalities. The former frequently had a big toe (or great toe) that was the same length as the next toe; all others had great toes markedly longer. They found that there were burial sites across Britain where the skeletons were completely of one ethnic group, such as Celtic burial sites on islands along the Scottish northwest coast, and pre-Celtic burial sites in southern England. Results from studies of those burial sites showed that to a 95 probability Celtic remains had a big toe the same length as, or shorter than, the next toe. The Celtic toe has been found in abundance in southern and central Germany and across western and central Scandinavia. It has been found in present-day descendants of the Dutch Boers who settled in South Africa over a hundred years ago; the only source of that gene is from the Celtic Dutch of two thousand years ago. It could be used to map the Scottish migration route from the central Atlantic down through the Carolinas and into Georgia in the 1700s. None of which can detract from the growing appreciation of a people who had an enormous influence on European history, and whose traits of fierce independence, unparalleled military prowess and courage, and love of education, science, and the arts continue to wield a powerful influence on present-day world civilization. Raymond Hunter 2739 Freeman Road Royston, GA 30662 Oe to a toe: If yo feets is all misshapen don't despair fo it can be taken that youse from a different race even tho you can' t see it in yo face Don't give yoself some extra welts yo may be descended from those fightin Celts!! _______________________________________________________ Diana Keener Fort Worth, TX Researching GASKO/WUNSCHEL Diana and Ginger (canine in charge) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

My big toe is shorter than the next one. Most in my family have a big toe that is either the same size or smaller than the toe next to it. I always knew that it was a hereditary thing but didn't dream it had anything to do with Celtic genes. What about yours and how can this help in our search for our beginnings? I am forwarding this from another mailing list I belong to. Lilly Excerpts from an article by Raymond E. Hunter, In this article he discussed the fact that in Celtic people the big toe is the same length as the next toe. He stated:other nationalities the big toe was much longer than the nest toe. They have used this to tract Celtic migration from the central Atlantic down through the Carolinas and into Georgia in the 1700. Seems that the Dutch Boers have this gene from the Celtic Dutch from two thousand years ago. Beginning in the 800s BC and lasting through the end of the millennium, a remarkable people spread from the region of southeastern Germany, part of Austria, and part of Hungary throughout most of central and Western Europe. Known simply as Celts when the expansion began, they differentiated into sub-groups as they settled in present-day Spain, Portugal, France, the British Isles, northern Italy, southern Germany, parts of Scandinavia, and even parts of western Russia.. The Celtic people were great warriors and great artisans; most of the bronze found across the Mediterranean countries came from Celtic mines and smelters. They provided many of the fine stonemasons who built impressive edifices in the Greek and Roman Empires. The Celtic people who settled in today's France became known as Gauls. When the Romans invaded Gaul in the first century BC, there ensued a titanic struggle, with the Gauls led by Vercingetorix. The fierce independence of the Celtic people worked to the disadvantage of Vercingetorix, as he had to rely on voluntary support from the independent tribes within Gaul - who were as likely to fight each other as they were to fight the common enemy. Many of the Gauls fled the region rather than submit to foreign rule; they traveled completely across Europe to settle in what is today central Turkey. The region became known as Galatia. It was in the British Isles that the Celts left their biggest mark. The first wave of Celts, in the period of about 600 - 400 BC, spread across the islands and became known as Gaels. In about 150 BC, a second wave, known as Brythons, spread across southern England. It is from the word "Brython" that we get the names "Briton," for the people in southern and central England, and "Breton," for those who fled the Romans and Anglo-Saxons and settled in northern France. After nearly a hundred years, the Romans reached the neck of the island, where Hadrian built the wall known by his name, across approximately the boundary between present-day Scotland and England. That wall was built as protection against the Scots (and/or Picts, as the eastern Scots were sometimes known). But the Romans could not hold the country against the Scots, the frequently rebellious Britons, and the Gaels in the western regions, known as Welsh, especially with the new problems of Angles and Saxons raiding the southeastern coastline. In 410 AD, the Romans left for good, telling the Britons to "see to their own defenses." In subsequent years, the increasing pressure of Anglo-Saxons invasions from regions of present-day Germany pushed the Britons into present-day Wales, southern Scotland, and the Bretonic region of northern France. One feature already mentioned that is strongly associated with Celtic blood lines is red hair; a great majority of people in the world who have red hair will be found to have a Celtic ancestor. But that feature is not uniquely associated with the Celts, so the spread of Celtic people in such areas as present-day Germany and Scandinavia has not been accepted by all authorities. During World War II, a discovery was made that only recently has received meticulous research. A couple of doctors in medical centers in England noticed that there was a feature of Scots and Welsh soldiers wounded in battle that was not present with English, Germans, and other nationalities. The former frequently had a big toe (or great toe) that was the same length as the next toe; all others had great toes markedly longer. They found that there were burial sites across Britain where the skeletons were completely of one ethnic group, such as Celtic burial sites on islands along the Scottish northwest coast, and pre-Celtic burial sites in southern England. Results from studies of those burial sites showed that to a 95 probability Celtic remains had a big toe the same length as, or shorter than, the next toe. The Celtic toe has been found in abundance in southern and central Germany and across western and central Scandinavia. It has been found in present-day descendants of the Dutch Boers who settled in South Africa over a hundred years ago; the only source of that gene is from the Celtic Dutch of two thousand years ago. It could be used to map the Scottish migration route from the central Atlantic down through the Carolinas and into Georgia in the 1700s. None of which can detract from the growing appreciation of a people who had an enormous influence on European history, and whose traits of fierce independence, unparalleled military prowess and courage, and love of education, science, and the arts continue to wield a powerful influence on present-day world civilization. Raymond Hunter 2739 Freeman Road Royston, GA 30662 Oe to a toe: If yo feets is all misshapen don't despair fo it can be taken that youse from a different race even tho you can' t see it in yo face Don't give yoself some extra welts yo may be descended from those fightin Celts!! _______________________________________________________ Diana Keener Fort Worth, TX Researching GASKO/WUNSCHEL Diana and Ginger (canine in charge) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

My second toe is also smaller than my big toe but my wife, who came from a family of Sephardic Jews has a longer second toe. She was born in France where they call the phenomenon "pied grec" - Greek foot. Given her family was from Salonica that fits. My ancestors on my father's side were from Ireland but on my mother's side they were Ukranian/German. The French call my foot "pied egyptien" - Egyptian foot. There is also what the French call a "pied carre" or square foot where all the toes are even. According to studies the Greek foot occurs 20% of the time, the square 30% and Egyptian 50%. Dick Conoboy -----Original Message----- From: Lilly Murphy [mailto:lillylakewood@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:14 AM To: OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: How long is your second toe? My big toe is shorter than the next one. Most in my family have a big toe that is either the same size or smaller than the toe next to it. I always knew that it was a hereditary thing but didn't dream it had anything to do with Celtic genes. What about yours and how can this help in our search for our beginnings? I am forwarding this from another mailing list I belong to. Lilly Excerpts from an article by Raymond E. Hunter, In this article he discussed the fact that in Celtic people the big toe is the same length as the next toe. He stated:other nationalities the big toe was much longer than the nest toe. They have used this to tract Celtic migration from the central Atlantic down through the Carolinas and into Georgia in the 1700. Seems that the Dutch Boers have this gene from the Celtic Dutch from two thousand years ago. Beginning in the 800s BC and lasting through the end of the millennium, a remarkable people spread from the region of southeastern Germany, part of Austria, and part of Hungary throughout most of central and Western Europe. Known simply as Celts when the expansion began, they differentiated into sub-groups as they settled in present-day Spain, Portugal, France, the British Isles, northern Italy, southern Germany, parts of Scandinavia, and even parts of western Russia.. The Celtic people were great warriors and great artisans; most of the bronze found across the Mediterranean countries came from Celtic mines and smelters. They provided many of the fine stonemasons who built impressive edifices in the Greek and Roman Empires. The Celtic people who settled in today's France became known as Gauls. When the Romans invaded Gaul in the first century BC, there ensued a titanic struggle, with the Gauls led by Vercingetorix. The fierce independence of the Celtic people worked to the disadvantage of Vercingetorix, as he had to rely on voluntary support from the independent tribes within Gaul - who were as likely to fight each other as they were to fight the common enemy. Many of the Gauls fled the region rather than submit to foreign rule; they traveled completely across Europe to settle in what is today central Turkey. The region became known as Galatia. It was in the British Isles that the Celts left their biggest mark. The first wave of Celts, in the period of about 600 - 400 BC, spread across the islands and became known as Gaels. In about 150 BC, a second wave, known as Brythons, spread across southern England. It is from the word "Brython" that we get the names "Briton," for the people in southern and central England, and "Breton," for those who fled the Romans and Anglo-Saxons and settled in northern France. After nearly a hundred years, the Romans reached the neck of the island, where Hadrian built the wall known by his name, across approximately the boundary between present-day Scotland and England. That wall was built as protection against the Scots (and/or Picts, as the eastern Scots were sometimes known). But the Romans could not hold the country against the Scots, the frequently rebellious Britons, and the Gaels in the western regions, known as Welsh, especially with the new problems of Angles and Saxons raiding the southeastern coastline. In 410 AD, the Romans left for good, telling the Britons to "see to their own defenses." In subsequent years, the increasing pressure of Anglo-Saxons invasions from regions of present-day Germany pushed the Britons into present-day Wales, southern Scotland, and the Bretonic region of northern France. One feature already mentioned that is strongly associated with Celtic blood lines is red hair; a great majority of people in the world who have red hair will be found to have a Celtic ancestor. But that feature is not uniquely associated with the Celts, so the spread of Celtic people in such areas as present-day Germany and Scandinavia has not been accepted by all authorities. During World War II, a discovery was made that only recently has received meticulous research. A couple of doctors in medical centers in England noticed that there was a feature of Scots and Welsh soldiers wounded in battle that was not present with English, Germans, and other nationalities. The former frequently had a big toe (or great toe) that was the same length as the next toe; all others had great toes markedly longer. They found that there were burial sites across Britain where the skeletons were completely of one ethnic group, such as Celtic burial sites on islands along the Scottish northwest coast, and pre-Celtic burial sites in southern England. Results from studies of those burial sites showed that to a 95 probability Celtic remains had a big toe the same length as, or shorter than, the next toe. The Celtic toe has been found in abundance in southern and central Germany and across western and central Scandinavia. It has been found in present-day descendants of the Dutch Boers who settled in South Africa over a hundred years ago; the only source of that gene is from the Celtic Dutch of two thousand years ago. It could be used to map the Scottish migration route from the central Atlantic down through the Carolinas and into Georgia in the 1700s. None of which can detract from the growing appreciation of a people who had an enormous influence on European history, and whose traits of fierce independence, unparalleled military prowess and courage, and love of education, science, and the arts continue to wield a powerful influence on present-day world civilization. Raymond Hunter 2739 Freeman Road Royston, GA 30662 Oe to a toe: If yo feets is all misshapen don't despair fo it can be taken that youse from a different race even tho you can' t see it in yo face Don't give yoself some extra welts yo may be descended from those fightin Celts!! _______________________________________________________ Diana Keener Fort Worth, TX Researching GASKO/WUNSCHEL Diana and Ginger (canine in charge) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

This was nice of you. Printed it - you never know. Annie

Hi Alice, My Gallagher g grandmother's name was Catherine. Her maiden name was Haney - parents Owen Haney & Catherine Cooney. I have pictures of the Haney fellas and know they belonged to my grandfather's group, but I don't know where they lived etc. Annie

Annie, I don't know of a Michael, Anthony or Bower Haney. What was your g. grandmother's first name? Patrick Haney had a daughter Bridget. Alice In a message dated 12/16/2002 2:20:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Alice, > > Do you know of a Michael Haney Sr. &Jr. also Anthony > and Bower Haney? Their on that illusive photo that I have. > > My Gallagher g. grandmother was a Haney. > > Annie >

Mary Ellen, Thank you for your advice. I wish you and yours and indeed all on this group a Happy Christmas and a successful New Year in your research. John Moore